Protestants celebrate Reformation Day, 31 Oct

[JohnDB]

Do the Baptists in USA, Australia and the Democratic Republic of the Congo represent several different denominations? But there are free-will Baptists, Southern Baptists, Reformed Baptists, Arminian Baptists, Charismatic Baptists, etc, etc.

SBC Baptists are generally speaking the same but not necessarily. The SBC is a convention...not a denomination. There are varying beliefs within the SBC except on core issues. But Lottie Moon within the convention was the old name for international missions funding. (The largest missions program in the US)
So a member of SBC church can be anywhere in the world.

I'm not even sure of what a quarter of the different Baptist Church denominations believe there are so many of them. I can't even keep straight what the different Baptists inside the SBC believe.

Currently in Nashville TN there is such a demand for traditional conservative (small group then service) Churches it's kinda ridiculous.

 

[jasonc]

SBC Baptists are generally speaking the same but not necessarily. The SBC is a convention...not a denomination. There are varying beliefs within the SBC except on core issues. But Lottie Moon within the convention was the old name for international missions funding. (The largest missions program in the US)
So a member of SBC church can be anywhere in the world.

I'm not even sure of what a quarter of the different Baptist Church denominations believe there are so many of them. I can't even keep straight what the different Baptists inside the SBC believe.

Currently in Nashville TN there is such a demand for traditional conservative (small group then service) Churches it's kinda ridiculous.

I could do a thread on the churches in Gifford that nearly are the same and within walking distance.I have four routes where I read these churches.

For example.

The gifford middle route
Mt.Sinai missionary baptist,friendship Baptist, st Peters Baptist church,st.Elizabeth Baptist church,a few others that are independent and nigh unto these.the gifford manor,jail route but up to those and have churches near them as well.I'm not counting the fpl side of Gifford which has several as well as I have been to them.

 

[OzSpen]

SBC Baptists are generally speaking the same but not necessarily. The SBC is a convention...not a denomination. There are varying beliefs within the SBC except on core issues. But Lottie Moon within the convention was the old name for international missions funding. (The largest missions program in the US)
So a member of SBC church can be anywhere in the world.

However, the SBC sometimes acts like a denomination, like its influence in Canada.

Currently in Nashville TN there is such a demand for traditional conservative (small group then service) Churches it's kinda ridiculous.

I can understand that as I (an oldie) have had thrash music & rock 'n roll up to my neck in churches. In addition, I find too many of the contemporary songs from Hillsong, Jesus Culture, etc to have weak or biblically questionable lyrics and the melodies are made for performance by the up-front singing group and not for congregational singing.

The Reformation brought us this profound hymn by Martin Luther, 'A Mighty Fortress is Our God'.

You can get some of my thoughts at:

• Contemporary music in church to the lyrics of spiritual death, and

• What’s wrong with these contemporary Christian music songs?

Alister Begg hit the mark in my view. I'll quit here, before I get wound up.

Oz

 

[jasonc]

However, the SBC sometimes acts like a denomination, like its influence in Canada.



I can understand that as I (an oldie) have had thrash music & rock 'n roll up to my neck in churches. In addition, I find too many of the contemporary songs from Hillsong, Jesus Culture, etc to have weak or biblically questionable lyrics and the melodies are made for performance by the up-front singing group and not for congregational singing.

The Reformation brought us this profound hymn by Martin Luther, 'A Mighty Fortress is Our God'.

You can get some of my thoughts at:

• Contemporary music in church to the lyrics of spiritual death, and

• What’s wrong with these contemporary Christian music songs?

Alister Begg hit the mark in my view. I'll quit here, before I get wound up.

Oz

I haven't listened to him after 98.3 went off the air

 

[OzSpen]

I haven't listened to him after 98.3 went off the air

Jason,

The issue I'm discussing is the light weight fluffy stuff in many/some CCM. I used Alister Begg's preaching as an example of exposing the emotional emphasis in some CCM songs and preaching. I'm not asking whether you've heard Alister Begg lately or not. I gave you a video clip to show the superficiality of some CCM as uncovered by A Begg.

Are we accepting froth and bubble, me-centred Christianity in the songs we sing in church and in small groups? Could this have anything to do with the draining of sound teaching/theology from many sermons today?

I was pleased to celebrate Reformation Day on 31 October because it commemorated a shaking of the church's theology and turned the Christian world around. Some of it was not always good, like Calvin agreeing to the burning of Servetus.

Oz

 

[jasonc]

Jason,

The issue I'm discussing is the light weight fluffy stuff in many/some CCM. I used Alister Begg's preaching as an example of exposing the emotional emphasis in some CCM songs and preaching. I'm not asking whether you've heard Alister Begg lately or not. I gave you a video clip to show the superficiality of some CCM as uncovered by A Begg.

Are we accepting froth and bubble, me-centred Christianity in the songs we sing in church and in small groups? Could this have anything to do with the draining of sound teaching/theology from many sermons today?

