cubedbee said:Then who are the "Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia."? Are they not Christians? Then why does Paul and the other apostles seem to think they are?
You didn't understand the nature of what I said, but we will not get into that....
Please, I have failed to notice you showing which verse uses the word 'immediately'
I have failed to notice which verses say "do not keep the Torah". All I see is a pronouncement of those who are Torah obedient not commanding or pressuring those who are not to Torah obedient and not placing them under a burden by saying they were saved by circumcision.
Find the words "Christians need to keep Kosher". I can certainly find words that definitely mean those exact things--since you have problems with reading comprehension, I will highlight them for you.
No one needs to keep kosher. No one needs to keep the sabbath. No one needs to love anyone.
However, you continue to ignore everything I said and refuse to touch on the points. I do not need you to repeat the 15th chapter of Acts to me. That is not going to do anything. What you "highlighted" I have already addressed. Why repeat it?
I can read very well. Thank you. You didn't highlight Acts 15:21, for instance. That ties everything together.
There's no context here. I'm reading the verses for what they say. I really think your being absurd here. We need to break it down further.
No context here? What? By your own logic there has to be. Since you admittingly said the passage does not verbatum declare "Gentile Christians do not need to keep Torah".
And break what down further? You haven't broken anything down. You just repeated a chapter I've read countless times "highlighted" parts of it I have already addressed.
If you want to break things down further, address the points I have made.
[/quote]I know the exact statement doesn't appear, but which word of the statement do you disagree with and think cannot be supported from the passage?
Gentile Christians need not be circumcised
They don't need to be circumcised. The trouble here is salvation (Acts 15:1). That is why it is not needful. It is an act of faith obedience as it was with Abraham, not a means of salvation.
Also, again, what about Jewish believers? They didn't decide here that they were supposedly not going to keep Torah either. And if there is to be no difference between believers then that whole ordeal in Acts 15 was pointless! As a matter of fact, Paul and the zachanim (elders) disproved any "don't keep Torah" notions in Acts 21 for believing Jews.
Also, you ignored the James subject we were talking about. And you didn't answer my question. Do you keep Torah or do you not?