Bible Study PT.1 (Advanced believers only) God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.

[Brother Mike]

God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.​

By: Brother Mike

Praise The Lord!! Brother Mike here with some more amazing revelation, handed to those who are seeking to advance and want answers. Of course I had to learn this through experience, and more than once.

A quick story of what this looks like:

I use to Pastor a church. The Lord said leave and move to Branson, MO and go to Keith Moore's Church to prepare myself for bigger things. A few years pass, I learn lots of things.

Now, the Lord asked me to go to healing school and sit in and listen through the week day, and the Lord asked me to be on the Parking team, and grounds team. I was on those teams, and was faithful going to healing school. For about half a year.

Well, and new business opportunity came up, so that had to be the Lord, and a few other things that (LOOKED) great came up, Had to be God promoting me.

Well, that did not leave much time for Parking lot team and Healing school was out of the question. Nobody at church saw my amazing revelation, and did not ask me to preach. After all I am called to be a preacher, not be on some parking lot time, right?

Well, through my business folks who hear God, it came about to go back to my home town and Pastor again. Just pack up and go. That sounded good to me, sounded like the Lord was promoting me again to even greater things.

So, I went back to Champaign, IL, and the former Pastor was glad to have me back and put me right back behind the pulpit. Smooth and easy.

So, I looked for work, studied the Word which I do most the day anyway, and Preached at church again. Sounded like a great set up.

Services where great, had a chance to go to the projects (Hood) and witness there, the Lord did some amazing things, the Lord did some amazing things in church through me preaching, the power was on.

However, at home, the power was not on. No job would hire me, and I did not want to ask money from the church, I only ask God for things.

So I spent the next few months preaching, and falling behind in bills, and wondering what the heck I was going to eat ever day. I felt the devil was attacking, but the Lord was not answering me. Had to have more faith, but I am not sure how, Brother Mike already has lots of faith. I teach faith, and trusting God, what was I missing? Nobody goes broke serving God, and nobody does without.

Well, after the 2nd day of having no food, I just fell on my knee's and said, "I don't see it, I did what you asked, I am preaching again, I am being faithful, I don't get it, I'll hear anything, I just need the answer."

The Lord spoke, (Not a voice, inside) He said, "Ya, and your going to starve staying out of my will year after year. Did I ever mention to you about starting a business? Did I say leave the parking lot team? You claimed I said those things, but you just heard what you wanted to hear."

Wow, I have deceived myself for a very long time here. If you had asked me if God said those things, I would have said Yes. Truth is, I never sought the Lord fully on any of those things. I just went by what "Seemed" right and called it God. I also listened to others.

That next day I heard a message from Keith Moore about leaving your place, and that just confirmed everything. I resigned from teaching at the church, and Went back to Branson, MO that night.

That is what it looks like, and many, many, many believers are in the same position I put myself in. To be honest, I would have sworn it was God giving me all that direction. God was not a part of it, it was things I wanted to hear. WHO wants to hear be faithful on some parking lot team for 10 years? If that is your place though, it's the best and most blessed place to be.

How can it seem that God say something to us, but it's not God, or It's God giving you up to what YOU want to do, until you fall flat on your face and come crawling back for help?

In the next part we will examine this with scriptures.

Mike

 

[Brother Mike]

PT.2 God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.​

By: Brother Mike

Talking on the Phone the other night with my Sister who is in show Biz, working for Disney, I had to listen to all the woes she has racked up through the past few years. She married a guy she should have never married, Her show is not going super stellar, just one thing, then another.

She left the path God had her on, to chase other things. She is convinced God said this, and that, and if that be the case, then things ought to be working out a whole lot better than things are.

Excuses:
She told me her check is the only check that bounced like 3 times. The show owed her 1,000 dollars. Everyone else check cleared. She told Me God was showing her how to stand in faith.

God is showing HER, how to stand in faith. I asked her, "So everyone else that has gotten paid don't need to learn how to stand in faith, correct?"

Silence....................... on the phone..........then a quick change in subjects. She then goes on to say that she Knows God has a word for her that He gave to me.

I do, but I said, what does God want you to do now? She said she is just being led down the path, and knows God wants to give her, Her own show. She said God told her that after this, Shortly after you have endured, a big thing is coming.

I told her what i had to say, she would not receive, so sorry, we might get a chance to talk, but not now.

She left the place God put her to chase after secular things. Nothing wrong with that, but she is not even in Church, learning and being hooked with other believers. Now God said the next big thing, and that is just like the devil wanting you to hang into things that are miserable to make you wait on the next bigger miserable thing he has planed and dress it up as God.

