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Real Faith

Kidron

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Saint, we live in the physical realm in a mortal body that is going to die unless Jesus comes back to get us before our death.
And every healing of our body is a temporary fix, ...every healing miracle that Jesus ever created in the New Testament was a temporary fix, as the person he healed eventually died.
Jesus raised a lot of people from the dead and later they died, again.
Jesus healed lots of people....the bible says the world could not contain all the books John 21:25 if every miracle of Jesus was described and sited....and every one of those who were healed, eventually died.
This is because all healing miracles are temporary, and only last as long as the body lives.

So, if you have been paying attention to my Threads and my responses then by now you should have become very familiar with the truth that says you as a born again Son of God have divine rights and divine status in the family of God.
You have a royal position in God's family that is created by born again birthright which gives you the same authority as Jesus has, as you are become a Son of God just like he is a Son of God.
You have, just as Christ has... full access to all that God has, all that God is, and all that God can do....right now.
Thats your legal covenant right based on you being born again.
Thats your position in God's family, as you are an "heir of God", and a Son of God.
With this position of status comes the authority you have been given by God...as Christ in you is the very power of God on tap.

And God's power is your power.., as God's power is in you, because He is in you.
"Christ in you, the hope of glory"....Colossians 1:27
You are in Christ, Christ is in you, and God is in all.
We are one....John 17:20,21
We are one in righteousness with God, we are one in power with God, we are one in authority with Christ.
When God sees you, he sees you as HE sees you, and you have to begin to understand how he sees you.
Saint, he no longer sees you as lowly- lost- powerless -sinner -filthy rag-nothing.
He now sees you as his righteousness and as his heir and as his Child.

Now what does God have?
He has control......He controls it all.
He has ownership....He owns it all.
He has authority....Authority over it all.
The winter becomes the spring because God controls it.
The waves stop at the beach and roll back into the ocean, because God controls it.
Stars wink at you from the sky at 1am because God hung them there to shine like electric diamonds in the night.
The sun is just far enough away not to cook us and just close enough so that its rays make everything green and warm, because he controls it.
You dont fly off a spinning earth-globe because God controls it.
Satan cant kill us all asap, because God controls it.
You are reading this because God gave you breath and another day to read and grasp the light im giving you, because God controls it.
And this control, God's supernatural authority to run the natural world he created through the Word, is the same supernatural power that is in Christ that is in you.
Its IN you.

Your bible tells you that Christ is the head of all things and that by him all things were made......Colossians 1:16-18
And this maker of all things is IN YOU., and you are "IN Christ".
You bible tells you that he was in the world and the world was made by him.
John 1:10
This same Word made flesh, this same Lord Jesus Christ, this same maker of all things, is the same Jesus who lives in you.
His power is your power.
His glory is your glory.
His ability to do all things, is your ability to "do all things through Christ"....Philippians 4:13.

Jesus told you that he is the vine and you are the branches...John 15:5...and you can do nothing without his power.
That is to say, in your own ability, you can do nothing in the spiritual realm to create a change in the earthly realm.
This is because the miracle working power is HIS power, and we access it, because it lives in us and we live and have our being "in Christ" who is in God.
Remember that Paul said, "it is not i that liveth, but Christ that liveth in me"....Galatians 2:20
That is your identity.
That is who you truly are right now.
You are not who you were before you were born again.
You are now become the property of Christ the redeemer, and you are bought with a bloody price, 1st Corinthians 6:20 and this eternal purchase of your soul and body, has recreated and restored you anew as a brand new spiritual being, a new creature, "in Christ"....2nd Corinthinans 5:17.
Now get that.
Grab that and meditate on this truth.
And this is why the bible tells you to renew your mind.
Its because when you take the Word of God and feed yourself its truth and revelation, then your mind is reshaped by the power of the Word to match your status as a new spiritual being "in Christ.
And right here is the disconnect that so many have, regarding understanding their true status and authority as a new spiritual being "in Christ" that God has recreated them to be... and how they see themselves.
And once you are able to reconnect yourself to the reality of God's viewpoint of your status, then everything changes in your Christian life from that moment.
It can never be the same, as it will escape the carnal viewpoint of your understanding and will elevate to the actual and true understanding that you must see yourself as God sees you.
This is a revelation of Light, and you need to grab it and hold it and meditate on it until it is affirmed in your heart and mind so that you never again lose sight of who you really have become in God's family.
Get this revelation, accept your position of legal authority in God's family and allow it to recreate your entire comprehension of who you are in Christ in God.
Renew your mind with the Word so that your mind becomes like the Word.
Saint....this revelation of who you are, as God birthed you to be, will change your world into his world..

