Repentance is essential for salvation!

[gideon3213]

Repent: i.e. turn from your sin's. being sincere in you willingness to forsake all that displease's God.

A. Isa 55:6-7 6 Seek the LORD while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near. 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, and He will have mercy on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. (NKJ)

A. Isa 1:16-18 16 "Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, 17 Learn to do good; seek justice, rebuke the oppressor; defend the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 "Come now, and let us reason together," says the LORD, "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool. (NKJ) Note that repentance come's before forgiveness.

In Acts 8 Simon sinned. What was Peter's remedy?

1. Told Simon his sin (v.20-21)
2. Told Simon to "repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart MAY be forgiven you.(V.22)
3. Peter end's by stating root sin's that separated Simon from God. (i.e. bitterness and iniquity v.23)

Jesus came to call people to repentance:

Mt 9:13 "But go and learn what this means: `I desire mercy and not sacrifice.' For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (NKJ)
Mk 2:17 When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (NKJ)

Lk 5:32 "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (NKJ)

Lk 24:46-47 46 Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (NKJ)

Acts 3:26 "To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities." (NKJ)
The 1st word's Jesus preached after His 40 day fast and temptation was "Repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand". (Mt 4:17,Mk 1:15)

The apostles called people to repentance:

Acts 2:38-39 38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 "For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." (NKJ)

Acts 3:19 "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, (NKJ) (Note: repentance is essential for forgiveness!)
Acts 5:31 "Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. (NKJ)

(note: repentance first; than forgiveness of sins.)

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." (NKJ)

Acts 14:15 and saying, "Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, (NKJ)

Acts 17:30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, (NKJ)

Here we see that repentance is commanded by God! Thus it is not optional!
Acts 20:21 "testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (NKJ)

Acts 26:17-18 17 `I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 `to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.' (NKJ)

Acts 26:20 "but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. (NKJ)

II Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long-suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (NKJ)

Heb 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, (NKJ)

This passage make's it clear that repentance is:

1. An elementary principle of Christ.

2. A part of the foundation of the faith. (i.e. salvation)

So when we read all other scripture's that deal with salvation, (i.e. Rom 10:9-11, Eph 2:8-10, I Cor 15:1-11, Lk 18:13, etc.) we must understand that repentance, as a necessary step of salvation, is already understood by the people who received those writing's. (I.e. the Roman's, Ephesians, Corinthian's, etc.) They understood that repentance is a standard part of the gospel that the apostle's taught. Therefore it was a standard part of the gospel that they taught other's. Therefore it was not necessary for the apostle's to repeat in their epistle's these fundamental truth's. For it was clearly taught to them when Paul, Peter, and other's 1st founded the church’s in those region's. And it is essential that we come to understand these truth's as well!

(cont)

 

[gideon3213]

Now let's take a look at the baptism of John. (Baptism is a part of repentance.)

John's baptism was a "baptism of repentance FOR the REMISSION OF SIN'S". (Mk 14) (This baptism was only performed when a person bore "fruit's worthy of repentance" and confessed their sin's; (Mt 3:2-11) And it was the baptism that remitted their sin's. (nothing is mentioned of blood being shed for their sin's. This appears to contradict Heb 9:22. Although people who were baptized into Johns baptism later had to be re-baptized into Jesus.

(Acts 19:3-5))
Acts 26:20 States: "but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. (NKJ))

What doe's it mean to bear "fruit's worthy of repentance" or "do work's befitting repentance"?

For each person it is deferent. It all depends on what their vise's are! For the Tax collector's, it was to stop collecting more than what they were supposed to collect. (Lk 3:12-13), For the solder's, it was to not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and to be content with their wages. (Lk 3:14) For the general assembly it was: "He who has 2 tunic's, let him give to him who has none: and he who has food, let him do likewise." (Lk 3:11) For the rich young ruler it was "Keep the commandment's," and, "sell what you have and give it to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." (Mt 19:16-26, Lk 18:18-27)(note: this man refused to do this: therefore he could not enter the kingdom of heaven. i.e. could not get saved). For Zacchaeus, the chief tax collector it was giving half of his good's to the poor, and making restitution to those he had robbed. (Lk 19:1-10) (note v.9 "...today salvation has come to this house...")

So to sum it up: work's befitting repentance include, but are not limited to; restitution; being generous; in your heart letting go of all things. (sometimes it's necessary to physically sell everything and give it to the poor.); becoming content with wage's,; not bearing false witness, not extorting people; getting rid of all greed and self seeking, refusing to cling to the thing's of the world, etc. God love's us! But He will not tolerate sin! Hence He expresses His love (in part ) with statement's like ".. the goodness of God lead's you to repentance". (Rom 2:4)

2 Tim 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, (NKJ)

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (NKJ)

We are also to turn from (repent) everything of this world:

Lk 14:26-33 26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it-- 29 "lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 "saying, `This man began to build and was not able to finish.' 31 "Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 "Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. 33 "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple. (NKJ)

I Jn 2:15-17 15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world-- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-- is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. (NKJ)

Rom 12:1-2 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. (NKJ)

Jms 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. (NKJ)