My Sister in Christ is Calling it God by the things she wants. I can't condemn, I am guilty myself. It will cost us though, and nothing I can do for her until the whole thing falls flat. Why don't God just tell her? Let's roll out the scriptures.

Numbers 22:5-
He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which is by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me: Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they are too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, that we may smite them, and that I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest is blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed. And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak. And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the LORD shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam. .
Balaam is sent a messenger named Balak to curse the people of Israel. Balaam hears what they want him to do, and this is where he first blew it big time................ "Stay the Night, I'll go ask God about this and tell you want He has to say." What is God suppose to say? "Go curse em Balaam, get the goods, I don't mind."

This is the start of trouble, and you see it in other people's lives all the time. You don't ever know God will not agree with or like something, and have it hang out with you for the night. This should have been the end of the conversation. If we let these things hang around, stay in our heads, meditate on them, and keep thinking on them, Knowing it's not of God, it's time to cut it off NOW!!!

And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee? And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying, Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out. And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed

What God sounds like:What men are these with thee?
If you have a ski mask, a gun, and a note for the bank teller, and the Lord ask you, "What are you doing at the bank?"
That is not the time to tell God about your amazing plan of getting rich and getting away with it. It's time to repent and say, "I was just leaving Lord, your will be done."

If your going somewhere, and the Lord Ask, "Where are you going?" That is not the time to tell God your great plans and where your going. It's time to stop, and go back.

God does not ask these kinds of question just because he is curious on how your day is going. He is trying to get you to see something on your own to avoid Judgement, and trouble.

And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said unto the princes of Balak, Get you into your land: for the LORD refuseth to give me leave to go with you. And the princes of Moab rose up, and they went unto Balak, and said, Balaam refuseth to come with us. And Balak sent yet again princes, more, and more honourable than they. And they came to Balaam, and said to him, Thus saith Balak the son of Zippor, Let nothing, I pray thee, hinder thee from coming unto me: For I will promote thee unto very great honour, and I will do whatsoever thou sayest unto me: come therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people. And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more. Now therefore, I pray you, tarry ye also here this night, that I may know what the LORD will say unto me more. And God came unto Balaam at night, and said unto him, If the men come to call thee, rise up, and go with them; but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do. And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.
(Num 22:5-21)

Asking God again, and again for the wrong thing.
These guys get up after Balaam gave them the answer, they reinforced themselves with a better pay package and came back. The Lord already said, Don't go with them, but here they are again.

Balaam says to them:
Now therefore, I pray you, tarry ye also here this night, that I may know what the LORD will say unto me more

Thousands get off track right here.

I had one girl sit in tears at my table saying, I know I should not Marry this person the Lord said. She kept asking to make sure that is what the Lord wanted, and one amazing day, the Lord tells her to Marry this guy. How did that change from what the Lord first told her?
The whole thing ended in mess and still is a mess.

I have story, after story from folks seeing something good like a Job promotion and moving away from where God had them, but the Lord told them stay put. Next thing you know, God is telling them it's time to move.

Once we get our answer from the Lord, it's not time to keep asking. I will promise you, you will eventually hear and believe it's God, and possibly destroy your life in the process. God does not change from one day to the next, He said NO, that means NO. He said Go, that Means Go.

Once you think it's God and get off on the wrong path, it's a land of confusion in what is God, and what is not God at this point. You will be lost, not knowing the difference.

The Path of darkness, they stumble, and they know not at what they stumble (Prov 4

Off God's path, it's dark, and it's hard to find your way back to the right path again. Some take years off God's path and go from one place to the next, hoping it's God, and all the while they no longer see they stepped off the path years back. They don't stay long in one place, they are not content, things are not going well.

What Balaam eventually hears what the Lord is saying:
If the men come to call thee, rise up, and go with them; but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do

What did God say from the very start? Don't go with these men.

What is Balaam hearing God say now? Go with them if the come again and call on thee, and just speak what I tell you to speak.

So, Balaam justifies himself, because He can now go, as long as He just speak what God says.

Well, the Lord said i can go, as Long as I witness for him.
The Lord did not want me to stay at that church because they did not appreciate His anointing on me.
The told me to move and take that job, because He wants me to sow more into the Kingdom.
The Lord said Marry them, and be a witness to them so they won't be lost.

3rd Part coming up, if your still awake.