I was pleased to celebrate Reformation Day on 31 October because it commemorated a shaking of the church's theology and turned the Christian world around. Some of it was not always good, like Calvin agreeing to the burning of Servetus.

Oz

I have listened to him enough to know his style .he is no longer aired here but I haveNT checked wcno.

I already know about the problem with ccm.

 

[OzSpen]

I'd say that: Independents: 22,000 denominations + Protestants: 9000 denominations +Marginals: 1600 denominations = 32,600 is close enough to 33,000 for the purpose of making my point.

However, I don't find your emphasis to be correct.

 

[Jim Parker]

However, I don't find your emphasis to be correct.

I find it quite appropriate.

 

[brujaq]

I find it quite appropriate.

Jim I admire your knowledge .. Which church is the house of the Lord ?

 

[Jim Parker]

Jim I admire your knowledge .. Which church is the house of the Lord ?

IMHO: Any house which holds to the Creed. (Apostle or Nicene-Constantinople though I think the latter is more accurate)

 

[brujaq]

I didn't know what the Nicene Creed was until this spring, yet I already knew it through the Word . I think a house of the Lord is anywhere Jesus is lifted up through praise, worship, and declaration of the Word in Spirit and Truth. Jesus shares no glory with any one or thing .. He didn't need any help accomplishing what he did for us . He alone is worthy and I know you agree ..

 

[Jim Parker]

I think a house of the Lord is anywhere Jesus is lifted up through praise, worship, and declaration of the Word in Spirit and Truth.

Yes, with emphasis on the presence of the Holy Spirit and the correct teaching of the Truth.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of junk out there that "preaches good" and fills the pews.

He didn't need any help accomplishing what he did for us .

And, to my knowledge, no one is offering Jesus any help.
The Creed isn't to help Jesus; it's to help believers.

iakov the fool

 

[jasonc]

sadly most protestant churches don't teach either creed. I have recited both and many churches may not recite either but have similar statements of faith. go figure.

 

[Jim Parker]

sadly most protestant churches don't teach either creed. I have recited both and many churches may not recite either but have similar statements of faith. go figure.

My experience in the Protestant church was that the pastors, teachers, prophets, evangelists and apostles in the church were content to equip the saints for the work of ministry and edifying of the body of Christ, till they all come to the stature of the maturity of the average (spiritual) toddler. (With a check book!)

I was on the education board at one church I attended where they had discontinued the "New Christian" classes. The overseer of the education board (asst. pastor) told us that they (He and the pastor) wanted "hassle-free Christianity." (And , by great effort, I didn't throw up on him!)

but that's just me

iakov the fool

 

[brujaq]

Yes, with emphasis on the presence of the Holy Spirit and the correct teaching of the Truth.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of junk out there that "preaches good" and fills the pews.

And, to my knowledge, no one is offering Jesus any help.
The Creed isn't to help Jesus; it's to help believers.

iakov the fool

The Nicene Creed is not necessary if you're born again and know the Word, I got by fine for 40 years, as far as I'm concerned I knew it first before I ever read it .. Same thing with what ''preaches good'', you've got to know the Word .. You're right again, the Creed doesn't help Jesus , he is God and needs no one to belly up to the trough to take credit for what he did and does, then, now or ever ..

 

[jasonc]

The Nicene Creed is not necessary if you're born again and know the Word, I got by fine for 40 years, as far as I'm concerned I knew it first before I ever read it .. Same thing with what ''preaches good'', you've got to know the Word .. You're right again, the Creed doesn't help Jesus , he is God and needs no one to belly up to the trough to take credit for what he did and does, then, now or ever ..

yet statements of faith are a reminder and a great one. this sight has one to remind us of false doctrine and to educate those. its a simple creed to state what we belief as tenets. why do some have a problem with these. I come from a jw , non Trinitarian background.

 

[brujaq]

So do you take an oath ?

 

[Jim Parker]

The Nicene Creed is not necessary if you're born again and know the Word,

I would write that statement so: "The Nicene Creed is not necessary IF you're born again and know the Word." (Actually, I would have made the word "if" much bigger but that's a far as we can go here.
I have heard many people who are sure they are born again and claim to know the word because they've been reading it for the past 40 years or so and who are still able to say some really stupid things while assuring me that "It's right there in the BYE-bull."

Too many folks confuse parroting what they heard in church or from their favorite televangelist with "knowing the Bible."

The Creeds had a specific purpose and were written to be a guide to enable people to determine if what they were hearing or reading was truth or heresy. Among those who do not accept the tenets of the Creed are the JWs, the Mormons, Christian Scientists, "Jesus Only" folk, and other non-Christian organizations.

The creed was generated for your benefit, similar to the seat belt in your car. You don't have to wear it if you insist.

iakov the fool

 

[Jim Parker]

So do you take an oath ?

Who are you asking that question?
(I don't see any indicator.)

 

[jasonc]

So do you take an oath ?

Like this?
I swear to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, to obey all lawful orders of the officers appointed over me and to obey the governor of the state of Florida.