Protestant countries are richer and less safe, Orthodox countries are safer but less rich: discuss

[Hidden In Him]

Worse over here!
In comparison, the US is doing good.
Europe is finished unless something drastic happens.
I fear for Christianity.

A revival will come and is prophesied to come, but not until genuine Christianity has become largely a thing of the past in this country and true Christian churches are rare. Aside from a few blips on the radar, that appears to be where things are now heading. They are being constantly trained to view traditional Christianity as homophobic, politically and financially corrupt, closed-minded, ignorant etc. And yes, by the looks of it the same thing has worked to perfection in Europe. There are still some turning to Christ, but the culture is not.

 

[miamited]

No. Why would it?

Well, that's the question that I'm asking. You seem to be postulating that the various 'kinds' of believers are what cause the good or bad in a society. And while I agree that nations with christian values may be better off than they are without any christian values, I'm not sure the 'kind' of christian values necessarily has any bearing on the good or bad of a society. That's what I'm picking up from your thread here, but feel free to correct me if that isn't the point you're trying to make. You seem to be clearly trying to make the point that 'orthodox' christianity is better than 'protestant' christianity in how that society in which each seem to be dominant operates.

 

[Eli1+]

Worse over here!
In comparison, the US is doing good.
Europe is finished unless something drastic happens.
I fear for Christianity.

There is nothing to fear because Christ said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christianity.
The world goes through phases that's all, and we as Christians should not have fear or project fear to others.

 

[Hidden In Him]

There is nothing to fear because Christ said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christianity.
The world goes through phases that's all, and we as Christians should not have fear or project fear to others.

I think we are in a long, downward phase; one that is not happening naturally, Eli. It is being deliberately foisted upon us. As stated, I do think a great turn around will come when the Spirit of God is poured out upon His end-time army, but until then I think the decline is and will continue to be steady and precipitous.

 

[GodsGrace]

A revival will come and is prophesied to come, but not until genuine Christianity has become largely a thing of the past in this country and true Christian churches are rare. Aside from a few blips on the radar, that appears to be where things are now heading. They are being constantly trained to view traditional Christianity as homophobic, politically and financially corrupt, closed-minded, ignorant etc. And yes, by the looks of it the same thing has worked to perfection in Europe. There are still some turning to Christ, but the culture is not.

In fact, what you state above is what's happening.
The Catholic churches used to be full when I first moved here.
Of course, everyone went to Mass on Sunday - it was a cultural practice.

Now the churches are practically empty.
Why?
Because only those that really believe will go to Mass...
the rest stay home.
And this is as it should be!

So even my Catholic friends say that the church will get smaller
but more authentic and will be filled only with believers.

And, agreed, all the brainwashing has worked.
You said:
"They are being constantly trained to view traditional Christianity as homophobic, politically and financially corrupt, closed-minded, ignorant etc. And yes, by the looks of it the same thing has worked to perfection in Europe."

Yes sir.

 

[GodsGrace]

There is nothing to fear because Christ said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christianity.
The world goes through phases that's all, and we as Christians should not have fear or project fear to others.

The gates of hell have not prevailed.
But at the end times some will be drawn away by false teachers and demonic doctrine.
Paul said this 2,000 years ago.

There will always be Christians...
but less...
and persecuted...
and murdered....

The nations in Africa, like Rwanda for instance, are never in the news.
Christians are slaughtered while at church.
This happens a lot.
There might be a peace treaty now between them and Congo,,,,
but tribal peoples also persecute Christians that practice their religion.

And in the "civilized" world...we have God being made fun of,
Christians called all sorts of disparaging words and persecuted in the most subtle, but felt, of ways.

Projecting fear to others and being aware of what is happening is good.
Maybe it'll keep everyone awake.
Maybe the other side needs to hear how bad things are.

 

[LanaPodesta]

that people feel safer in Orthodox countries than in Protestant countries

Kids play outside all the time, all hours. Midnight is full of young kids riding their bikes. Midday in the park in UK kids ride bikes...and carry knives.

 

[LanaPodesta]

but it's still a very much more religious country than any in Western Europe....
I'm not very familiar with the Eastern countries.

Then why did you claim the Eastern countries were less Christian than the US?

 

[LanaPodesta]

It's very difficult to stick so strictly to the OP and, of course, she won't know how to steer
the conversation at that young of an age, so I understand why she was complaining that I wasn't
keeping to the OP.

Stop patronising me. YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ HALF OF WHAT I WROTE.

Me: The UK is less than 50% Christian
You: Wrong, the UK is less than 50% Christian

 

[LanaPodesta]

Europe is finished unless something drastic happens.
I fear for Christianity.

I literally named like eight countries that are faaaaaaar more Christian than the US is.

 

[GodsGrace]

I literally named like eight countries that are faaaaaaar more Christian than the US is.

OK Lana.
I'm happy that there are countries more Christian than the US.
I'm not patronizing you...I just didn't realize how young you are.
I think it's great that you're interested in this at your age...most aren't.

We'll meet up again in other threads.

 

[LanaPodesta]

I simply cannot in any way sign off that American culture is being "informed by any Christian denomination" today, Lana.

