Quantum interpretations as evidence of God

[DarkHorseRising]

Okay, so I know thermodynamics is usually used to show a scientific rationale for God, but lately I've been wondering if quantum mechanics would be a better model (or at least a different one).

I'm not necessarily speaking of the Copenhagen interpretation, although the observer requirement could arguably only be satisfied by an eternal being such as God (as esse est percepi for multiple mortals would fragment reality into a multi-world paradigm).

I was thinking more of the Cramer transactional interpretation, where wave particles are permitted both forward and backwards. I really feel like this satisfies many aspects of God, such as knowing the past, present and future as one and being able to simultaneously exist at all points (as any standing wave would have indeterminate endpoints, at least for a single particle)

One thing it answers (for me anyway) is the ability of our sins to be retroactively forgiven. For example, humans were doomed to death/Hell before Christ... and we know that through His death on the cross, we are saved. But those who died centuries beforehand wouldn't yet have been saved. Yet if they were already in Hell, they would have no way to get to Heaven retroactively without backwards causation, which CTI allows.

Sorry, I've been reviewing schoolwork all week. Any thoughts?

 

[Classik]

Quantum mech. seems to make some sense or could really take different interpretation...

But, God Himself is like a huge Sphere. You may see one side and other sides are hidden. Keep going round the sphere keep getting confused more and more..
Can we really see through the shpere? Do we know what's inside? Even the part we may see is not completely understood.

Doesn't such a sphere allow for a wider view??? Sure!!! Spheres do.

That's how His goodness, glory, power etc is revealed unto us - but the eyes fail to see - and of course see less and know less.
3-D and the rest won't help


Yet the least we see testifies of His existence...:D

 

[God's_gift]

Quantum mech. seems to make some sense or could really take different interpretation...

But, God Himself is like a huge Sphere. You may see one side and other sides are hidden. Keep going round the sphere keep getting confused more and more..
Can we really see through the shpere? Do we know what's inside? Even the part we may see is not completely understood.

Doesn't such a sphere allow for a wider view??? Sure!!! Spheres do.

That's how His goodness, glory, power etc is revealed unto us - but the eyes fail to see - and of course see less and know less.
3-D and the rest won't help


Yet the least we see testifies of His existence...:D

;)the remnant of Einstein

 

[Classik]

;)the remnant of Einstein

Força Einstein!!! Ich liebe................Einstein

 

[wayseer]

Okay, so I know thermodynamics is usually used to show a scientific rationale for God, but lately I've been wondering if quantum mechanics would be a better model (or at least a different one).

I'm not necessarily speaking of the Copenhagen interpretation, although the observer requirement could arguably only be satisfied by an eternal being such as God (as esse est percepi for multiple mortals would fragment reality into a multi-world paradigm).

I was thinking more of the Cramer transactional interpretation, where wave particles are permitted both forward and backwards. I really feel like this satisfies many aspects of God, such as knowing the past, present and future as one and being able to simultaneously exist at all points (as any standing wave would have indeterminate endpoints, at least for a single particle)

One thing it answers (for me anyway) is the ability of our sins to be retroactively forgiven. For example, humans were doomed to death/Hell before Christ... and we know that through His death on the cross, we are saved. But those who died centuries beforehand wouldn't yet have been saved. Yet if they were already in Hell, they would have no way to get to Heaven retroactively without backwards causation, which CTI allows.

Sorry, I've been reviewing schoolwork all week. Any thoughts?

Yes - what about entropy? Where does that fit in with your ideas?

 

[Potluck]

Hey DarkHorse
Mind if I call ya that? It's shorter and Dark doesn't suit you.
Over my head with Quantum mechanics. Stuff scares me sometimes.
:

Anyway, I believe as we look back in faith to Christ's death, burial and resurrection for salvation so too did those in the past look forward in faith to His death, burial and resurrection for salvation. A lot of it if not all was prophesied in the OT.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

Yes - what about entropy? Where does that fit in with your ideas?

Entropy, good point

So with mainstream thermodynamics, the argument so often used (correctly, at least for the universe as a closed system) is that the high state of order that we're gradually sliding down does not fit without an outside force to have set it that way. So essentially, the amount of entropy can only increase, which begs the question of how it was originally so much lower.

However, I'll admit that entropy does tend to weaken some aspects of quantum mechanics due to its very rare quality of being unidirectional. Most particles and waves can move either direction, but chaos can only increase along what we consider to be "forward" in time. I read a paper on this, but it was over my head a bit. The essence I think was that 2T disallows the math needed for most quantum interpretations. But that's assuming we know everything about thermodynamics, which no sane person would suggest is currently the case.

 

[Drew]

Sorry, I've been reviewing schoolwork all week. Any thoughts?

I know a little bit about quantum theory (physics at University + subsequent reading). I have never heard of the Cramer interpretation.

I sometimes wonder whether the apparent non-determinism of quantum mechanics provides "room" for God to bend events in the world according to His purposes.