Question about "Nephilim"

[watchman F]

Apparently the Nephilim did not have children. When the global deluge arrived in Noah's 600th year (Gen 7:11), the materialized angels, "sons of the true God", dematerialized and returned to the spirit realm, unable to materialize again. However, the Nephilim were drown when the flood waters overwhelmed the earth, to a depth of about 22 feet.("fifteen cubits", Gen 7:19, 20) Only the descendants of Noah's three sons are on the earth today.(Gen 10:1)

The apostle Peter wrote that Jesus, after his resurrection from the dead, "went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water."(1 Pet 3:19, 20)

What was their disobedient act ? Genesis 6:2 says that these took "wives for themselves" from among "the daughters of men". The result were unauthorized hybrid offspring, Nephilim. Jude reveals that these "angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day."(Jude 6)

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the expression "sons of the true God" only applied to angels, as at Job 1:6, and at Job 38:7, whereby the Jewish Targums reads "the bands of angels", and the Greek Septuagint as "my angels". Angels have materialized on several occasions, such as at Genesis 19:1, 32:1 and Judges 6:11, even eating a meal.(Gen 19:3)

With all due respect nadab, we are discussing the Bible on this forum, not science fiction. Seems like you have confused the two.

 

[nadab]

Watchman F,

Please tell what the "crime" was that the apostle Peter meant when he said that "the spirits in prison (or angels), who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed" at 1 Peter 3:20 ?

 

[watchman F]

Watchman F,

Please tell what the "crime" was that the apostle Peter meant when he said that "the spirits in prison (or angels), who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed" at 1 Peter 3:20 ?

The angels are not the spirits that were in prison and there is nothing in the context of 1st Peter 3 that would indicate that they were.

1st Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Furthermore your ''idea'' that angels materialized then un-materialized, unable to materialized again is 100% absolutely unbiblical.

 

[nadab]

Watchman F,

Please tell what the "crime" was that the apostle Peter meant when he said that "the spirits in prison (or angels), who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed" at 1 Peter 3:20 ?

The angels are not the spirits that were in prison and there is nothing in the context of 1st Peter 3 that would indicate that they were.

1st Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Furthermore your ''idea'' that angels materialized then un-materialized, unable to materialized again is 100% absolutely unbiblical.

Watchman F,

The "spirits in prison" are angels that disobeyed God and became demons.(Matt 8:31) Have you not read where Jude spoke of "angels (that) did not keep their original position (in heaven) but forsook their own proper dwelling place" at Jude 6. You also never answered the question of what "crime" these wicked angels or demons did "when the patience of God was waiting in Noah's days" and why they are "in prison".(1 Pet 3:20) You circumvented it entirely.

In addition, have you not read of where Jesus, after his resurrection, materialized to his disciples on several occasions, even eating a meal with them.(Luke 24:36-43) Or of the two angels that materialized and met up with Lot in Sodom.(Gen 19:1) Angels have materialized several more times, as when an angel came to Jacob, grappling with him, after Jacob had left his father-in-law Laban.(Gen 32:24-30; Hos 12:4)

 

[watchman F]

Watchman F,

Please tell what the "crime" was that the apostle Peter meant when he said that "the spirits in prison (or angels), who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed" at 1 Peter 3:20 ?

The angels are not the spirits that were in prison and there is nothing in the context of 1st Peter 3 that would indicate that they were.

1st Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Furthermore your ''idea'' that angels materialized then un-materialized, unable to materialized again is 100% absolutely unbiblical.

Watchman F,

The "spirits in prison" are angels that disobeyed God and became demons.(Matt 8:31) Have you not read where Jude spoke of "angels (that) did not keep their original position (in heaven) but forsook their own proper dwelling place" at Jude 6. You also never answered the question of what "crime" these wicked angels or demons did "when the patience of God was waiting in Noah's days" and why they are "in prison".(1 Pet 3:20) You circumvented it entirely.[/quote]You have answered you own question with the reference you gave in Jud. They left their first estate ''Heaven'' and followed Lucifer here to Earth.

