Bible Study PT.1 (Advanced believers only) God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.

[Douglas Summers]

God said this, that, but things are hard, not working out.​

By: Brother Mike

Praise The Lord!! Brother Mike here with some more amazing revelation, handed to those who are seeking to advance and want answers. Of course I had to learn this through experience, and more than once.

A quick story of what this looks like:

I use to Pastor a church. The Lord said leave and move to Branson, MO and go to Keith Moore's Church to prepare myself for bigger things. A few years pass, I learn lots of things.

Now, the Lord asked me to go to healing school and sit in and listen through the week day, and the Lord asked me to be on the Parking team, and grounds team. I was on those teams, and was faithful going to healing school. For about half a year.

Well, and new business opportunity came up, so that had to be the Lord, and a few other things that (LOOKED) great came up, Had to be God promoting me.

Well, that did not leave much time for Parking lot team and Healing school was out of the question. Nobody at church saw my amazing revelation, and did not ask me to preach. After all I am called to be a preacher, not be on some parking lot time, right?

Well, through my business folks who hear God, it came about to go back to my home town and Pastor again. Just pack up and go. That sounded good to me, sounded like the Lord was promoting me again to even greater things.

So, I went back to Champaign, IL, and the former Pastor was glad to have me back and put me right back behind the pulpit. Smooth and easy.

So, I looked for work, studied the Word which I do most the day anyway, and Preached at church again. Sounded like a great set up.

Services where great, had a chance to go to the projects (Hood) and witness there, the Lord did some amazing things, the Lord did some amazing things in church through me preaching, the power was on.

However, at home, the power was not on. No job would hire me, and I did not want to ask money from the church, I only ask God for things.

So I spent the next few months preaching, and falling behind in bills, and wondering what the heck I was going to eat ever day. I felt the devil was attacking, but the Lord was not answering me. Had to have more faith, but I am not sure how, Brother Mike already has lots of faith. I teach faith, and trusting God, what was I missing? Nobody goes broke serving God, and nobody does without.

Well, after the 2nd day of having no food, I just fell on my knee's and said, "I don't see it, I did what you asked, I am preaching again, I am being faithful, I don't get it, I'll hear anything, I just need the answer."

The Lord spoke, (Not a voice, inside) He said, "Ya, and your going to starve staying out of my will year after year. Did I ever mention to you about starting a business? Did I say leave the parking lot team? You claimed I said those things, but you just heard what you wanted to hear."

Wow, I have deceived myself for a very long time here. If you had asked me if God said those things, I would have said Yes. Truth is, I never sought the Lord fully on any of those things. I just went by what "Seemed" right and called it God. I also listened to others.

That next day I heard a message from Keith Moore about leaving your place, and that just confirmed everything. I resigned from teaching at the church, and Went back to Branson, MO that night.

That is what it looks like, and many, many, many believers are in the same position I put myself in. To be honest, I would have sworn it was God giving me all that direction. God was not a part of it, it was things I wanted to hear. WHO wants to hear be faithful on some parking lot team for 10 years? If that is your place though, it's the best and most blessed place to be.

How can it seem that God say something to us, but it's not God, or It's God giving you up to what YOU want to do, until you fall flat on your face and come crawling back for help?

In the next part we will examine this with scriptures.

Mike

Hi Mike,
My calling and election was somewhat similar. Like Chopper, when I began to become serious about studying the Scriptures, I did not see in Church what I gleamed from the Bible. Everyone in Church were nice, but there was no fruit of the works of the Spirit of Christ. My wife was a legal secretary and she worked for the pastor/teacher who was a Juvenal Judge here in TN. Not feeling comfortable with the spirit of the Church to the Spirit of Christ, I asked the Lord to show me the Truth or was I in error. Soon after that. every thing in my life changed. I managed a Water Treatment Plant and most of the workers there were Christians. But they went to the board and complained about me to get me fired. (small town politics). They just said they did not like me. They would hide tape recorders around the plant and try to get me to say something that they could use against me. When that did not work they went to the board of city officials behind my back and got me fired. At that meeting, I was made to stay in another room while my employees made accusations against me. I was not allowed to defend myself. After the meeting I was fired. I had a wife and two children to support and now i was out of work. Mind you, these were devout Christians?

