[_ Old Earth _] 'Pull the plug on the Darwin Delusion'

[MrVersatile48]

Hi Guys!

Blunt, you remind me of my classmates at Birkenhead Grammar, doing A Levels in '66 - hi to any Class of '66 out there!

When they laughingly accused me of being brainwashed by evangelicals, I laughingly said, "Think about it: I'm only in church @ 90 mins Sun am, @ 90 mins Sun eve & @ 90 mins Wed eve - It's you guys who try to brainwash me into atheism, 9.0-4.0 Mon-Fri" :roll:

Today's CT online has this amusing theistic evolutionist piece:- 8-)


Living with the Darwin Fish

Why the discovery of yet another 'missing link' doesn't destroy my faith.
Stan Guthrie

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... 37.74.html

As to why such pieces don't destroy my faith in the Almighty Creator speaking all into being in 6 days & making sure each day's work was good, as in Genesis 1, do see the many learned articles & books etc at http://www.creationism.org

http://www.creationism.org/topbar/faq.htm

http://www.creationism.org/articles/index.htm

http://www.creationism.org/books/index.htm

& http://www.discovery.org/csc

http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/

http://www.discovery.org/csc/essentialReadings.php

http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php

http://www.discovery.org/csc/freeSpeechEvolCampMain.php

Putting it to music for you, this lyric of mine links many fascinating debates in this fine forum, to warm up this cold, windy winter spell for readers:-

All The Wonders Of The Universe - (posts 2-4)

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18462

Ian :-D

 

[LittleNipper]

There is the kicker... you feel threatened by evolution because you feel it is "Godless" and if correct it throws a literal interpretation the bible out.

I feel MY WITNESS is threatened by people who call themselves "Christian," and have done everything to have the Bible removed from education and science. I listened to the theory of evolution in Biology in both junior high, high school, and college. I heard nothing mentioned about creationism or intelligent design. I heard no mention of all the problem issues associated with evolution. Let's just say that I heard more about evolution then you ever heard about creation in any public forum.

 

[LittleNipper]

Blunttitha4life:

I could just as easily say that your concerns surrounding evolution spring from a desire to prop up what you have been taught and have come to accept. All I know is that in 4000 years of recorded history, there is no mention of one. Not one appearance of some new kind developing from some other kind. What was is variations. That is all science actually sees----that and extinction...

 

[blunthitta4life]

Hi Guys!

Blunt, you remind me of my classmates at Birkenhead Grammar, doing A Levels in '66 - hi to any Class of '66 out there!

When they laughingly accused me of being brainwashed by evangelicals, I laughingly said, "Think about it: I'm only in church @ 90 mins Sun am, @ 90 mins Sun eve & @ 90 mins Wed eve - It's you guys who try to brainwash me into atheism, 9.0-4.0 Mon-Fri"

Today's CT online has this amusing theistic evolutionist piece:-

Perhaps you should have gone to private school then?

Living with the Darwin Fish

Why the discovery of yet another 'missing link' doesn't destroy my faith.
Stan Guthrie

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... 37.74.html

As to why such pieces don't destroy my faith in the Almighty Creator speaking all into being in 6 days & making sure each day's work was good, as in Genesis 1, do see the many learned articles & books etc at http://www.creationism.org

http://www.creationism.org/topbar/faq.htm

http://www.creationism.org/articles/index.htm

http://www.creationism.org/books/index.htm

& http://www.discovery.org/csc

http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/

http://www.discovery.org/csc/essentialReadings.php

http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php

http://www.discovery.org/csc/freeSpeechEvolCampMain.php

Putting it to music for you, this lyric of mine links many fascinating debates in this fine forum, to warm up this cold, windy winter spell for readers:-

All The Wonders Of The Universe

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18462

What is that supposed to prove? Its good that people question and doubt evolution. That is why science works so well. Evolution has been questioned and scrutinized for the past 150 years and still hasn't been disprovened.

I feel MY WITNESS is threatened by people who call themselves "Christian," and have done everything to have the Bible removed from education and science.

You should really be angry at those pesky founding fathers who wanted to seperate church and state.

I listened to the theory of evolution in Biology in both junior high, high school, and college. I heard nothing mentioned about creationism or intelligent design.

creationism = Church and state conflict
intelligent design= not science

I could just as easily say that your concerns surrounding evolution spring from a desire to prop up what you have been taught and have come to accept. All I know is that in 4000 years of recorded history, there is no mention of one. Not one appearance of some new kind developing from some other kind. What was is variations. That is all science actually sees----that and extinction...

No offense but you have no idea about evolution. You say you been taught evolution in high school and college, but I wonder how old you are and what classes you took in college. Seriously Nipper, if you want to argue scientifically against evolution then we'll go.