Mike

 

[Brother Mike]

PT.3 God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.​

In the part above, Balaam had just left with the guys form Moab. He heard the Lord said go if they call, and speak only what I say.

How that end up for Balaam?

And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab. And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
(Num 22:21-22)

Now Balaam was pretty sure God said go with them, Scripture even says God said go with them. Some might not understand why God is all honked off at Balaam for going. Well, did you read all of this?

Two things here. God will tell you what you want to hear if you refuse to listen. In Thess he turned some over to a reprobate mind with a delusion of his own so they would not see the truth.

The other, God said if they call, then go. They spent the night and where with Balaam anyway, they did not come back and call, but Balaam still went.

Either way, Balaam caused himself confusion, Chapters of going all over with these guys, setting up alters and wasting tons of time. In the end, it cost Balaam his life.

Being led by circumstances:

So many people are being led by circumstances today, and they only do so to their own hurt. Just because you prayed and prayed all year for a job promotion, and suddenly your job promotion comes that moves you to another place, has nothing to do with the Lord telling you to go get that Job.

Some might say, ya, but I prayed and prayed, and the Job came. Has to be God.

NO, opportunity does not mean it's God, and that is being led by Job's, and not by the Holy Spirit. Even sinners get promotions without praying. Did God tell you to take that job?

I don't know how many I talked to who said the threw open their bible and said, "Lord have it land on the scripture I need."
I have to believe, God has had mercy in these cases, but it's the wrong way to get direction from the Lord. What happens if it flips open to , "And Judas Hung Himself"
You go hang yourself? Or flip the pages again and hope for something better?

Summary:
1) Offense is the number one reason people leave their place. If your leaving and making excuses because of offense, your about to step right out of the will of God.

2) We are not led by natural circumstances. I don't care how long you prayed, and it showed up. That is not being led by the Holy Spirit. You best go ask God first about it, and make sure you have clear direction.

3) Once you have your answer. "Don't marry them." it's not the time to keep asking. Move on, your done. This has cost Balaam his life, and it will cost you your life and peace of mind.

4) If things are not working, no money (Which is normally the first thing to run out) People are not helping as they should, don't get prideful and say the devil is attacking you. The devil can't stop, month after month something God wants to do. Your off the path, and it's time to put your face in the carpet and ask for help.

This has been Brother Mike. Stay focused on your calling, run the race.

Mike

 

[Angel]

PT.2 God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.​

By: Brother Mike

Talking on the Phone the other night with my Sister who is in show Biz, working for Disney, I had to listen to all the woes she has racked up through the past few years. She married a guy she should have never married, Her show is not going super stellar, just one thing, then another.

She left the path God had her on, to chase other things. She is convinced God said this, and that, and if that be the case, then things ought to be working out a whole lot better than things are.

Excuses:
She told me her check is the only check that bounced like 3 times. The show owed her 1,000 dollars. Everyone else check cleared. She told Me God was showing her how to stand in faith.

God is showing HER, how to stand in faith. I asked her, "So everyone else that has gotten paid don't need to learn how to stand in faith, correct?"

Silence....................... on the phone..........then a quick change in subjects. She then goes on to say that she Knows God has a word for her that He gave to me.

I do, but I said, what does God want you to do now? She said she is just being led down the path, and knows God wants to give her, Her own show. She said God told her that after this, Shortly after you have endured, a big thing is coming.

I told her what i had to say, she would not receive, so sorry, we might get a chance to talk, but not now.

She left the place God put her to chase after secular things. Nothing wrong with that, but she is not even in Church, learning and being hooked with other believers. Now God said the next big thing, and that is just like the devil wanting you to hang into things that are miserable to make you wait on the next bigger miserable thing he has planed and dress it up as God.

My Sister in Christ is Calling it God by the things she wants. I can't condemn, I am guilty myself. It will cost us though, and nothing I can do for her until the whole thing falls flat. Why don't God just tell her? Let's roll out the scriptures.

Numbers 22:5-
He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which is by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me: Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they are too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, that we may smite them, and that I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest is blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed. And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak. And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the LORD shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam. .
Balaam is sent a messenger named Balak to curse the people of Israel. Balaam hears what they want him to do, and this is where he first blew it big time................ "Stay the Night, I'll go ask God about this and tell you want He has to say." What is God suppose to say? "Go curse em Balaam, get the goods, I don't mind."

This is the start of trouble, and you see it in other people's lives all the time. You don't ever know God will not agree with or like something, and have it hang out with you for the night. This should have been the end of the conversation. If we let these things hang around, stay in our heads, meditate on them, and keep thinking on them, Knowing it's not of God, it's time to cut it off NOW!!!