(continued)

 

[gideon3213]

Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. (NKJ)

Repentance is the preparation of the heart to be cleansed by Christ's blood; to be water baptized; and to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Repentance is not something that we can do in our own strength; Rom 7 make's it plain that we do not have the ability to repent. Rom 6, and 8 make it plain that the power to repent come's through water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. (Rom 8; no one can "walk according to the Spirit", or "by the Spirit, put to death the deed's of the body", unless they have been baptized in the Spirit). Hence, repentance, when someone is coming to the Lord, is a strong desire to forsake all sin, and to pledge restitution to those who have been wronged by him. (if possible)(Gal 5:22-23, Tit 3:5-8, Rom 8:13-14, Gal 5:16, Rom 15:16, Acts 1:8, 2:1-39, 4:31-33, Rom 8:13,26 (H.S.).

Now. Repentance is not done just once. If we should sin after our conversion, or as we grow in Christ, and come to understand His will; we must repent and conform our will to His: If we don't; we stand in jeopardy of forfeiting our salvation! (see Tit 3:5-8, Mt 7:21-23, I Jn 2:3-6, Ezek 18:4-32, Heb 3:12-14, 6:4-8, 10:26-31, Rom 11:11-22, Jn 15:1-6,Rev 2:5, 14-16,20-23, 3:1-4, 19,9:20, 21, II Pet 2:18-22, I Thes 3:5, II Cor 13:5, I Cor 15:1-2, Rom 8:5-13, 6:7-23, Mt 6:14-15,Mk 11:25-26, Mt 18:21-35, Jms 5:19-20, Lk 12:42-46, Mt 13:3-9,13:18-23 etc. According to these passage's, our work's that we do after our conversion are essential in regard's as to whether or not we will keep the gift of salvation that we have received from Him. He 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, (NKJ) (But this is another subject.)

Act's 11:4-18 4 But Peter explained it to them in order from the beginning, saying: 5 "I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, an object descending like a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came to me. 6 "When I observed it intently and considered, I saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 7 "And I heard a voice saying to me, `Rise, Peter; kill and eat.' 8 "But I said, `Not so, Lord! For nothing common or unclean has at any time entered my mouth.' 9 "But the voice answered me again from heaven, `What God has cleansed you must not call common.' 10 "Now this was done three times, and all were drawn up again into heaven. 11 "At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Caesarea. 12 "Then the Spirit told me to go with them, doubting nothing. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered the man's house. 13 "And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, `Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, 14 `who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.' 15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 "Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, `John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 "If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?" 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." (NKJ)


If you have never repented of your sins, now is the time to do it!

have a great day

 

[Alabaster]

Water baptism is a command for those who are ALREADY saved. Sinners are not required.

 

[gideon3213]

Water baptism is a command for those who are ALREADY saved. Sinners are not required.

Please read my treatise on water baptism. this is the title of the post:

http://www.christianforums.net/f17/water-baptism-essential-salvation-tretise-water-baptism-32174/

 

[Alabaster]

Thanks, gideon, but I'd rather take the bible's view than the study of what religious people think. However, your title is a good statement. When one accepts Jesus Christ as Saviour, repentance needs to happen, but faith to believe in Him comes first.

 

[glorydaz]

Repentance is not done just once[/U]. If we should sin after our conversion, or as we grow in Christ, and come to understand His will; we must repent and conform our will to His: If we don't; we stand in jeopardy of forfeiting our salvation! (see Tit 3:5-8, Mt 7:21-23, I Jn 2:3-6, Ezek 18:4-32, Heb 3:12-14, 6:4-8, 10:26-31, Rom 11:11-22, Jn 15:1-6,Rev 2:5, 14-16,20-23, 3:1-4, 19,9:20, 21, II Pet 2:18-22, I Thes 3:5, II Cor 13:5, I Cor 15:1-2, Rom 8:5-13, 6:7-23, Mt 6:14-15,Mk 11:25-26, Mt 18:21-35, Jms 5:19-20, Lk 12:42-46, Mt 13:3-9,13:18-23 etc. According to these passage's, our work's that we do after our conversion are essential in regard's as to whether or not we will keep the gift of salvation that we have received from Him. He 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, (NKJ) (But this is another subject.)

No doubt God commands all men everywhere to repent, but repentance is unto salvation...one time, as I read the Word.

All men sin and come short of the glory of God...so who are these "righteous" that need no repentance?

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Those who have Christ IN them, and are found IN Christ are counted as righteous. There is no longer a need for repentance.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

True repentance is unto salvation with the remission of sin. All the above verses, IMO, are calling for true repentance in order to be "saved"...requiring a different attitude toward sin (hating sin instead of loving it). Repentance and belief are two sides of the same coin.

 

[farouk]

Water baptism is a command for those who are ALREADY saved. Sinners are not required.

Alabaster,

Like you say, it's a commanded symbol for those who have turned to God through Christ for cleansing, from sin and unbelief.

It's not the cleansing of sin itself.

 

[Alabaster]

Alabaster,

Like you say, it's a commanded symbol for those who have turned to God through Christ for cleansing, from sin and unbelief.