 

[LittleNipper]

No offense but you have no idea about evolution. You say you been taught evolution in high school and college, but I wonder how old you are and what classes you took in college. Seriously Nipper, if you want to argue scientifically against evolution then we'll go.

One cannot speak scientifically about evolution until one is clear about exactly what form of evolution one is speaking about. Either you believe that all forms of life originated from one life form, or you do not. Such a belief would mean that our ancestors were single celled at some point, likely four legged at some point, etc., etc., etc.... It is not I who doesn't understand the ramifications of evolutionary theory. It is you.... I am 53 years young. I was not born yesterday. I am insulted to imagine that my parents should have sent me to some private institution at their added expense because the government saw fit to provide an inferior mindless education with taxpayer's funds. I've been serious. It would seem that you wish to play at semantics. I don't play that game----I call a spade a spade. I'm not going to fight over the shovel.....

 

[MrVersatile48]

Don't miss the many extra threads now linked from posts 2-4 @

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18462 8-)

Ian :wink:

 

[blunthitta4life]

ne cannot speak scientifically about evolution until one is clear about exactly what form of evolution one is speaking about. Either you believe that all forms of life originated from one life form, or you do not.

Uh huh...

Such a belief would mean that our ancestors were single celled at some point, likely four legged at some point, etc., etc., etc....

Yea kinda but you make it sound so simple and unbelievable, which I'm sure is your intent.

It is not I who doesn't understand the ramifications of evolutionary theory. It is you....

I completely understand them. I actually work with them Tuesdays and Thursdays in a lab.

I am 53 years young. I was not born yesterday.

While you are 53 years young, you are old in terms of the knowledge that has been accumulated since the last time you stepped in a college class. You would be surprised at all the new branches of biology that have "evolved" since molecular biology has exploded.

I am insulted to imagine that my parents should have sent me to some private institution at their added expense because the government saw fit to provide an inferior mindless education with taxpayer's funds.

If by inferior mindless education, you mean it provides jobs for hundreds of thousands of researchers worldwide in bettering our medicine and our understanding of disease... Then yes.

You do realize you can't get a career in science with an education in creationism....

I've been serious. It would seem that you wish to play at semantics. I don't play that game----I call a spade a spade. I'm not going to fight over the shovel.....

Well point out something specific in theory of evolution that you feel is wrong and we'll discuss it.

 

[MrVersatile48]

OK...OK... 8-)

I'll list 'em to brighten up this cold, wet, windy day for ya.. :angel:

6000 Year-Old Earth a Scriptural Concept?

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26461

The Flood & Dinosaurs

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24829

Conversation between Atheist professor and student.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26764

Showing of Hands

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26820


Center searches for the science behind faith


http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27280

Quotes about Evolution and Creation

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26809

Mutation, Evolutions last hope

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26810



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[LittleNipper]

Well point out something specific in theory of evolution that you feel is wrong and we'll discuss it.

The part that one kind can be the ancestor of several different kinds. In other words ------ just what kinds or species do you imagine we will father? I do not see any. Cats are cats and dogs are dogs and always will be ---- including their offspring.

 

[blunthitta4life]

The part that one kind can be the ancestor of several different kinds. In other words ------ just what kinds or species doe you imagine we will father? I do not see any.

I wouldn't be able to imagine how we are going to evolve in the future. That'd be impossible to predict.

Cats are cats and dogs are dogs and always will be ---- including their offspring.

Before I go into a complete explanation, do you believe that microevolution occurs? Did dogs evolve from wolves or do you believe God made wolves and dogs seperately?

 

[LittleNipper]

Before I go into a complete explanation, do you believe that microevolution occurs? Did dogs evolve from wolves or do you believe God made wolves and dogs seperately?

I believe that both dogs and wolves are equally complex --- both socially, physiologically, and mentally. I see no reason that dogs and wolves are not of the same kind. In fact, it seems that it is even possible that dogs and wolves could sire pups under the right conditions. I do not see either the mathamatical possibiliity (given 100 million years ) that an ameba could become more complex or man could become any less....

 

[blunthitta4life]

I believe that both dogs and wolves are equally complex --- both socially, physiologically, and mentally. I see no reason that dogs and wolves are not of the same kind. In fact, it seems that it is even possible that dogs and wolves could sire pups under the right conditions.

Sorry, I am confused. So do you believe that dogs evolved from wolves?

I do not see either the mathamatical possibiliity (given 100 million years ) that an ameba could become more complex or man could become any less....

What mathematical possibility? Elaborate.

Single celled organisms are constantly becoming more "complex." For example, everyone was worried about bird flu because it had the possibilty of negatively affecting humans. In order to do that it would have to gain the "information" needed to overcome our immune systems via evolution.

 

[LittleNipper]

What mathematical possibility? Elaborate.