Listen, the most important revelation you will even engage, other then your need for Christ's atonement, is the understanding of who you are in Christ as GOD has designed you to be and as he now sees you.
You are a Royal Priesthood family member with CHRIST's AUTHORITY...1st Peter 2:9
The reason this is vital for you to believe.....is because its true....and its from this foundation of revelation truth that your entire ability to serve him ends and Christ's ability to serve him through you begins.
Now get that.

Listen closely..
We as believers are born again into the spiritual realm where God exists and lives.
Remember that ...God is A Spirit".....he's not just spirit and hes not just any spirit.
He is ">A< Spirit", and that means a specific type, and the type is "Holy", and the nature is "Father".
We have been translated into his Kingdom of Light, and God lives inside holy convicting light that no man can approach.....1st Timothy 6:16.,.. yet we are seated next to God with Jesus, right now, Ephesians 2:6 in God's light, and that is because we are his remade, restored, redeemed, "Children of Light"...1st Thessalonians 5:5 .
And Jesus is the Word and the Light made flesh ....John 1:8,14.
And we are altogether "ONE"..John 17:21
This holy kingdom of Light, this Kingdom of Christ, lives in us and it has within itself the power to change our natural realm of circumstances.
That is the idea.
Thats the work of God, and thats our work on his behalf using his power that is our power, that is in us.
You have divine and direct access to the realm of God's existence, that is to say, his power and his authority to work supernaturally in the earth realm because you are a LEGAL BIRTHRIGHT POSITIONED Son of God and an heir of God.

See, Jesus was on earth in the natural realm as a man, but he was divine as God in the flesh and this is why he could do miracles.
And now, this innate divinity is born again seeded within you., and that is why you are able to do the same works as Jesus.
Once you understand this and can accept it and believe it, you can then begin to use what God has designed you to use and become who he planned for all of us to become......= just like Christ.
See, we are not just to be conformed to his nature, we are to be conformed to his authority to use his supernatural power in the natural realm.
We are to use the power of heaven that is within us on earth just as Christ did.
That is your "conformed to his image", that is your ministry.....that is your life that has been redeemed for this very purpose.
You have the power to do the supernatural because the supernatural realm of God lives within you right now.

Now, what is "Real Faith"...?

All real faith is, is the ability of a Son of God to tap into the divine power of his Father God that is already THERE IN YOU...
And the way you do this, the way you use your faith as a force of God's supernatural power, is to come to the knowledge of why your faith has to work when you believe.
Faith has to work because of who you are "In Christ".
Its your right to have your prayers answered because this is the right of a Son of God to expect his Father to hear and answer.
God the Father, set up the faith system to work, based on you realizing that it has to because of who you are related to who he is, and he is your Father and you are his child.
Its a love connection between a Father and a child that is the eternal cord of answered prayer.
God is love and he loves you and he has adopted you and as a family member you have the right of an "heir" to access all God has, all God is, and all that God can do, by legal right.........and prayer's being answered is your right as a family member.

Christ cannot fail, and God cannot fail, and faith that is real, is simply the understanding of why Faith has to work., and it works because it cant fail if you believe you are involving God who cant fail on behalf of a child he died to adopt.
Do u think he would die for you and then refuse to answer your prayers?
Do u think he would establish you as a legal member of his family and then deny your rights as a Son of God?
Its impossible.