Soon after that the Judge and Pastor/teacher of the Church fired my wife. Gave no reason? eventually I lost my car. Had to file bankruptcy and lived at my in laws house. I had lost everything with the help of so called Christian friends. I had nothing left to hold onto.......Except Christ. He let everything be taken from me till all I had was Him. I asked for Him to show me the Truth, and he gave me the only foundation I needed to stand on. I found a job about 100 mi. away from where I lived and stayed in the word every day.....and I mean everyday. Helped to build a Church building near my work. I tried to find fellowship at LDS , but the Spirit of the Lord warned me through His Spirit in me. At their indoctrination when I was going to join the LDS, the last thing they said to me was "that Jesus was just a good man". Immediately my feet got warm and it went from my feet and through my whole body. I stood up and said "so far I have not believed a word you said". I did not know where that came from, for it was instant. They got up and left, they said I had Satan in me. But it was the Holy Spirit, the flesh had no control over it. I tried out the WWCG. It was a DEAD church. And I mean dead! for the Spirit could not find anything that honored the Lord. It was all self willed worship. (humanist).

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit will not allow you to tread in a field of Tares. And it will work with a willing vessel. Not by trial and error, that is the work of the flesh, but by a daily walk and the Scriptures of proof of His energy. Every Scripture will line up with the word of God, for the word is God. More in the next post.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Brother Mike]

Hi Mike,
My calling and election was somewhat similar. Like Chopper, when I began to become serious about studying the Scriptures, I did not see in Church what I gleamed from the Bible. Everyone in Church were nice, but there was no fruit of the works of the Spirit of Christ. My wife was a legal secretary and she worked for the pastor/teacher who was a Juvenal Judge here in TN. Not feeling comfortable with the spirit of the Church to the Spirit of Christ, I asked the Lord to show me the Truth or was I in error. They got up and left, they said I had Satan in me. But it was the Holy Spirit, the flesh had no control over it. I tried out the WWCG. It was a DEAD church. And I mean dead! for the Spirit could not find anything that honored the Lord. It was all self willed worship. (humanist).

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit will not allow you to tread in a field of Tares. And it will work with a willing vessel. Not by trial and error, that is the work of the flesh, but by a daily walk and the Scriptures of proof of His energy. Every Scripture will line up with the word of God, for the word is God. More in the next post.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

Thank you for sharing that. Certainly being in the wrong church, constantly hearing the wrong things can not be good. The issue though is lots of things you have heard that are wrong may seem right. The Lord often has to get our attention on one of those things to pull us out. That don't mean we have lots of other things that don't need changed.

Your right about trial and error which is what my post is about. If it's God, it works, if it's not God, it won't work, or it will take all your strength and effort to make it work, and wear you out.

There are all kinds of doctrines out there, and they change on you from church to church. The LDS for example do not believe in the Trinity. They believe there is a Father, Son and Holy Spirit, they believe they are working eternally as One. They don't believe all 3 get smashed into a 1 God system. Rome came up with that idea in a later version of the Trinity concept. The Original was fine as it did not make 3 beings into 1. However, it would not agree with LDS view on who Jesus is either.

My church believes in Trinity (Modern version) I don't buy into it, but just because I don't buy into does not mean it has to be a big deal if someone does. I believe Jesus is God, the Son of God, has his own throne and not smashed into the Father and Holy Spirit saying there is only 1 of them after you do the math.

The main thing is to learn to be led by the Holy Spirit in all things, practice allowing God in for every choice you make. The Word should be first place in everything we do in life.

Blessings.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Thank you for sharing that. Certainly being in the wrong church, constantly hearing the wrong things can not be good. The issue though is lots of things you have heard that are wrong may seem right. The Lord often has to get our attention on one of those things to pull us out. That don't mean we have lots of other things that don't need changed.

Your right about trial and error which is what my post is about. If it's God, it works, if it's not God, it won't work, or it will take all your strength and effort to make it work, and wear you out.

There are all kinds of doctrines out there, and they change on you from church to church. The LDS for example do not believe in the Trinity. They believe there is a Father, Son and Holy Spirit, they believe they are working eternally as One. They don't believe all 3 get smashed into a 1 God system. Rome came up with that idea in a later version of the Trinity concept. The Original was fine as it did not make 3 beings into 1. However, it would not agree with LDS view on who Jesus is either.

My church believes in Trinity (Modern version) I don't buy into it, but just because I don't buy into does not mean it has to be a big deal if someone does. I believe Jesus is God, the Son of God, has his own throne and not smashed into the Father and Holy Spirit saying there is only 1 of them after you do the math.

The main thing is to learn to be led by the Holy Spirit in all things, practice allowing God in for every choice you make. The Word should be first place in everything we do in life.

Blessings.