And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee? And Balaam said unto God, Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab, hath sent unto me, saying, Behold, there is a people come out of Egypt, which covereth the face of the earth: come now, curse me them; peradventure I shall be able to overcome them, and drive them out. And God said unto Balaam, Thou shalt not go with them; thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed

What God sounds like:What men are these with thee?
If you have a ski mask, a gun, and a note for the bank teller, and the Lord ask you, "What are you doing at the bank?"
That is not the time to tell God about your amazing plan of getting rich and getting away with it. It's time to repent and say, "I was just leaving Lord, your will be done."

If your going somewhere, and the Lord Ask, "Where are you going?" That is not the time to tell God your great plans and where your going. It's time to stop, and go back.

God does not ask these kinds of question just because he is curious on how your day is going. He is trying to get you to see something on your own to avoid Judgement, and trouble.

And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said unto the princes of Balak, Get you into your land: for the LORD refuseth to give me leave to go with you. And the princes of Moab rose up, and they went unto Balak, and said, Balaam refuseth to come with us. And Balak sent yet again princes, more, and more honourable than they. And they came to Balaam, and said to him, Thus saith Balak the son of Zippor, Let nothing, I pray thee, hinder thee from coming unto me: For I will promote thee unto very great honour, and I will do whatsoever thou sayest unto me: come therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people. And Balaam answered and said unto the servants of Balak, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the word of the LORD my God, to do less or more. Now therefore, I pray you, tarry ye also here this night, that I may know what the LORD will say unto me more. And God came unto Balaam at night, and said unto him, If the men come to call thee, rise up, and go with them; but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do. And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.
(Num 22:5-21)

Asking God again, and again for the wrong thing.
These guys get up after Balaam gave them the answer, they reinforced themselves with a better pay package and came back. The Lord already said, Don't go with them, but here they are again.

Balaam says to them:
Now therefore, I pray you, tarry ye also here this night, that I may know what the LORD will say unto me more

Thousands get off track right here.

I had one girl sit in tears at my table saying, I know I should not Marry this person the Lord said. She kept asking to make sure that is what the Lord wanted, and one amazing day, the Lord tells her to Marry this guy. How did that change from what the Lord first told her?
The whole thing ended in mess and still is a mess.

I have story, after story from folks seeing something good like a Job promotion and moving away from where God had them, but the Lord told them stay put. Next thing you know, God is telling them it's time to move.

Once we get our answer from the Lord, it's not time to keep asking. I will promise you, you will eventually hear and believe it's God, and possibly destroy your life in the process. God does not change from one day to the next, He said NO, that means NO. He said Go, that Means Go.

Once you think it's God and get off on the wrong path, it's a land of confusion in what is God, and what is not God at this point. You will be lost, not knowing the difference.

The Path of darkness, they stumble, and they know not at what they stumble (Prov 4

Off God's path, it's dark, and it's hard to find your way back to the right path again. Some take years off God's path and go from one place to the next, hoping it's God, and all the while they no longer see they stepped off the path years back. They don't stay long in one place, they are not content, things are not going well.

What Balaam eventually hears what the Lord is saying:
If the men come to call thee, rise up, and go with them; but yet the word which I shall say unto thee, that shalt thou do

What did God say from the very start? Don't go with these men.

What is Balaam hearing God say now? Go with them if the come again and call on thee, and just speak what I tell you to speak.

So, Balaam justifies himself, because He can now go, as long as He just speak what God says.

Well, the Lord said i can go, as Long as I witness for him.
The Lord did not want me to stay at that church because they did not appreciate His anointing on me.
The told me to move and take that job, because He wants me to sow more into the Kingdom.
The Lord said Marry them, and be a witness to them so they won't be lost.

3rd Part coming up, if your still awake.

Mike

My parents taught me, that when making a big decision, (such as when they sought a house to buy) is to have God's peace about it. If you have peace, then it is from God. If you lose your peace, then you are outta line.

 

[Brother Mike]

My parents taught me, that when making a big decision, (such as when they sought a house to buy) is to have God's peace about it. If you have peace, then it is from God. If you lose your peace, then you are outta line.

Wow, I wish my parents taught me that. Would have saved me a whole lot of trouble and going to prison.

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(Jas 3:17)

If it's God, then he leads us by the peace in our heart. If we have questioning about something, then that is not peace and it's time to stop and continue to seek.

someone telling me they had a dream and it scared them and they think it was God, I can assure them it was the pizza they ate the night before, not God.

