Reason you can not deny

[Henry]

Reasons for Today's House Church Movement

By Nate Krupp, Preparing The Way, Publishers, Salem, OR USA
INTRODUCTION

1. Intro. subject
A. We live in a needy world - the Church should be impacting -
but, much of the Church is impotent and ineffective.
B. God is pouring out new wine - and raising up new wine skins -
open church, cell church, house church, etc. 2. Definitions
A. House church - any group of believers who gather on a
regular basis in one or more homes and see these home meetings
as their primary place of fellowship in the Body of Christ.
B. Movement - there are now thousands of groups all over North
America - and world-wide. It is a quiet, hidden move of God.

REASONS

1. God's original intention for His Church - Biblical basis
A. No mention of church buildings in the New Testament -
(1) Jesus - this one is coming down in three days!
(2) Paul - we are the house of God
(3) Peter - God is making one of living stones
(4) John - one is coming down from heaven B. Old
Testament - New Testament
Old Testament -
(1) special buildings
(2) special priesthood,
(3) special rules & regulations
(4) special sacrifices New Testament -
(1) worship anywhere (John 4:21-24);
(2) all are priests (1Peter 2:9, Rev. 1:6);
(3) led by Spirit, not rules;
(4) Jesus the Sacrifice. C. Early Christian met in their
homes - Acts 2:46, 5:42, 12:12, 16:40, 20:20, Romans 16:3-5, 16:23,
Col. 4:15, Philemon 2, etc.
D. Entire NT written in context of meeting in homes! 2. Easiest
way to reach the lost - believers loving/serving them in every
neighborhood. Especially true in large cities of the world.
3. Simplest most easily reproducible form of church life - for finishing
the task of world evangelization.
4. Home church is a family atmosphere - best place to care for new
converts.
5. Best place to care for one another.
6. An atmosphere which allows the Body to function.
7. This informal, family atmosphere is also the best atmosphere for
believers to discover/exercise their gifts/ministries.
8. All Christians need to be broken of self and selfishness. The
close, personal relationships of home church provide an excellent
place for this to happen.
9. To be prepared for a soon-coming, End-time Revival and Harvest
A. Define revival
B. Revivals in history
C. Joel 2:23 - early and latter rain
D. Soon coming, end-time revival
E. The need to be prepared - what to do with the converts?
F. House church is part of this preparation 10. End-time
Restoration before Christ Returns
A. Acts 3:19-21
B. Restoration concept
C. Early Church model
D. Church departed - Rev. ch. 2-3, 350 AD, Dark Ages
E. Restoration began about 1100 AD
F. Today - God is restoring the Church to His original intent -
purity, love, authority, power, purpose, pattern, fruitfulness 11. To be
prepared for coming end-time Persecution
A. Coming end-time persecution - Mat. 24:9-14
B. Need to be prepared
C. Home church is part of the needed preparation

CONCLUSION
God is definitely saying and doing something around the world today
in leading His Church back to the New Testament model. What does
this mean for YOU?



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[gingercat]

CONCLUSION
God is definitely saying and doing something around the world today
in leading His Church back to the New Testament model. What does
this mean for YOU?

I believe people who are willing to have house church are much more effective in working for the Lord's purpose.

 

[Sothenes]

Reasons for Today's House Church Movement

By Nate Krupp, Preparing The Way, Publishers, Salem, OR USA

I think that if we have an extensive House Church movement, we will have people unqualified to teach.

I discussed this on Premier before they took their forums down.

 

[gingercat]

I think that if we have an extensive House Church movement, we will have people unqualified to teach.

House church don't have any teachers. Every individual will be responsible for their own walk with the Lord.

 

[thessalonian]

I think that if we have an extensive House Church movement, we will have people unqualified to teach.

House church don't have any teachers. Every individual will be responsible for their own walk with the Lord.

No teachers? Paul made a mistake then. He said their should be teachers.

Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,

2Tim.2
[24] And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to every one, an apt teacher, forbearing,


1Tim.3
[2] Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher,



James goofed as well.
Jas.3
[1] Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness.

 

[gingercat]

I think that if we have an extensive House Church movement, we will have people unqualified to teach.