Jude:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

In addition, have you not read of where Jesus, after his resurrection, materialized to his disciples on several occasions, even eating a meal with them.(Luke 24:36-43) Or of the two angels that materialized and met up with Lot in Sodom.(Gen 19:1) Angels have materialized several more times, as when an angel came to Jacob, grappling with him, after Jacob had left his father-in-law Laban.(Gen 32:24-30; Hos 12:4)

Angels/demons are not Jesus,and neither Jesus, nor Angles/Demons are spirits that simply materialize into bodily form, but both have bodies similar to human bodies. Jesus was resurrected into a immortal perfected body, but a body none the less. Angels/Demons do not reproduce with Humans period.


Give it up, it is science fiction.

 

[nadab]

I will not give up helping others to understand who the Nephilim are nor grasping what the Bible really teaches, but in speaking with you, I will "give it up." Jesus became a spirit upon his resurrection from the dead, for the apostle Paul wrote that Jesus became a "life-giving spirit" at 1 Corinthians 15:45.

 

[Mysteryman]

I will not give up helping others to understand who the Nephilim are nor grasping what the Bible really teaches, but in speaking with you, I will "give it up." Jesus became a spirit upon his resurrection from the dead, for the apostle Paul wrote that Jesus became a "life-giving spirit" at 1 Corinthians 15:45.

nadab and Watchman:

You are both speaking some truth. And both of you are avoiding that which is true.

There are angels like Michael who did manifest in the appearance of a fleshly body here upon the earth, when God sent him here.

Key word "appearance"

Michael did not materlize into a fleshly body.

Neither do devil spirits ! They can not materlize into a fleshly body ! And it is true, they can not and do not have the ability to pro-create ! They were never created for that purpose. If they were, there would be within the Word of God angels being given in marriage in heaven so they could pro-created little baby spirits who cry and poop their pants. < Now, everyone laught at this please, because it is humourous to say the least ! But true !

Lucifer and all his angels who were sent here into the depths of the earth are still spirits. They now have lost the abilities given them when they were in heaven. They no longer can perform that which angels from heaven can do now. Like give an appearance of being a person (man). They lost this power, because God took it away from them. Even angels from heaven can not just come down to earth any time they please. God must command them first.

Now, as far as Jesus Christ. He died . Get it - Dead for three days and three nights. Then God raised him from the dead. He never saw corruption, so he was raised in his incorruptible body. < Not spirit body. That occures after his ascention into heaven.

Jesus did not "materlize" in and out < That is a myth !

God has the ability to close the eyes of mankind any time he wants too. Such was the case with Saul who became Paul on the road to Damascus. Jesus always was , after his resurrection from the dead, in his incorrptible body. He did not materlize in and out ! When they saw him and when they did not was based upon their eyes being opened or closed to him being there .

Love IN Christ - MM

 

[watchman F]

I will not give up helping others to understand who the Nephilim are nor grasping what the Bible really teaches, but in speaking with you, I will "give it up." Jesus became a spirit upon his resurrection from the dead, for the apostle Paul wrote that Jesus became a "life-giving spirit" at 1 Corinthians 15:45.

nadab and Watchman:

You are both speaking some truth. And both of you are avoiding that which is true.

There are angels like Michael who did manifest in the appearance of a fleshly body here upon the earth, when God sent him here.

Key word "appearance"

Michael did not materlize into a fleshly body.

Neither do devil spirits ! They can not materlize into a fleshly body ! And it is true, they can not and do not have the ability to pro-create ! They were never created for that purpose. If they were, there would be within the Word of God angels being given in marriage in heaven so they could pro-created little baby spirits who cry and poop their pants. < Now, everyone laught at this please, because it is humourous to say the least ! But true !

Lucifer and all his angels who were sent here into the depths of the earth are still spirits. They now have lost the abilities given them when they were in heaven. They no longer can perform that which angels from heaven can do now. Like give an appearance of being a person (man). They lost this power, because God took it away from them. Even angels from heaven can not just come down to earth any time they please. God must command them first.

Now, as far as Jesus Christ. He died . Get it - Dead for three days and three nights. Then God raised him from the dead. He never saw corruption, so he was raised in his incorruptible body. < Not spirit body. That occures after his ascention into heaven.

Jesus did not "materlize" in and out < That is a myth !

God has the ability to close the eyes of mankind any time he wants too. Such was the case with Saul who became Paul on the road to Damascus. Jesus always was , after his resurrection from the dead, in his incorrptible body. He did not materlize in and out ! When they saw him and when they did not was based upon their eyes being opened or closed to him being there .

Love IN Christ - MM

Thank you MM, I appreciate your insight.