We are led by the Holy Spirit mainly through the peace in our heart. It's the main way God speaks to us, to do this, don't do this.
This has saved me lots of trouble in the past, and saved me from trying to weight good and bad in order to make choices. What do i have peace about the most? Follow the peace of the Lord, and he shall direct your path.

Your pretty amazing sister. That blessed me.

Mike

 

[Angel]

Amen

 

[Kenny_ms]

God has never spoken to me that I know of. Take note of the "that I know of" part. I see a lot of preachers behind the pulpit going on about how God told them this and that and rarely, if ever, do I believe a word of it. I think that is how some well meaning Christians start thinking, "Just because I think it, it must be God talking to me too" "I mean God talks to them all the time so..." When oft times, what we pretend is God, is just us doing what we want to do, or us deceiving ourselves, as you put it. That, or we hear what we think because we are wishing so hard that God would talk to us, that he does, or seems to.

Thoughts on that:

Why would we wish with such eagerness, that God would talk to us? Sometimes it's the obvious, that we simply want answers or need something, but other times, I think we crave his attention just to see if he's paying attention, to substantiate he knows we are here, people need that. Same with answered prayer, sometimes it could mean more to us that he bothered to answer, than getting the thing we asked for, because it proved he was paying attention, that means a lot. And, not you , Mike, but in general, I know there are many that would throw their chest out and say "I don't need any proof that God is there, I have faith!" but I have to wonder it they aren't the ones who need it more than anyone. Faith is indeed something we need, but truth is, it's only natural one would be ecstatic to have God verify he's there and thinking of you. That's not to say he doesn't already do that in other ways that we may not understand but for people to see that in a way they DO understand would be precious to say the least.

I only read the opening post.

 

[Brother Mike]

God has never spoken to me that I know of. Take note of the "that I know of" part. I see a lot of preachers behind the pulpit going on about how God told them this and that and rarely, if ever, do I believe a word of it. I think that is how some well meaning Christians start thinking, "Just because I think it, it must be God talking to me too" "I mean God talks to them all the time so..." When oft times, what we pretend is God, is just us doing what we want to do, or us deceiving ourselves, as you put it. That, or we hear what we think because we are wishing so hard that God would talk to us, that he does, or seems to.

Thoughts on that:

Why would we wish with such eagerness, that God would talk to us? Sometimes it's the obvious, that we simply want answers or need something, but other times, I think we crave his attention just to see if he's paying attention, to substantiate he knows we are here, people need that. Same with answered prayer, sometimes it could mean more to us that he bothered to answer, than getting the thing we asked for, because it proved he was paying attention, that means a lot. And, not you , Mike, but in general, I know there are many that would throw their chest out and say "I don't need any proof that God is there, I have faith!" but I have to wonder it they aren't the ones who need it more than anyone. Faith is indeed something we need, but truth is, it's only natural one would be ecstatic to have God verify he's there and thinking of you. That's not to say he doesn't already do that in other ways that we may not understand but for people to see that in a way they DO understand would be precious to say the least.

I only read the opening post.

REad the part about Balaam and how he kept asking God the same thing after God answered him in hopes God would say something different.

You gave a pretty good answer as to why someone would like God to speak with them. Just knowing He is there, and listening with some sign, or some word, some dream, just something.

One reason I labeled my post (Advanced) is because it's to people that Believe they hear God a lot, and they get lax picking up something inside them, and call it God without checking things out as they should. So I cover this, and cover what not to do once you sure it was God you heard, even if it's something you did not really want to hear.

So to people who are not even sure they heard God, at one time that was all of us. The good news is that God actually likes to speak to all of his children, and Jesus said the sheep hear my voice.

So things go in stages. When I first knew I heard God, it was a check in my spirit saying don't take that trash bag. I was in prison at the chow hall and it was raining. I just had that check inside, "DON'T!!". I took the bag anyway, and got busted by the guards.

Your right I was excited I got busted by the guards, because I knew I heard the Holy Spirit.

Latter on, I got to the place I had to hear God on everything. The issue with this is that God said a whole lot in His Word which is the More sure Word of prophecy, then what we hear. Some folks are stuck in this stage and sometimes force thinking they heard God, when the answer was in scripture all along and they make bad choice after bad choice.

Just a few months back our car payment was like a few months past due and the wife kept asking me. "God say anything?" just constantly. Then I get the 3rd degree because as the man, I am suppose to hear God for the family, and know what to do.