Mike, About the Spirit. I never heard an audible voice. It was like a conscious Spirit instructing me but leaving it up to me to act on it. One Sunday the pastor/teacher was out of town. He asked one of the members to do the Sunday noon and evening service. While sitting in the pew during the service the Spirit kept telling me to prepare for the evening service. It was very strong and convincing. I went home and thought about it (it was still left up to me). So I studied on the promises of God to Israel as a nation from the OT. I went to the evening service. The member that was suppose to preach that evening Came up to me and said in a weak voice. I have lost my voice, what are we going to do . He came to me, no one else, and I was ready? I'm probably the most timid speaker ever...still am . But the boldness of the Holy Spirit and the word of God, I completed the task.. One time the pastor left town and had a guest pastor to preach on a certain Sunday. He did not show up. The Lord called me right out of the pew to preach, and I did. and many more experiences. And after all that, there are still times when I don't know if the Lord will use me again. So the strength and victory is in the Spirit of Christ so that we do not glory in the flesh, but glory in the Lord. (1Cor. 1:29-31)

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Brother Mike]

Mike, About the Spirit. I never heard an audible voice. It was like a conscious Spirit instructing me but leaving it up to me to act on it.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

Praise God Douglas!!! Awesome to know you heard the Lord, and just obeyed out of a clear conscience, and BAM, God uses you. Your ready.

My Post is more for those that are use to hearing the Lord, and what can happen to someone that gets use to hearing God, and not making sure it was God, and checking things out like they should. Granted, if You think God said Run, Hide, Now. It's not the time to take a week and seek the Lord to see if it was really him.

However, God speaks through our conscience, heart, our spirit man, our inner man. I talked with Kenny.Ms about this some on page one, to no avail, but we did talk.

Now you may believe you did not hear a voice, but we are not looking to hear voices. Hearing voices, means the wrong spirit anyway.
Inside you, ourselves, is what we are hearing, because that is where the Holy Spirit is at. Not our heads.

So, having something strong on your conscience to do, you don't know what that is, unless the words that make sense are also given to you. In this case "Prepare"

With the things of the Holy Spirit, that is all that needs said, as when that is given, then everything is told to you at once on what to prepare and how to prepare. It's just a sudden knowing. We can call it the light bulb coming on, or sudden revelation on what to do for that time. Whatever you want to call it.

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
(Act 15:28)

Two witnesses here. The Holy Spirit it "Seemed" and to us it "Seemed" Not a whole lot of talking on God's part, but a whole lot of information on what to do, and just knowing it was right.

And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
(Act 11:12)

Here the Spirit is pushing and calling in that direction. Not a lot of talking here, but the pull and direction is clear. Just like being bade to "Prepare" it's strong, and you just know what it means.

This is what God sounds like Douglas, you gave a perfect example of the Lord speaking to you through the Holy Spirit and giving you a direction. To have disobeyed and not "Prepared" would have been like Jesus himself telling you something and not doing it.

Lot's of folks are waiting for a "voice" and missing the 20 times God did tell them something, and they missed out.

The more you expect by faith to hear God daily, and talk with him about things. "Not asking, but just saying, Hey Father, what is on your heart for me today, whatever you direct me to do, I do." then I think you will find these situations of being led this way come up a whole lot more often.

In my experience, You only get direction all the time when your focused on helping people, doing the will of God. Where your understanding of God's will ends, is where the line is on what God can ask you to do.

If you believe God would never have you walk in a strip club, then your going to miss God saying go in, and talk to someone for me.

If you don't believe it's God's will to heal everyone, then go lay hands on that person in my name won't come up.

If you Believe it's God's will that you speak the word, then You might hear that more, if you study and prepare as if your going to speak every service as faith gets ready to hear, and is prepared. 2 Tim 2:15

Long enough.

Be blessed.

 

[Kenny_ms]

However, God speaks through our conscience, heart, our spirit man, our inner man. I talked with Kenny.Ms about this some on page one, to no avail, but we did talk.

If you mean "no avail" as in, I doubted your abilities to teach this since you told us all you were having so much trouble with this yourself in that you were actually uprooting yourself, jumping from job to job, moving here and there because you weren't understanding and/or hearing what God was telling you as well as because you said something to the affect of you don't have to know something in order to teach it...then yes, to no avail. And that's not to say there is anything wrong with mistakes and learning from them, it happens with most of us.

On how God speaks to us, you are correct, those are some of the ways and I think you really meant "no avail" as in you couldn't, or I wouldn't let you teach me that but don't assume I don't already know it, I think most here have a pretty good idea how that works. I was trying to make sure you knew it after all the problems you had.

Hearing voices, means the wrong spirit anyway.

No, Mike, not necessarily. If you don't mind my saying so, you need to be more careful at times.