 

[MMarc]

Check out Chuck Missler on God tv ''on demand'' there is a about 6 episodes of this, very well documented about the days of Noah and the Nephillim.

 

[mamre]

Who or what were the Nephilim? Specifically, where they offspring of angels and humans, or where they completely human? Additionally where they metaphorically, or literally, described in the bible?

Hello Danus,

There is no reason to extrapolate what we read in the Old Testament. It is obvious there are a lot information missing that would explain the composition of peoples in those eras. The same way in one period men lived very long as we see in the case of Adam all the way to Shem's generation, there were also physical variations as to the size of people. Those genes seemed to be preserved in Noah's and afterward when the Israelites encountered these kind of human beings as they entered the Promised land.

So nephilim, or nefalim are simply referred in KJV version of the Bible to the giants type of people. And again you can see there were other giant people referred by other Hebrew designations. Notice the ending ...im or ims.
See, for example:
Deut. 3: 11.
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Deut. 2: 20 (20-21)
20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

Deut. 2: 10 (10-11)
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

As we can see, these are not metaphorical or mythical because the people of Israel have seen them, and in the case of Og, the king of Bashan, even his bed is described. Also, Goliath was one of those descents with genes of giant. The passages above show clearly that there were giants before and after the great flood.



As for the reference to sons of God as opposed to the sons of men, there is no reason to imagining some special creatures coming to earth and having intercourse with the daughters of men. The scriptures don't mention or even hint of such creatures.

When Adam was driven from the Garden of Eden, he called upon God and worship Him and taught his children to worship God and keep his commandments. The OT mentions God direct interactions with Adam and some his sons and daughters. See for example His dialog with Cain.

The OT also says that Adam and Eve begot many sons and daughters and they paired by marriage and started to fill the earth. It stands to reason, then, that some of those children would be faithful to God and others would not care, as for example, Cain. So, it would not be strange to say that those that followed God and kept His commandments and did everything He told them to do would be referred as the sons of God, because that is what they wanted to be. Therefore, it would be a differentiation between them and those that couldn't care less about the Father. And, so the faithful were called the sons and daughters of God and the others were the sons and daughters of men (because these chose not to be of God but rely on themselves).

An evidence of people that wanted to be like God can be seen in Genesis 5:3
"And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:"
Notice how the text stresses that Seth was in the likeness of his father (Adam) "after his image;" Were not Abel or Cain men just like Adam was? Weren't they begotten by a human being, therefore, in his likeness?

However, of Seth this is stressed indicating more then merely being of the same species. The scriptures shows that this was a son that walked righteously like his father, a man that followed the commandments of God. Furthermore, in verse 1 we read:
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" So the stress in verse 3 compares that Seth being begotten by Adam in his likeness, with Adam being begotten in the likeness of God; which indicates that Seth was righteous as his father Adam, and therefore he could truly be called a son of God. And there were many others that were faithful as Seth was. They were the sons and daughters of God.

You can see that the real difference is truly between two fundamental concepts: Divine (of God) and mundane (of the world/men).
In time, younger generations of the followers of God fell into the temptation of the world and decided to mingle with the world by marrying their daughters. It is easy to see that the children of these marriages would be less inclined to follow the precepts of God. And so it was that, gradually the people of God were almost extinct except for Noah and his family.
mamre

 

[JohnEboy1983]

This is what Chuck Missler who was on "It's Supernatural" with Sid Roth believes. Tell me what you think? Just hit play.

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr= ... iv_ctrl=-1

 

[freeway]

A question for watchman F?

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.â€

This of course this is right after the fall of man, so tell me, we know who the seed of woman is "Jesus" through her blood line "children" generation after generation until Jesus comes and destroys the works of the serpent on the cross.
Now who is this seed of the serpent?
If this angel has left his former state, heaven, where we are told they do not have sex, marriage. So who or what is this "serpent's" seed?.. his offspring?..who is this refering to?

 

[Mysteryman]

A question for watchman F?

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.â€

This of course this is right after the fall of man, so tell me, we know who the seed of woman is "Jesus" through her blood line "children" generation after generation until Jesus comes and destroys the works of the serpent on the cross.
Now who is this seed of the serpent?
If this angel has left his former state, heaven, where we are told they do not have sex, marriage. So who or what is this "serpent's" seed?.. his offspring?..who is this refering to?