After a week of this, I got fed up, and said, "Ya, I heard God. He said he will supply all our needs, according to his riches and glory in Christ Jesus, That is what I heard."

My wife gets mad, and says, "Your just quoting a scripture."

Duh????? Hello????

Someone went in and paid off our car, we don't know who and the bank does not know.

So, in later stages you trust God enough that If he has to get something across to you, He is more than able and will. Your not so bent out of shape anymore if God don't answer you every single time about everything. If I need to know, God will tell me. I come to find things he does not mention, are things he already worked out anyway.

However, if you want to hear God, then there is always first steps you can take that need to be in place. I don't mind sharing.

Be blessed.

 

[Kenny_ms]

[QUOTE="Brother Mike, post: 1095483, member: 267"]So to people who are not even sure they heard God, at one time that was all of us. The good news is that God actually likes to speak to all of his children, and Jesus said the sheep hear my voice.[/QUOTE]

To the exact definition of what you say there, I am 100% certain I have never heard God. Were you even aware of what you just stated in that quote? I had a couple of paragraphs of harsh comments for you on the quote but since I'm not positive you meant what it appears you did, I just cut em to a notepad. I still have the comments if you want to clarify.nWhat follows are just some general comments on the subject, about no one in particular.

At any rate, for those of you who simply haven't heard God that you know of, I'd say don't worry about it and don't put too much into what others say about talking to God all the time, you know, like some preachers do all to often, in constantly saying God told them this or that...sorry, but I really have to wonder if they are being truthful or up to something. Just because we haven't heard him in a way we are sure of may not mean you are not one of Jesus's sheep or a lost sheep as that would indicate in the quoted verse, but just an honest sheep.

Curious, and I think in keeping with what this thread is about...has anyone here heard the physical/audible voice of God or Jesus? I mean while you were awake and with all your faculties about you. And don't be afraid to say, either you have or you haven't. If not, how does he communicate with you? And when he does, are you always %100 sure he has told you something or can all this be confusing to you?

Is God maybe just in your head and so close to you, he/The Holy Spirit becomes so naturally integrated with you, you hardly can separate him and yourself? Incorporated in way that still allows you the freedom to say or do anything you want, while knowing what he wants? I'm not suggesting that is what happens because, I don't know, I'm just throwing out the possibility of how God communicates. Is God and/or the Holy Spirit simply a more "in tune" conscience given us, something we had all along, since birth, but a more in tune with the things of God type conscience?

A quick example I feel led to make, (OOP! there he is again, or was it? was it God that "led" me to say this, IDK, maybe, maybe not) God could very well have told ("spoken" to me) me to write every word I just wrote in this post and exactly how it was written, but I don't know for certain and this could be the way we hear "Gods voice", or not, as I keep saying, I just don't know and those who claim they know all about how this works, I have to wonder. In general people are mostly talk sometimes, they'd like to think they are Holy and God is all over them, that they may be extra special and others aren't because they don't have as close a relation to God as they "pretend" to, when in reality, they have absolutely no reason to believe that. I've seen that happen to a few folks and have even experienced it myself to a point, until I caught on to what was happening and slapped myself off my high horse. I only say that so the truly humble among us don't feel like any less of a Godly person or even lost because you aren't what some claim to be in talking to God or in whatever they claim.

 

[Kenny_ms]

I was excited I got busted by the guards, because I knew I heard the Holy Spirit.

Bingo,

OR was that just a logical thought process that led you to think what you did? How do you know it was God? or do you know?

See what I'm trying to say here?

Think I'll google this subject shortly, it really is a big issue, in more ways than one.

 

[Brother Mike]

Bingo,

OR was that just a logical thought process that led you to think what you did? How do you know it was God? or do you know?

See what I'm trying to say here?

Think I'll google this subject shortly, it really is a big issue, in more ways than one.

I don't mind harsh quotes, if I say the good news is that Jesus said his sheep hear his voice, then that ought to be good news for every believer. Your looking at it as if someone could be putting you down as a Non-Sheep for not hearing.

Let me tell you, That is not the way to read it. With God we believe first, before we fit what the scripture said. We hear him because we expect to hear as a sheep, your born again because you expected to be born again when you accepted Jesus Lord. Your healed because you know and expect to be healed, by His Stripes you believe that.

Since we don't walk by sight, and seeing is not believing, we believe first. The Lord is the one confirming the Word we believe.

Voices:
God is not a voice in our head, ears or anywhere close to that area. You hear voices, it's not God. The devil though speaks through our head, and ears.