Then you probably lack the cultural and historical perspective to understand your country is incredibly Protestant. Even the secularism you complain of is itself a symptom of Protestantism. Protestantism was instrumental in the formation of Liberalism, from which secularism sprung. America is agency, individualism, freedom, accountability, hard work, right? That's Protestant culture (regardless of whether or not you even ARE Christian, which no one seems to understand).

 

[LanaPodesta]

I'm happy that there are countries more Christian than the US.

So why when I LISTED them did you say they weren't?

 

[GodsGrace]

So why when I LISTED them did you say they weren't?

If you go back and check, you'll find that I agreed with you in my first or second post.
Also, I listed quite a few countries IN EUROPE that are NOT Christian but are atheist.
They're in Western Europe, which I'm very familiar with.

I did NOT know that you were concentrating on Eastern Europe, which I am NOT very familiar with.

Maybe some stat states that England is 50% Christian (actually it's 46% - so good on your part)
but I was NOT speaking of stats...I was speaking of REALITY.

If you believe 50% of the London you might be living in is Christian,,,
that is fine with me.

I do not have to agree with you.
You post what YOU believe to be true
and I post what I believe to be true.

This is how these forums work.

As you know, since you live in the UK,,,
it's very late.

So I'll say good night now.

 

[LanaPodesta]

You seem to be clearly trying to make the point that 'orthodox' christianity is better than 'protestant' christianity in how that society in which each seem to be dominant operates.

Nope. I said Orthodox countries are SAFER. Please read what I wrote in the OP it's exhausting having to repeat myself.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Also, I listed quite a few countries IN EUROPE that are NOT Christian but are atheist.
They're in Western Europe, which I'm very familiar with.

THEY WEREN'T IN MY LIST SO WHY WOULD YOU MENTION THEM.

Me: Romania, Serbia, Georgia, and Greece are more Christian than the US.
You: Not true, Germany and France are less Christian than the US
Me: I didn't mention Germany or France?

I did NOT know that you were concentrating on Eastern Europe, which I am NOT very familiar with.

I wasn't? I was listing countries in Europe that were more Christian than the US, and you insisted NO countries were more Christian than the US. Which is categorically untrue.

Maybe some stat states that England is 50% Christian

I never claimed at any point England is 50% Christian. I said England is LESS than 50% Christian. Have you actually read ANYTHING I've posted?

If you believe 50% of the London you might be living in is Christian,,,
that is fine with me.

I don't. For the final frog-flipping time I have said the UK is LESS THAN 50% Christian. How many times do I have to say it?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Then you probably lack the cultural and historical perspective to understand your country is incredibly Protestant. Even the secularism you complain of is itself a symptom of Protestantism. Protestantism was instrumental in the formation of Liberalism, from which secularism sprung. America is agency, individualism, freedom, accountability, hard work, right? That's Protestant culture (regardless of whether or not you even ARE Christian, which no one seems to understand).

The Satanism I complained of more so is not a symptom of Protestantism, it's a reaction against it.

Lana, I think you are oversimplifying things to fortify your case, but all the world is not going to boil down to mere distinctions between Orthodoxy and Protestantism. There are forces at work that are an enemy of both, and you are too busy focusing on the factors that divide us rather than the things we have in common, and the fact that we have a common enemy.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Definitely, the US is more Christian than certainly any country in Europe -if this is what you're comparing the US to

This was your claim.

Country	% Identifying as Christian (approx.)
Romania	95%
Poland	87%
Portugal	81%
Italy	80%
Greece	90–95%
Croatia	86%
Moldova	90%+
Ukraine	80–85%

My response.

And, some countries are not on the list you've posted:
FRANCE
GERMANY
SWITZERLAND (which is downright pagan)
AUSTRIA
SPAIN
ENGLAND
SWEDEN
NORWAY

Your response back. I didn't list those countries because I was listing countries that are MORE Christian than US, to debunk your claim below:

Definitely, the US is more Christian than certainly any country in Europe -if this is what you're comparing the US to

 

[LanaPodesta]

The Satanism I complained of more so is not a symptom of Protestantism, it's a reaction against it.

Lana, I think you are oversimplifying things to fortify your case, but all the world is not going to boil down to mere distinctions between Orthodoxy and Protestantism. There are forces at work that are an enemy of both, and you are too busy focusing on the factors that divide us rather than the things we have in common, and the fact that we have a common enemy.

This OP is comparing the benefits of BOTH. I.e Protestant countries have better infrastructure and are richer, but you see more crime, homelessness, drug addiction etc. In Orthodox countries I can play outside at midnight...in the UK now my parents don't EVER let me out of the house by myself; it's too risky. But also they're adamant I learn to drive in the UK, and not an Orthodox country. Does that make sense?

 

[LanaPodesta]

They are being constantly trained to view traditional Christianity as homophobic, politically and financially corrupt, closed-minded, ignorant etc. And yes, by the looks of it the same thing has worked to perfection in Europe

In Tblisi, Georgia, there was an attempt of a pride parade.

The Orthodox faithful burned it down.

Where in the US has that happened?