I believe for the most part, that people just do not understand the usage of the words "seed" here.

No angels can pro-create, which means that they have no seed of themselves. Yet, when you read this verse, it indicates that the devil has seed.

Well, let me also inform you that the woman, who was Eve, does not have seed of herself either. Because a womn does not have seed. The words "her seed" deals with her male offspring. Yes, Jesus does come in the future, we know that. However, there is a meaning for the time that this was handed down by God , that he would put enmity between thy seed and her seed.

Enmity simply means to battle against. Or constant conflict.

What many people do not realize, is that angels as well as God himself do not have a literal gender.

In otherwords, spirits can not begat spirits , in the sense of pro-creation.

God is our heavenly Father, but I also have an earthly father. Both brought me into this world. God opens up the womb of a woman, and my father planted his seed .

God being the Father of us all, is understood from the fact that he opens the womb of a woman.

God being God, allowed himself 'One seed" and this seed was Spirit. Christ came into the world. He called the Spirit of God his Father. And rightly so. God planted his seed into Mary. But not by the method of pro-creation. The seed from the Father brought Christ into the world. Which means that he put His Spirit into the ovum of Mary. Christ is the seed son of God. This is why he is called the "Only begotten Son of God. But since Spirit can not begat Spirit literally. Spirit can be put into. So .God put His Spirit into Mary. Jesus was the son of man as well as the son of God. The Spirit of God was in the flesh man Jesus. Not totally, but partially. We call it the seed portion.

By now your asking how I tie this all in with the enmity of the two seeds. First I needed to show that God can not literally pro-create. That would take Spirit with Spirit, because everything is after its own kind. Dog begats dog, horse begats horse , cow begats a cow , rabbit begats a rabbit and so on.

Satan can deceive as well as possess people, but he can not pro-create.

Now, here is something many never considered >> When angels come down from heaven, they are sent by God. They appear in the image of a man, never a woman. There is a reason for this. A man represents authority within the Word of God. A woman is to submit, correct ?

But what about a rebellious woman ? A rebellious woman will not submit to the authority of a man.

Lucifer while in heaven, rebelled against God and his authority. While in heaven all angels have the male authority given them. But because "he" did rebell, God cast him down into the depths of the earth. He no longer has what is called, male authority. Because he was rebellious, after God cast him down, he no longer was a male. He became a female within the gender understanding. Lucifer < male - became Satan < Female, and still rebellious and wanting only authority towards him, or should I say her. In the understanding of the spirit world. Satan is a he, one with authority. But God does not look at Satan as a he, that kind of authority is an authority given by Satan unto himself. God never gave him that authority. So now, God looks at Satan as a she , not a he/male with authority.

So when God tells Satan in Genesis, that I will put enmity between thy seed and her seed < God himself, the one with all of the authority, is calling the serpent (Satan) a she. And because a "she" has no seed of themselves, only those whom follow Satan are her offspring. Jesus said in the gospels - "You are of your father the devil". That is because they are following him as their authoritative figure, and not Christ. They wanted to kill Christ and Christ recognized who they were. They were not liteally the offspring of the devil. But because they gave their authority over to the devil, that is what makes him their father.

But as far as God is concerned, the devil is only a "she" , which is one who does not have authority of her own. Yet he mascarades around as if he is a "he" , male, with authority. When Jesus was talking to Peter, he was looking at Peter and said - "Get thou behind me Satan" < Behind is the way in which a woman walks with her man, showing him as the one in authority. So Jesus was telling "her" to get behind him, because "he" Jesus was in authority ! Satan does not have the authority of God anymore, who use to be Lucifer. Now Satan is a "she", and this is why Christians can command "her" around. Push "her" around, and tell "her" to get behind you. You are in authority, not her !

Sorry this was so long, but everything needed to be said , in order to be clear.

Love IN Christ - MM

 

[Mysteryman]

One thing I would like to add.

God put Lucifer, who is no longer called Lucifer, but Satan the devil, God put him , now a her, into a submissive role.

This is also why "she" - Satan, is called a Whore in the book of Revelation.

Only a woman can be a "whore"

This is why we now treat Satan, as one who does not have any authority from God , our dear heavenly Father. Tell her to get behind you ! All authority is of the dominant male > God. God gave authority unto His Son. This is why we speak with that authority -- through his Son Jesus Christ. And we pray to our dear heavenly Father, "through his Son's name Christ Jesus" !