I had a thread around here about hearing God, I am going have to hear God to find it.

I talk with God a lot. If you are interested on getting started on hearing Him, what to listen for, then I can help. I teach this topic.

Blessings.

 

[Obadiah]

Haven't read the whole OP yet (have to get ready for work right now... will read the rest at work), but it reminds me of a conversation I was just having with another member here about God's leading and the reason so many churches are out of step with God's will being that their leadership only know how to tell God what they want and have forgotten or never knew how to hear God tell them what He wants.

 

[Brother Mike]

Haven't read the whole OP yet (have to get ready for work right now... will read the rest at work), but it reminds me of a conversation I was just having with another member here about God's leading and the reason so many churches are out of step with God's will being that their leadership only know how to tell God what they want and have forgotten or never knew how to hear God tell them what He wants.

A lot of churches are out of the will of God. Not that they are doing "Wrong" or teaching wrong, we all have different doctrines. They start programs God never said start, they start a massive Cell groups where people are under other unapproved people hearing what they want to teach. They try to open food pantry's and go broke.

Good things are good, but not at the expense of wasting resources, time, people, in something God never mentioned. God is a God of faithfulness, Stay put until "HE" opens the door, and serving under before getting your own or trying to get your own. It's a process of character and being faithful before the next steps are given.

Blessing Obadiah.

 

[Kenny_ms]

I talk with God a lot. If you are interested on getting started on hearing Him, what to listen for, then I can help. I teach this topic.

How long have you been teaching this? I mean I'm thinking about that statement combined with the gist of your original post and, well, my thoughts should be obvious.

 

[Brother Mike]

How long have you been teaching this? I mean I'm thinking about that statement combined with the gist of your original post and, well, my thoughts should be obvious.

15 years? But as you can see from my original post, There is a whole lot to keep learning. Also, if you can grasp this, just because your anointed to teach (Empowered by the Holy Spirit) does not mean you fully know exactly what your teaching. I have taught things that stunned me, but it's the Holy Spirit in us the does the teaching. I don't know if that makes sense. Also, the Holy Spirit teaches others based on what you said. More than once someone came up to me and thanked me for teaching on something, that I never really covered, but the Holy Spirit branched off and covered for them based loosely on what I said.

More than once when I have been facing an issue, the Lord will ask me, "What would you tell someone?" It's often that pastor's and teachers get this idea that what they teach does not apply to them in "Their" situation, but that is not true.

So you want to hear God? Let's get started.
Listen to what Angle posted Above.

My parents taught me, that when making a big decision, (such as when they sought a house to buy) is to have God's peace about it. If you have peace, then it is from God. If you lose your peace, then you are outta line.

Way back someone told me, if you want to start hearing God, follow the peace in your heart. Choose left and right is not hard if you don't weight things on a scale and look at pro's and con's. God has already given you the answer. I have the answer, but don't know what that is? What? Did not make much sense way back, but it's saved me over and over now and makes perfect sense.

Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

If it's God, you will have peace. The issue with this is most folks live their whole life being led by good deals, prices, the pro's and con's of things, what other tell them. This is not being Spirit Led, this is being money and World led. When people try to tell me the upside of things and the down side of something, I tell them I don't care. I don't make decisions based on those things.

1Ti_2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
Joh_14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

The World's peace says, This sounds like a good deal, sounds like a win, win to me.
It looks safe.............. (Last words of many)

Following the direction of the Lord, is the Peace He gives.

I don't know how many folks have come to me with dreams of hell fire, or you hear all these prophets of doom for America. That's not peace, and I can promise it's not God. The guy with the dream had something wrong to eat before bed, and the prophet of doom, is confused.

Example:
Daughter wanted to go down to the pool, bugged my wife all day. Finally the wife gave in, and before they walked out the door, I asked my wife, "you going to ignore the Lord like that?" Wife tells me that my daughter needs to get out of the house. I said, "it's on you then, have at that."

Inside my spirit, I did not have peace about them going to the pool. Normally not a issue, but that day, I knew they where not suppose to go. However, the Lord asked me to stop being the Holy Spirit for my wife, unless she is about to get herself killed or my Daughter.

It was just 1/2 hour, my wife calls me. Some lady at the pool was being nasty to her, and some other folks where jumping in. My wife never even met this lady. I walked down to the pool to make sure everything was cool, and walked my wife and daughter back home.

God would rather have my wife avoid all that. You would be amazed just how much God wants to get involved, but we spend most the day ignoring him, Because we don't have the teaching and scriptures shown to us on what God sounds like. Every Church should teach this, but they don't.