Single celled organisms are constantly becoming more "complex." For example, everyone was worried about bird flu because it had the possibilty of negatively affecting humans. In order to do that it would have to gain the "information" needed to overcome our immune systems via evolution.

If a wolf and a wild dog can sire pups under extenuating circumstances naturally, then they are of the very same kind. Simply because a virus becomes adaptable to a variety of environments does not make it any more complex.

 

[Slevin]

If a wolf and a wild dog can sire pups under extenuating circumstances naturally, then they are of the very same kind. Simply because a virus becomes adaptable to a variety of environments does not make it any more complex.

Then by all means define what you mean by "more complex"?

 

[LittleNipper]

Then by all means define what you mean by "more complex"?

Highly Intelligent, aware of itself and its surroundings----Aware of other organisms and their function in relation to itself... Can interact with other organisms for the sake of enjoyment or pleasure.... Interactions beyond mere survival. Thoughtful..............

 

[blunthitta4life]

Highly Intelligent, aware of itself and its surroundings----Aware of other organisms and their function in relation to itself... Can interact with other organisms for the sake of enjoyment or pleasure.... Interactions beyond mere survival. Thoughtful..............

Here is how webster defines it:

–noun
6. an intricate or complicated association or assemblage of related things, parts, units, etc.: the entire complex of our educational system; an apartment complex.
7. Psychology. a system of interrelated, emotion-charged ideas, feelings, memories, and impulses that is usually repressed and that gives rise to abnormal or pathological behavior.
8. a fixed idea; an obsessive notion.
9. Mathematics.
a. an arbitrary set of elements of a group.
b. a collection of simplexes having specified properties.
10. Also called coordination compound. Chemistry. a compound in which independently existing molecules or ions of a nonmetal (complexing agent) form coordinate bonds with a metal atom or ion. Compare ligand (def. 2).
11. Biochemistry. an entity composed of molecules in which the constituents maintain much of their chemical identity: receptor-hormone complex, enzyme-substrate complex.

Well fortunately mere survival is all that it takes to pass your genetic information on, also known as natural selection.

 

[Slevin]

Highly Intelligent, aware of itself and its surroundings----Aware of other organisms and their function in relation to itself... Can interact with other organisms for the sake of enjoyment or pleasure.... Interactions beyond mere survival. Thoughtful..............

So that's your absolute definition or more complex?

 

[LittleNipper]

So that's your absolute definition for more complex?

Do you have an absolute definition for anything?

 

[LittleNipper]

Here is how webster defines it:

–noun
6. an intricate or complicated association or assemblage of related things, parts, units, etc.: the entire complex of our educational system; an apartment complex.
7. Psychology. a system of interrelated, emotion-charged ideas, feelings, memories, and impulses that is usually repressed and that gives rise to abnormal or pathological behavior.
8. a fixed idea; an obsessive notion.
9. Mathematics.
a. an arbitrary set of elements of a group.
b. a collection of simplexes having specified properties.
10. Also called coordination compound. Chemistry. a compound in which independently existing molecules or ions of a nonmetal (complexing agent) form coordinate bonds with a metal atom or ion. Compare ligand (def. 2).
11. Biochemistry. an entity composed of molecules in which the constituents maintain much of their chemical identity: receptor-hormone complex, enzyme-substrate complex.

Well fortunately mere survival is all that it takes to pass your genetic information on, also known as natural selection.

Well, then a one celled organism is only going to pass on the genetic information for one celled individuals forever----or don't you get that implication. When "it" does more then that, a MORE complex organism has been sired. This is the stupidity and arrogance of evolution and the evolutionist. In the meantime they play at being sarcastic.

 

[LittleNipper]

Here is how webster defines it:

–noun
6. an intricate or complicated association or assemblage of related things, parts, units, etc.: the entire complex of our educational system; an apartment complex.
7. Psychology. a system of interrelated, emotion-charged ideas, feelings, memories, and impulses that is usually repressed and that gives rise to abnormal or pathological behavior.
8. a fixed idea; an obsessive notion.
9. Mathematics.
a. an arbitrary set of elements of a group.
b. a collection of simplexes having specified properties.
10. Also called coordination compound. Chemistry. a compound in which independently existing molecules or ions of a nonmetal (complexing agent) form coordinate bonds with a metal atom or ion. Compare ligand (def. 2).
11. Biochemistry. an entity composed of molecules in which the constituents maintain much of their chemical identity: receptor-hormone complex, enzyme-substrate complex.

Well fortunately mere survival is all that it takes to pass your genetic information on, also known as natural selection.

Well then, a one celled organism is only going to pass on the genetic information for one celled individuals forever----or, don't you get that implication. When "it" does more then that, a MORE complex organism has been sired. This is the stupidity and arrogance of evolution and the evolutionist. In the meantime, they play at being sarcastic and imagine everyone else is naive....