Listen, how can faith fail if God is in you and its his power that faith releases?
Can God fail?, then neither can faith, because all faith is, is the release of God's supernatural power that is in you, to change and correct a circumstance in the natural on your behalf because you are his child with rights in his Kingdom family.
Faith always overrides and masters the natural circumstance because the power of God that faith releases is...Supernatural.

And you say...
Ok, i understand that, but how do I tap into it and use it as Christ did.
Simple.
U understand who you are according to God and from this understanding of your status, you recognize that its your right to have your prayers answered by a God who cant fail his child, ever..
This is explained in Jude 1:20, when he tells you to "build up YOURSELF in your most holy faith", which means that you understand who you are as God sees you and that is in context of "renewing your mind in Romans 12:2 so that your mind understands your position as a Son of God as God has positioned you to be "in Christ"..
Saint, your "real faith" will become real faith as soon as you are able to recognize in your heart and your spiritual understanding your position in God's family.
This transforming revelation will cause your prayer of faith to be generated and empowered by the true knowledge of your authentic legal status in God's family to have it answered... Whereas before this revelation... your prayers were not answered because you were basing you hope for their answer on your feelings and on your behavior which always cause you to doubt.
And real faith begins and doubt ends as just as soon as you see yourself as God sees you in his family = the Royal Priesthood with heavenly rights.
Thats you., as God sees you.





K
 
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Because of my “Real Faith†in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ I have been granted eternal life, and as the adopted son of the Most High God, I understand I have several God given rights.
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I have the right to obey the Most High God. (Hebrews 5:7-10)<O:p</O:p
I have the right to humble myself before the Almighty God. (Matt. 18:1-4)<O:p</O:p
I have the right to worship at the feet of Jesus. (Luke 7:44-50)
I have the right to suffer. (1 Peter 5:6-11)<O:p</O:p

There are many more verses that explain my right to deny myself and to obey and worship the Almighty God, but for the sake of brevity I won’t post them. I am grateful beyond words for these rights God has granted me, and will forever be thankful for any other blessing He bestows on me, whether good or bad. Praise God!<O:p</O:p

Be blessed.<O:p</O:p

Toby<O:p</O:p
 
Because of my “Real Faith” in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ I have been granted eternal life, and as the adopted son of the Most High God, I understand I have several God given rights.
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I have the right to obey the Most High God. (Hebrews 5:7-10)<O:p</O:p
I have the right to humble myself before the Almighty God. (Matt. 18:1-4)<O:p</O:p
I have the right to worship at the feet of Jesus. (Luke 7:44-50)
I have the right to suffer. (1 Peter 5:6-11)<O:p</O:p

There are many more verses that explain my right to deny myself and to obey and worship the Almighty God, but for the sake of brevity I won’t post them. I am grateful beyond words for these rights God has granted me, and will forever be thankful for any other blessing He bestows on me, whether good or bad. Praise God!<O:p</O:p

Be blessed.<O:p</O:p

Toby<O:p</O:p

Amen Brother..

and not only do you have the right to trust and obey, you have the right of a Son to do the very works of Christ using God's riches in glory that are yours by legal birthright..
This includes the very Power of Christ within you to execute the will of God as he leads you to do it. <>This is Gods will for you.
He wants you to be a mighty influence and a healing light of conviction where ever you go.
On the job, in the neighborhood, in the family, and on the street.
You have been given the authority of the very Christ whom you serve and you are to use this divine power by faith the same way Christ used it.
To heal, to bless, to convict, to help,.... and you are to let a heart of charity dictate all your relationships all your life.



be blessed,



K
 
There are fourteen definitions of the word authority listed below found in the Strong's Exhausted Concordance in the Greek Dictionary that demonstrates our faith that is Christ. I have listed each definition with scripture to show you the strengths we do have by taking action on Gods word to unleash the Holy Spirit in our own life to be an effective servant to those who need Jesus in their lives to bring that faith that is Jesus which is the life changing promise of Gods word.