House church don't have any teachers. Every individual will be responsible for their own walk with the Lord.

No teachers? Paul made a mistake then. He said their should be teachers.

Eph.4
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,

2Tim.2
[24] And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to every one, an apt teacher, forbearing,


1Tim.3
[2] Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher,



James goofed as well.
Jas.3
[1] Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness.

I am sure there is going to be some one who are resorceful than others. It should not be ligalistic as the organized churches.

 

[thessalonian]

House church don't have ANY TEACHERS.

I am sure there is going to be some one who are resorceful than others.

Paul calls them teachers. I go with him. Isn't Henry's arguement about buildings that there is no mention of buildings? Yet Paul does mention teachers and you come up with excuses. Sad.

 

[gingercat]

House church don't have ANY TEACHERS.

[quote:3db78]I am sure there is going to be some one who are resorceful than others.

Paul calls them teachers. I go with him. Isn't Henry's arguement about buildings that there is no mention of buildings? Yet Paul does mention teachers and you come up with excuses. Sad.[/quote:3db78]

It seems you are the one with the legalism. Theachers are who can help others to teach. I always find some one to help me. They are all my teachers. I am my kids' tercher too. Someone who can help me on this borad are my teachers too.

 

[Fulton Sheen's Warrior]

+JMJ+


According to sacred Scripture to have designated teachers is something promoted.

Deacon:

Deacons in like manner: chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre – Timothy 3:8

Let deacons be the husbands of one wife: who rule well their children and their own houses – 1 Timothy 3:12

Priest:

And when they had ordained to them priests in every church and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed. – Acts 14:22

For this cause I left thee in Crete: that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee: - Titus 1:5

Bishop:

Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood. Acts 20:28

Paul and Timothy, the servants of Jesus Christ: to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons. – Philippians 1:1

A faithful saying: If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth good work- 1 Timothy 3:2

For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud, not subject to anger, nor given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre – Titus 1:7


God love you,

Fulton

 

[thessalonian]

It seems you are the one with the legalism.

It seems you don't know me and like to make such statements about me with very limited information.

Did you mean ANY TEACHERS above or not. Apparently not. Are there leaders in your Churches? The scriptures say:


[17]
Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Oh, there I go again being legalistic.

 

[gingercat]

It seems you are the one with the legalism.

It seems you don't know me and like to make such statements about me with very limited information.

I think I know you very well, You have been saying pleany to expose yourself, dear. :wink:

 

[thessalonian]

It seems you are the one with the legalism.

It seems you don't know me and like to make such statements about me with very limited information.

I think I know you very well, You have been saying pleany to expose yourself, dear. :wink:

:-?

God bless you gingercat

 

[Sothenes]

I think that if we have an extensive House Church movement, we will have people unqualified to teach.

House church don't have any teachers. Every individual will be responsible for their own walk with the Lord.

That is why they are unqualified.

 

[Sothenes]

House church don't have ANY TEACHERS.

[quote:1e92e]I am sure there is going to be some one who are resorceful than others.

Paul calls them teachers. I go with him. Isn't Henry's arguement about buildings that there is no mention of buildings? Yet Paul does mention teachers and you come up with excuses. Sad.

It seems you are the one with the legalism. Theachers are who can help others to teach. I always find some one to help me. They are all my teachers. I am my kids' tercher too. Someone who can help me on this borad are my teachers too.[/quote:1e92e]

Such a person would never get to teach in my Church because the people would be afraid of error and without Biblical safeguards, people like Jim Jones and any crackpot that wants to get up in front of people would be crawling around in those house Churches. A lot of people have come forward to my pastor and have asked him to turn over part of the congregation to other people because the ones doing the asking are wicked and crazy.

In the church context, you wouldn't know what the pastor was saying is right and they wouldn't know either unless they were from a Biblical seminary. The pastor is supposed to be taught by someone who was taught. The difference is that they need to be grounded and teaching from precepts that are grounded instead of teaching their own ideas. The danger is the person who teaches and has no structure or formal training. The best Churches in the world have an exegetical and systematic teaching style of the Bible where they teach verse by verse through the Bible.

You just can't have everbody up there teaching because there are many teachers out there whom are not in tune with the Word of God:

“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.†(I Cor. 2:13-14).