Trash bag:

This is how I knew not to that that trash bag. I instantly did not have peace about it. A check in your heart if you want to call it that.


Through the years, I have learned how to be led by the peace in my heart. When things go wrong, you can always check back to see where you missed God. You just want to smack yourself in the head for reasoning something out you did not have full peace about and it ends up costing you.

A whole book could be written on this one subject alone. If we constantly are world led, and ignore our heart, then I can promise God will not speak to you if you can't be led the main way the Holy Spirit leads. You won't know if it was God or something else, and God is not out to confuse anyone.

Long enough.

Blessings.

 

[Angel]

Brother Mike
I was wondering, have you considered being chaplain for those in jail?
I think it would be awesome!

 

[Brother Mike]

Brother Mike
I was wondering, have you considered being chaplain for those in jail?
I think it would be awesome!

I do very well with gang banger, drug addicts, homeless folks. They need more of a tough or rough type of responses that they can respect.
I have talked with our sheriff's dept about getting a bible study set up for the county Jail. It would have to be equal men then the women from my understanding. Having a felony record, that might be an obstacle to get approved to be allowed inside the jail. They said it would be considered if I filled out some paper work, and if it was approved.

If I would have to do the women side, I would want a strong female co-minister with me. The Lord would have to provide that person. I am very against unbelief.

Right now the groups that are going there are your standard Methodist and baptist group, and a catholic group. The inmates are not hearing what I would be telling them.

When I was locked up, we had Sister Betty come see us with her husband. A 70 year old women that was on fire. She spoke prophecy over the men, and if anyone one was sick, or had a disease she lay hands on them and they would get healed. Her services were packed, and a lot of what I learned about ministering that way came from watching her.

It has been on my mind, you might be confirming to me to look into it more from the Lord.

 

[Kenny_ms]

15 years? But as you can see from my original post, There is a whole lot to keep learning. Also, if you can grasp this, just because your anointed to teach (Empowered by the Holy Spirit) does not mean you fully know exactly what your teaching.

Mike, I mean this with the best of intentions, no, I can't grasp that.

If one is going to teach, they should learned on the subject they are going to teach.

If I'm going to teach English, I should know English or leave it to someone who does. I can't just guess along the way and hope I get it right..... that wouldn't be fair to my students. I especially couldn't expect someone to have confidence in my teaching English if I made a post here and told everyone how much trouble I had speaking English myself.

I already know you will disagree with me and that's fine, but I say it for what I feel is your own good and will stick to it.

 

[Brother Mike]

Mike, I mean this with the best of intentions, no, I can't grasp that.

If one is going to teach, they should learned on the subject they are going to teach.

If I'm going to teach English, I should know English or leave it to someone who does. I can't just guess along the way and hope I get it right..... that wouldn't be fair to my students. I especially couldn't expect someone to have confidence in my teaching English if I made a post here and told everyone how much trouble I had speaking English myself.

I already know you will disagree with me and that's fine, but I say it for what I feel is your own good and will stick to it.

You did not get it. It could be I did a horrible job of explaining it.

I have been teaching faith and trusting God for a long time. I knew a few things about it. It does not mean I know everything about it, and it does not mean I am not learning more about.

I still have weeks and weeks of material that I do know.

Holy Spirit:
Since the Holy Spirit is our teacher, and anoints us to teach, it's very common while I am listening to the Holy Spirit, something concerning a verse that I never thought of comes up, new revelation.

Since I am not the one teaching, but just doing the speaking, then our teacher the Holy Spirit can reveal things in a better light or something different.

The Holy Spirit can also reveal what is being taught to those that listen. He would have to and the Word of God is spiritually discerned. So the people listening can also get things that the Teacher does not even know about.

We have to be led when we teach and go with what the Holy Spirit is saying. What to say just comes up to you.

We may have lots of knowledge about something, but we don't have more knowledge than the Holy Spirit who teaches us, through the man, and we need not man with his knowledge to teach us.

We are just the vessel for the Teacher, we are not the teacher.

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(Joh 14:26)

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
(1Jn 2:27)

As you can see, according to these two verses, it's not technically the man who is actually teaching.

you can tell someone called and anointed to teach, and someone who just has head knowledge and is teaching from that. Big difference.

Blessings.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Mike, I may not have been clear, I was only referring to the teaching of prayer, of how to talk to God, nothing more at this point.

And as I said, I knew you wouldn't agree, but not a problem....I'm used to it.