1. Freedom - Galatians 5:13; Matthew 23:1-8
2. Influence- Proverbs 11:10, 11; 29:1-3; Matthew 5:16
3. Delegate - Romans 12:3- 4. Jurisdiction - Mark 1:21-28
4. Jurisdiction - Mark 1:21-28
5. Ability - Luke 9:1-5
6. Control - Genesis 1:26-28
7. Force- Malachi 3:1-3; 2 Timothy 15, 16; 3:16, 17
8. Privilege- Acts 8:26-31
9. Strength - Isaiah 40:31; Matthew 26:40, 41
10. Liberty - Galatians 3:10-14; 5:1; 5:13, 14; Matthew 10:16-19
11. Mastery- 1 Corinthians 9:15-27; James 1:12; Rev 2:10
12. Competency - Matthew 7:15-29

Power and Right are the thirteen and fourteen of these definitions all rolled up in the first twelve mentioned. This is an excerpt from my teaching on Power and Authority you can read in full on my website at www.ourchurch.com/member/m/ministering
 
Our position in Christ is.. as he is, so we are in the world.
He has through redemption reestablished us as Sons of God with Christ's authority to execute the will of God in the earth.
Because of our redeemed position within the family of God, we have legal access to God's provision which is designed to be used to meet our personal needs as well as meet all the needs of the ministry as per believer..
Each of us has the same basic ministry.
Some of us have been called into the 5 fold ministry.
In all cases, God's riches in glory have been provided to support and sustain .
We access this divine provision by Real Faith.
(see Thread)




K
 
Our position in Christ is.. as he is, so we are in the world.
He has through redemption reestablished us as Sons of God with Christ's authority to execute the will of God in the earth.
Because of our redeemed position within the family of God, we have legal access to God's provision which is designed to be used to meet our personal needs as well as meet all the needs of the ministry as per believer..
Each of us has the same basic ministry.
Some of us have been called into the 5 fold ministry.
In all cases, God's riches in glory have been provided to support and sustain .
We access this divine provision by Real Faith.
(see Thread)




K

K:

Good post.

'As He is, so are we in this world' (1 John 4.17) is a great verse.
 
Our position in Christ is.. as he is, so we are in the world.
I suggest that all readers who have been following your posts will know that you use our connection to Jesus - our "participation in Christ" - to support and promote a prosperity gospel.

Well, its not that simple. Yes we do "participate" in Jesus and are joint-heirs with Him. But the Scriptural message is more nuanced than this, and we cannot immediately leap to the conclusion that we are promised health and wealth.

Here is a key text:

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, <SUP class=crossreference value='(AI)'></SUP>the firstfruits <SUP class=crossreference value='(AJ)'></SUP>of those who have fallen asleep. <SUP class=crossreference value='(AK)'></SUP><SUP class=versenum>21 </SUP>For since death came through a man, <SUP class=crossreference value='(AL)'></SUP>the resurrection of the dead <SUP class=crossreference value='(AM)'></SUP>comes also through a man. <SUP class=versenum>22 </SUP>For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. <SUP class=crossreference value='(AN)'></SUP><SUP class=versenum>23 </SUP>But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; <SUP class=crossreference value='(AO)'></SUP>then, when he comes, <SUP class=crossreference value='(AP)'></SUP>those who belong to him.

Paul sees Jesus as different from us in an important way - Jesus has gone ahead of us, and we cannot entirely join Him just yet. He has received His resurrection body and has become "the second Adam" already.

Sadly, we are told we need to wait to gain such status.

Your views about health and wealth are, I suggest, arise from taking a fundamental truth - that we are "joint-heirs" with Jesus, and then running amok with that truth, deducing that it should be all wine and roses for us.

I wish the Bible were with you on this, I really do. But Paul tells us that the truth is more complicated and troubling. We have to wait to receive the full outworking of our inheritance.

And that is one reason why the prosperity message is unBiblical.
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I suggest that all readers who have been following your posts will know that you use our connection to Jesus - our "participation in Christ" - to support and promote a prosperity gospel.