 

[Brother Mike]

If you mean "no avail" as in, I doubted your abilities to teach this since you told us all you were having so much trouble with this yourself in that you were actually uprooting yourself, jumping from job to job, moving here and there because you weren't understanding and/or hearing what God was telling you as well as because you said something to the affect of you don't have to know something in order to teach it...then yes, to no avail. And that's not to say there is anything wrong with mistakes and learning from them, it happens with most of us.

On how God speaks to us, you are correct, those are some of the ways and I think you really meant "no avail" as in you couldn't, or I wouldn't let you teach me that but don't assume I don't already know it, I think most here have a pretty good idea how that works. I was trying to make sure you knew it after all the problems you had.



No, Mike, not necessarily. If you don't mind my saying so, you need to be more careful at times.

God is not a audible voice. You don't hear God through natural ears, but by spirit.

It is true, moving from one place to another, thinking God said this or that is not stable. I was showing that this can happen to the best, but more important how not to do this and fix it.

Had everything I believed God came to pass, and every thing I every prayed happened, and every person I laid hands on where healed, it would me I have reached perfect knowledge in these things.

We know that can't be the case.

 

[Kenny_ms]

God is not a audible voice. You don't hear God through natural ears, but by spirit.

God has and can be and audible voice. Just one example, he spoke to Adam and eve.

Rare? probably, but to say Hearing voices, means the wrong spirit, period, is simply not accurate.

 

[Brother Mike]

God has and can be and audible voice. Just one example, he spoke to Adam and eve.

Rare? probably, but to say Hearing voices, means the wrong spirit, period, is simply not accurate.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(Rom 8:14)

It's very accurate.

Since God is a Spirit and we are led by the Holy Spirit, if God spoke to someone in a voice they could hear, how would you know it was God?

Not one time God has spoken to me in my head, or a voice I can hear. In my spirit man through the Holy Spirit. In the OT, God often spoke to natural man so man can hear, and most the time it was through an angel, so the man could hear.

However, the subject is advanced hearing, so to cover this would mean a new thread. If we follow a voice we can hear, you have no idea who's voice that is, and what spirit it is.

You can hear inside your inner man, and speak out as prophecy what you hear from inside. It's not a voice, it's not natural, it's a lot like tongues work, but in your language.

 

[Kenny_ms]

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Relevancy?

On the rest...suit yourself.

 

[Angel]

Hi Mike,
My calling and election was somewhat similar. Like Chopper, when I began to become serious about studying the Scriptures, I did not see in Church what I gleamed from the Bible. Everyone in Church were nice, but there was no fruit of the works of the Spirit of Christ. My wife was a legal secretary and she worked for the pastor/teacher who was a Juvenal Judge here in TN. Not feeling comfortable with the spirit of the Church to the Spirit of Christ, I asked the Lord to show me the Truth or was I in error. Soon after that. every thing in my life changed. I managed a Water Treatment Plant and most of the workers there were Christians. But they went to the board and complained about me to get me fired. (small town politics). They just said they did not like me. They would hide tape recorders around the plant and try to get me to say something that they could use against me. When that did not work they went to the board of city officials behind my back and got me fired. At that meeting, I was made to stay in another room while my employees made accusations against me. I was not allowed to defend myself. After the meeting I was fired. I had a wife and two children to support and now i was out of work. Mind you, these were devout Christians?

Soon after that the Judge and Pastor/teacher of the Church fired my wife. Gave no reason? eventually I lost my car. Had to file bankruptcy and lived at my in laws house. I had lost everything with the help of so called Christian friends. I had nothing left to hold onto.......Except Christ. He let everything be taken from me till all I had was Him. I asked for Him to show me the Truth, and he gave me the only foundation I needed to stand on. I found a job about 100 mi. away from where I lived and stayed in the word every day.....and I mean everyday. Helped to build a Church building near my work. I tried to find fellowship at LDS , but the Spirit of the Lord warned me through His Spirit in me. At their indoctrination when I was going to join the LDS, the last thing they said to me was "that Jesus was just a good man". Immediately my feet got warm and it went from my feet and through my whole body. I stood up and said "so far I have not believed a word you said". I did not know where that came from, for it was instant. They got up and left, they said I had Satan in me. But it was the Holy Spirit, the flesh had no control over it. I tried out the WWCG. It was a DEAD church. And I mean dead! for the Spirit could not find anything that honored the Lord. It was all self willed worship. (humanist).

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit will not allow you to tread in a field of Tares. And it will work with a willing vessel. Not by trial and error, that is the work of the flesh, but by a daily walk and the Scriptures of proof of His energy. Every Scripture will line up with the word of God, for the word is God. More in the next post.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

Interesting testimony.