Love IN Christ - MM

 

[nadab]

At Genesis 6:2, the Greek Septuagint, as contained in the Codex Alexandrine manuscript of the fifth century C.E., renders "sons of the true God" as "angels of God". The translation of the Greek Septuagint was began in about 280 B.C.E., serving as Scripture for all the Greek-speaking Jews and was used extensively down to the time of Jesus and his apostles. Hence, when Jesus and his apostles read Genesis 6:2, they read and clearly recognized that angels came down from heaven, materializing as men and "went taking wives for themselves" from among the "daughters of men."

That is why Peter spoke of these "angels of God" as "spirits in prison (or Tartarus)" who had been "disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah's days, while the ark was being constructed."(1 Pet 3:20) In alluding to this, Peter, in his second letter, wrote: "Certainly if God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tar´ta·rus (as "spirits in prison"), delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment;"(2 Peter 2:4)

Thus, these disobedient angels have been cast into Tartarus, a prisonlike, abased condition. The expression “throwing them into Tartarus†is from the Greek verb tar·ta·ro´o and so includes within itself the word “Tartarus.†A parallel text is found at Jude 6: “And the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness (or Tartartus) for the judgment of the great day.â€

Tartarus is a condition rather than a particular location, inasmuch as Peter, on the one hand, speaks of these disobedient spirits as being in “pits of dense darkness,†while Paul speaks of them as being in “heavenly places†from which they exercise a rule of darkness as wicked spirit forces. (2 Pet 2:4; Eph 6:10-12) The dense darkness similarly is not literally a lack of light but results from their being cut off from illumination by God as renegades and outcasts from his family, with only a dark outlook as to their eternal destiny.

 

[Danus]

Who or what were the Nephilim? Specifically, where they offspring of angels and humans, or where they completely human? Additionally where they metaphorically, or literally, described in the bible?

Hello Danus,

There is no reason to extrapolate what we read in the Old Testament. It is obvious there are a lot information missing that would explain the composition of peoples in those eras. The same way in one period men lived very long as we see in the case of Adam all the way to Shem's generation, there were also physical variations as to the size of people. Those genes seemed to be preserved in Noah's and afterward when the Israelites encountered these kind of human beings as they entered the Promised land.

So nephilim, or nefalim are simply referred in KJV version of the Bible to the giants type of people. And again you can see there were other giant people referred by other Hebrew designations. Notice the ending ...im or ims.
See, for example:
Deut. 3: 11.
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Deut. 2: 20 (20-21)
20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

Deut. 2: 10 (10-11)
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

As we can see, these are not metaphorical or mythical because the people of Israel have seen them, and in the case of Og, the king of Bashan, even his bed is described. Also, Goliath was one of those descents with genes of giant. The passages above show clearly that there were giants before and after the great flood.



As for the reference to sons of God as opposed to the sons of men, there is no reason to imagining some special creatures coming to earth and having intercourse with the daughters of men. The scriptures don't mention or even hint of such creatures.

When Adam was driven from the Garden of Eden, he called upon God and worship Him and taught his children to worship God and keep his commandments. The OT mentions God direct interactions with Adam and some his sons and daughters. See for example His dialog with Cain.

The OT also says that Adam and Eve begot many sons and daughters and they paired by marriage and started to fill the earth. It stands to reason, then, that some of those children would be faithful to God and others would not care, as for example, Cain. So, it would not be strange to say that those that followed God and kept His commandments and did everything He told them to do would be referred as the sons of God, because that is what they wanted to be. Therefore, it would be a differentiation between them and those that couldn't care less about the Father. And, so the faithful were called the sons and daughters of God and the others were the sons and daughters of men (because these chose not to be of God but rely on themselves).

An evidence of people that wanted to be like God can be seen in Genesis 5:3
"And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:"
Notice how the text stresses that Seth was in the likeness of his father (Adam) "after his image;" Were not Abel or Cain men just like Adam was? Weren't they begotten by a human being, therefore, in his likeness?

However, of Seth this is stressed indicating more then merely being of the same species. The scriptures shows that this was a son that walked righteously like his father, a man that followed the commandments of God. Furthermore, in verse 1 we read:
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" So the stress in verse 3 compares that Seth being begotten by Adam in his likeness, with Adam being begotten in the likeness of God; which indicates that Seth was righteous as his father Adam, and therefore he could truly be called a son of God. And there were many others that were faithful as Seth was. They were the sons and daughters of God.