I was on a board where the users actually reported other posts to the moderators and the moderators were going by the felt needs of the online community. Unfortunately, felt needs are often wrong just as Aaron catered to the felt needs (Exodus 32:4) of the community. A point system would hurt early believers who believed that making molten images like calfs were wrong in favor of the ones who acted in the majority.

The process of keeping unity on the board was based on moderating things which were biblical in favor of those things which weren't biblical in favor of making people happy.

Some things which are evil are hard to discern and it takes discipline and patience to detect things. I feel that the measure is the Word of God and not a point system. The Word of God is perfect because it is based on God and a point system is not perfect because it is based on man.

That is why self regulation and letting the people do what they want is catering to what people want and not what people need. If you want to do some research, the Bible said that people did what was right in their own eyes and having house churches where the teachers are not qualified are a prime example of doing what is right in your own eyes because you aren't necessarily doing what is right in God's eyes.

 

[Henry]

Heresy has not come from small undeducated groups, rather from well educated men with large followings.

The house churches do have teachers, and with our technologie these days you can go on line and read all sorts of teachings byu house church folks. It is not a free for all, that is the wrong idea.

What qualifies a teacher is God.

http://www.ntrf.org is a great house church teaching site.

Also, you should know that 99.99% of house churches are started by respected and educated and experienced pastors. Or better said ex pastors they do not call themselves that more.

Do some homework, before making too many assumptions.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Also, you should know that 99.99% of house churches are started by respected and educated and experienced pastors

Same can be said about Pastors, or whatever you want to call them, of churches. Both home churches and church buildings have the potential for problems. Ignoring such a reality is rather convenient and a poor way to argue for something. The fact remains, as before in another similar topic, no biblical proof exists that proves church buildings are sinful.

 

[Sothenes]

Also, you should know that 99.99% of house churches are started by respected and educated and experienced pastors. Or better said ex pastors they do not call themselves that more.

Do some homework, before making too many assumptions.

I went to college and as a result, I do not believe statistics without sources and I do not believe your statistic. I took Statistics in college and I know how people quote statistics which are not fully representative of the truth.

Who says that they are 'respected' and 'experienced' pastors and by what standards do they qualify as 'respected' and 'experienced'? I know real pastors whom are students at theology schools and they cry in church to God because they feel inadequate to minister so by their own standards, they don't measure up while you say that house pastors are 'respected'. Respected by whom? There isn't a large enough church government at most house churches to call it representative of society, the church as a whole, etc. Also, what part of the licensing part of pastors makes a pastor 'respected'? The fact that they can pass a state knowledge test doesn't make them respected in my book because I have gone up against pastors teaching error which means the fact that they are pastors doesn't make them immune from criticism.

 

[Henry]

You are missing the point, the bible does not teach or advicate the pastorate in the first place. You are coming from this with a institutional and heirchial mindset, and that is the wrong way to see it.

The house churches are not heirachial, the leaders are not rulers and they have no authority over others. The bible does not allow for that in the church, Jesus himself said NOT YOU.

The leadership in the bible was that of reputation, it was based on relationship and by example. No one was the master of anyone one else in the church.

Oh and this "I went to college" so what> I did to and seminary and Clinincal Pastoral Education and work with clergy on a day to day basis as a chaplain. So what you went to college what does that have to do with these things being biblical or not.

LOL, in seminary I am always arguing becuase 99% of what is taugth is not biblical and they call themselve bible teachers.

 

[Sothenes]

Also, you should know that 99.99% of house churches are started by respected and educated and experienced pastors. Or better said ex pastors they do not call themselves that more.

Do some homework, before making too many assumptions.

Most polls have an error rate of + or - 4 percent and that is why I don't believe your statistic.

 

[Sothenes]

You are missing the point, the bible does not teach or advicate the pastorate in the first place. You are coming from this with a institutional and heirchial mindset, and that is the wrong way to see it.

The house churches are not heirachial, the leaders are not rulers and they have no authority over others. The bible does not allow for that in the church, Jesus himself said NOT YOU.

Hbr 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation.

Hbr 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.

What do you call the council in Acts 15?