We should remember an important fact—creationist and evolutionist thinking about spillover continues to make a significant contribution to our understanding of erosion of Grand Canyon.
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thanks for the infoWe should remember an important fact—creationist and evolutionist thinking about spillover continues to make a significant contribution to our understanding of erosion of Grand Canyon.
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a current day short term example of what you are sayingWe should remember an important fact—creationist and evolutionist thinking about spillover continues to make a significant contribution to our understanding of erosion of Grand Canyon.
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Even most creationists now aknowledge that the Grand Canyon could not have been formed by a sudden rush of water. Entrenched meanders demonstrate that the canyon was cut gradually, when uplift of the Colorado plateau trapped the river into its channel from which it gradually cut into the underlying rock.
There is no physical way a sudden rush of water could cut such meanders. If someone can show the stream mechanics that would allow it, I'd be happy to see them.
Who says a sudden rush of water cut the meanders? Many argue a large lake had water running from it for quite a while and formed a meandering template for the larger rush of water that would enlarge the meandering pre-existing water pathway.
The GC was formed post flood.That won't work. As in the scablands flood, a huge rush of water will erase meanders and gouge out a large u-shaped valley. Hydrology 101.
Entrenched meanders can only form in slow-moving old rivers that are uplifted and rejuvenated, as the colorado plateau is. The reason they meander is that slow-moving water cuts outside corners and builds up inside corners. Uplift speeds the process and "entrenches" the stream in an existing bed. Cataclysmic floods like the one that formed the Scablands, erases meanders.
The GC was formed post flood.
Solid rock? Really?The flood would then have to be many, many millions of years ago; the river cuts down through layers of solid rock, which by actual measurements would take many millions of years even in the straighter parts of the canyon.
Solid rock? Really?
I don't now how hard the strata was at the time it was gorged...It wasn't soupy nor was it solid.
Yep. In places, over a kilometer high. Near-vertical walls of soft sediment slump after piling up just a few meters. You can see this in the gullies carved out of packed ash at Mt. St. Helens. So we know it was solid rock.
Geologists know it was solid when it was carved out by the river.
Sapping and the side channels can be seen all along the GC.
Reference please.Those were also carved out of solid rock. Most are too deep to have been cut out of softer deposits. They would have just slumped as the deposts at Mt. St. Helens demonstrate.
Are you asserting the Grand Canyon was formed over millions of years with no catastrophic events to speed up the process or screw up the old earth timeline? Why would we believe that when we observed these eventsThat won't work. As in the scablands flood, a huge rush of water will erase meanders and gouge out a large u-shaped valley. Hydrology 101.
Entrenched meanders can only form in slow-moving old rivers that are uplifted and rejuvenated, as the colorado plateau is. The reason they meander is that slow-moving water cuts outside corners and builds up inside corners. Uplift speeds the process and "entrenches" the stream in an existing bed. Cataclysmic floods like the one that formed the Scablands, erases meanders.
Are you asserting the Grand Canyon was formed over millions of years with no catastrophic events to speed up the process or screw up the old earth timeline?
Are you asserting a lot of time and a little bit of water or a lot of water and a little bit of time?
The Guadalupe River flood carved out a gorge about 1 mile (1.6 kilometers) in length.
but because many of the geological formations of Canyon Lake Gorge are virtually indistinguishable from other formations which have been attributed to long term (slower) processes
Diamonds, coal, oil, rubies all assumed to take millions of years all falsified, can be made in days.
Lol! There you go assuming. Need to look at the flood account. Things happening above and below and the depiction is earth destroyed.I'd be surprised if there were catastrophic events over that length of time. There just wasn't one capable of erasing the slow erosion of the riverbed.
Garbage. Water takes the path of least resistance. Your model appears to be a small amount over a large period of time which is unobserved, nor can it be fact-checked against what actually happened. It is not science nor is it compelling.As hydrologists demonstrate, entrenched meanders can only happen with millions of years of constant erosion.
Showed what i had and you dismissed.The collapse of Lake Missoula carved out a much larger area. What no sudden flood can do, is produce entrenched meanders.
Show us an entrenched meander produced by the Guadalupe flood. What do you have?
Which falsifies long term. Your counterparts would have assumed it could never happen and they were proven wrong. Show us where they predicted short term results for formation of diamonds etc. it caught them flat-footed just like soft tissue in dino bones. There is a dating method ignored. Now you are saying the same with the grand canyon. The standard model has the colorado river over a million yrs of time. The problem with that is the mouth of the river lower than the canyon and water does not flow uphill. I could probably produce more examples of quick formation due to catastrophic but in your case faith and commitment cannot be falsified.By synthetic means, we can speed it up rapidly.
I would like to add that quick doesn't necessarily mean a week. It might have taken a year to carve it out, which would be relatively quick, and possibly slow enough to carve meandering. The Black Canyon in Colorado had to have been carved by a deluge, because water doesn't flow uphill.Lol! There you go assuming. Need to look at the flood account. Things happening above and below and the depiction is earth destroyed.
Garbage. Water takes the path of least resistance. Your model appears to be a small amount over a large period of time which is unobserved, nor can it be fact-checked against what actually happened. It is not science nor is it compelling.
Showed what i had and you dismissed.
Which falsifies long term. Your counterparts would have assumed it could never happen and they were proven wrong. Show us where they predicted short term results for formation of diamonds etc. it caught them flat-footed just like soft tissue in dino bones. There is a dating method ignored. Now you are saying the same with the grand canyon. The standard model has the colorado river over a million yrs of time. The problem with that is the mouth of the river lower than the canyon and water does not flow uphill. I could probably produce more examples of quick formation due to catastrophic but in your case faith and commitment cannot be falsified.
Lol! There you go assuming.
Need to look at the flood account.
Garbage. Water takes the path of least resistance.
Your model appears to be a small amount over a large period of time which is unobserved,
Showed what i had and you dismissed.
I would like to add that quick doesn't necessarily mean a week. It might have taken a year to carve it out, which would be relatively quick, and possibly slow enough to carve meandering.
Which falsifies long term.
Your counterparts would have assumed it could never happen
Show us where they predicted short term results for formation of diamonds etc.