You can see that the real difference is truly between two fundamental concepts: Divine (of God) and mundane (of the world/men).
In time, younger generations of the followers of God fell into the temptation of the world and decided to mingle with the world by marrying their daughters. It is easy to see that the children of these marriages would be less inclined to follow the precepts of God. And so it was that, gradually the people of God were almost extinct except for Noah and his family.
mamre

Thank you mamre, I do hold to this line of thought in relation to scripture.
However, I have heard many other literal thoughts on this subject that loose weight as you go through the bible.

The idea that angels procreated with humans reads like "cotton candy" in the old testament, but like cotton candy, that literal notion dissolves to nothing as I go though scripture. Just like we should not make a meal out of cotton candy, I have a hard time seeing how anyone can prop-up the literal idea of angels breeding with humans as you feed on the the meat and potatoes of the bible as a whole......... I hope my metaphor makes sense.

 

[Danus]

This is what Chuck Missler who was on "It's Supernatural" with Sid Roth believes. Tell me what you think? Just hit play.

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr= ... iv_ctrl=-1

.....here is what I think.......I think Chuck Missler has an impressive resume and that's about it. Apparently even atheist see his rhetoric as blasphemy.
http://www.discord.org/~lippard/Missler.html

 

[JohnEboy1983]

.....here is what I think.......I think Chuck Missler has an impressive resume and that's about it.

I agree, lol. :yes

 

[watchman F]

A question for watchman F?

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.â€

This of course this is right after the fall of man, so tell me, we know who the seed of woman is "Jesus" through her blood line "children" generation after generation until Jesus comes and destroys the works of the serpent on the cross.
Now who is this seed of the serpent?
If this angel has left his former state, heaven, where we are told they do not have sex, marriage. So who or what is this "serpent's" seed?.. his offspring?..who is this refering to?

Well, what we do know is that it is impossible for angel/demon to procreate with humans, so how about this for a thought.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus called the pharisees the children or seed of the devil/serpent. This could be your answer or there may be another, but one thing we do KNOW for a fact is there is no such thing as demon/ human mix breeds.

 

[veteran]

Two accounts in Job does not prove that sons of God means angels and only angels in every occasion through out the O.T.. In the context of Genesis 6 there is no reason anyone should believe that angels had offspring with humans, nor that the giants in the land were the offspring of any union between the sons of God, and the daughters of men regardless of who or what they represent.

It's actually 3 separate OT accounts defining in that time that the "sons of God" then ONLY meant angels, Genesis 6, Job 1 & 2, and 38. The "sons of God" title as used in the NT is connected with the heavenly state of the angels also, because it's actually pointing to our future state after the change to the "spiritual body" which Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15. Christ in Matt.22:30 when answering the Sadducees about the resurrection, said that in the resurrecdtion "they are as the angels of God in heaven". This is also why Apostle John said what he did here...

I Jn 3:1-3
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in Him purifieth himself, even as He is pure.
(KJV)

Thus I'm very surprised that some would choose to stray totally away from the only evidence for that title "sons of God" within Scripture, and in leaning to their own philosophy outside God's Word. With many mysterious events in God's Word, we are not required to always understand HOW an event could take place; we are asked to believe God's Word as written. We are not always going to understand HOW some things could happen, which is why many unbelievers assign God's Word as myth.

The Book of Jude gives us the strongest clue of the HOW of the fallen angels mated with the daughters of men in Gen.6...

Jude 1:6-7
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(KJV)

That example from Jude is about those "sons of God" (angels) in Genesis 6 that took "wives" of the daughters of men as written. We're told they "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation". What might that mean? It definitely means they somehow left their original state when coming to the earth to take "wives" of the "daughters of men". The "Even as" is like a conjunction which continues what it was they did, put in comparison to what those of Sodom and Gomorrah did with the practice of fornication by going after strange flesh. In those two Jude verses we're being shown those angels didn't keep their original estate and habitation, meaning they actually did come to earth. And, their sin is connected with the sin of fornication, going after strange flesh.

So someone who chooses to disregard the Scripture as written because they have difficulty in understanding how something like that could happen, that's OK. But it's not OK to add a totally foreign interpretation to the Scripture where we are clearly shown those angel's sin involved a sin of fornication.