This is nonsense.
What you are implying is simply horsefeathers, Drew.
Read my Threads., and after you do, post some quotes, instead of just ranting without even using one of my sentences.
I mean, really.
See, there is nothing about a "prosperity gospel" in them.
Quote me and find out.
However, there is a lot of Light in them, for those that will take the time to find out.




Well, its not that simple. Yes we do "participate" in Jesus and are joint-heirs with Him. But the Scriptural message is more nuanced than this, and we cannot immediately leap to the conclusion that we are promised health and wealth.


The fact is, Jesus IS health, he IS eternal life, and he IS the Lord that gives you the power to get wealth.., unless the word "LORD" in that verse is speaking about another Lord.
So, do you deny that >in Christ< there is no sickness or poverty?
Think about that.
The bottom line is very simple......we ither see Jesus as the suffering messiah, the lamb, the meek and the lowly pre-Cross Christ as the one who is NOW....or we believe our Bible and recognize that the LION the KING is now RISEN, who is no longer the suffering messiah...and so, this LION, this KING OF KINGS...=.this is our current Savior and this is our right now this second connected "in CHRIST" position, = we are "HEIRS" of a KING.........so what does that make you?
It makes you a King's heir.
So, certainly the last thing it should establish you to be is a preacher of sickness and poverty as your role as a King's Son.
Dont you think?

You seem to have this idea that when you read a verse that tells you that you are an "heir of GOD"< this means you are an heir of poverty.

Ive news for you...
The God that saved you owns it all, created it all, and has positioned all of it as part of your CURRENT inheritance.
And you, as a Son of God, should put on the mind of Christ, who KNEW his position, yet was a servant of all.
Christ never misunderstood his position of authority, ither before or after he was crucified or raised from the dead.
Did you ever read Christ's answer to Caiaphas...."I AM, and you shall SEE the Son of man sitting on the right hand of POWER".
So, does that sound like the meek and lowly Jesus being humble and weak and not admitting he is a King going to a Kingdom?
Get real.
And that was said before the cross......:thumbsup
See, you are the heir of that King, and he is THE King with the POWER and that POWER is your Power.......= HEIR.
And we as Christian heirs have access , by Faith, based on our rights as Sons of God, .....just like Christ is a Son of God... to the same inheritance, and the same FATHER.
So, its the will of God that we understand our POSITION IN CHRIST and based on this, we are able to understand that we as God's Sons, ...just like Christ is a Son....have access 24/7, to all that God has, all that God is, and all that God can do..
And knowing this, and acting on it to serve him, must not be confused with someone's sad idea of greed.
Listen....
Everything God has, you own.
And what does he own???
Everything Christ is, you are.
And what is Christ????
You need to find out, because its not sickness and poverty and trying to accept what the devil sends into your life based on some theologically twisted idea that all bad in life is God testing us, and the devil is just an "idea" in a red cape with a pitch fork.
Could it be that the devil is not real to you, and that is why you have this idea that all of the wrong that comes to a Christian has to be a test from God?
Well, i can tell you that the Devil loves it when a Christian spends 20 years sick and broke, accepting it as , "God's test".
This is one of Satan's finest deceptions, if not his best work.

The fact is, we have access by BORN AGAIN BIRTH-RIGHT to all that God has, all that God is, and all that God can do.
So, do you realize what this means regarding the application of your service to him and for him?
You are an heir of God.......this means you have a blood bought eternal connection to God's provision and his blessing and his protection.
Denying it wont change it, it will just create a faithless walk with God situation where you cant access it your entire life.
Dont do that..........Dont be that.

We are to recognize and accept who we are as joint heirs of God "in Christ", act on it, and serve him according to the authority given to us based on our born again position as the heir of a King.
To consider it any other way is to not consider it correctly or biblically, and to try to ignore it, or worse, to deny it, is to deny the very God who created it to be
so.
God is the one who established the entire born again faith system which allows and empowers the redeemed ungodly to have the same standing and authority and provision as Christ.
He set it up, and its our necessity to get the revelation and act accordingly on God's behalf.


K





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