It's not the cleansing of sin itself.

That's right. Sinners are not invited!

 

[gideon3213]

Thanks, gideon, but I'd rather take the bible's view than the study of what religious people think. However, your title is a good statement. When one accepts Jesus Christ as Saviour, repentance needs to happen, but faith to believe in Him comes first.

The problem is that you do not have the bibles veiw! I have given the bibles veiw in this post, and you, once again have not accepted the scriptures! In my treatise on the lose of salvation i give the Bibles veiw on the subject, you will not even look at what the scripture says! Therefore your veiws are not credible!

 

[Alabaster]

The problem is that you do not have the bibles veiw! I have given the bibles veiw in this post, and you, once again have not accepted the scriptures! In my treatise on the lose of salvation i give the Bibles veiw on the subject, you will not even look at what the scripture says! Therefore your veiws are not credible!

The real problem is that I do take nothing BUT the bible's view. Some of what you say there is right, and some isn't.

God's word carries much more weight, and dummy women like me just lap it up.



PS: I just checked your conclusion here:

http://www.christianforums.net/f17/...se-water-baptism-32174/index2.html#post476171

...and it is correct.

So how do you come to the conclusion that my view is not credible? When you post item after item in a continual stream, each one containing all sorts of erroneous views, one tends to NOD OFF and not finish. You do yourself a disservice to force feed us large volumes at once.

 

[gideon3213]

The real problem is that I do take nothing BUT the bible's view. Some of what you say there is right, and some isn't.

God's word carries much more weight, and dummy women like me just lap it up.




PS: I just checked your conclusion here:

http://www.christianforums.net/f17/...se-water-baptism-32174/index2.html#post476171

...and it is correct.

So how do you come to the conclusion that my view is not credible? When you post item after item in a continual stream, each one containing all sorts of erroneous views, one tends to NOD OFF and not finish. You do yourself a disservice to force feed us large volumes at once.

I am sorry, but on every post that I have posted, without exception, you have not accepted the scripture that I quote, and as is the case here, the scriptures that I quote soundly refute what you say every time! You do not have a biblical view on anything! I have proven it with this very post: for anyone who takes the time to read what I posted, then reads what you posted can plainly see that what I am now saying is absolutely true!

And when you call my veiws erronios, thats a laugh, because you do not base what you believe on what the scriptue says! If you want my respect, then you have to start believing what the scripturs says: that means that you cannot post veiws that are obviously contrary to the scriptures that I post. In other words if the scripture clearly says that God chastises His children with weakness, sickness, and death. (1 Cor 11:27-34) you cannot say that God does not chastise His children this way as you did in another post. For your statement flately contradicts the Bible! and let me ask you a question: if you say something that is contrary to the bible, are you right, or wrong? Your wrong of course! What you have stated in this post is in direct contradiction to the scriptures that I posted above! That makes you wrong!

 

[Alabaster]

I am sorry, but on every post that I have posted, without exception, you have not accepted the scripture that I quote, and as is the case here, the scriptures that I quote soundly refute what you say every time! You do not have a biblical view on anything! I have proven it with this very post: for anyone who takes the time to read what I posted, then reads what you posted can plainly see that what I am now saying is absolutely true!

False. Perhaps now we can get back on topic?

And when you call my veiws erronios, thats a laugh, because you do not base what you believe on what the scriptue says! If you want my respect, then you have to start believing what the scripturs says: that means that you cannot post veiws that are obviously contrary to the scriptures that I post. In other words if the scripture clearly says that God chastises His children with weakness, sickness, and death. (1 Cor 11:27-34) you cannot say that God does not chastise His children this way as you did in another post. For your statement flately contradicts the Bible! and let me ask you a question: if you say something that is contrary to the bible, are you right, or wrong? Your wrong of course! What you have stated in this post is in direct contradiction to the scriptures that I posted above! That makes you wrong!

I don't want your respect...I will never get it. Your views about women are disgusting and dishonouring to God.

God does not chastise His people with weakness, sickness or death, for that is what sin and Satan does. God's chastisement is done by allowing consequences and by His still small voice of conviction and correction.

Your take on scripture while sometimes correct, such as your conclusion regarding water baptism, and in other places, false. How anyone who takes scripture's authority seriously can maintain the personal views about males and females that you do is disturbing. Frankly, it makes it difficult to overlook, and receive everything else you say as worthy to read. I will try, however.

 

[Alabaster]

While God chastises me for sin, He is not severe or punishing. His ways toward those He has a relationship with are always kind. It is the Holy spirit's job now to convict His children of sin and to correct and chastise us in our conscience.

John 16:7-8 NLT
But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.

 

[Hitch]

While God chastises me for sin, He is not severe or punishing. His ways toward those He has a relationship with are always kind. It is the Holy spirit's job now to convict His children of sin and to correct and chastise us in our conscience.

John 16:7-8 NLT
But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.

To say God chastises but does not punish is to say red is red and blue is not a color. Its just plain silly. To say He is not severe is valid.

 

[jasoncran]

To say God chastises but does not punish is to say red is red and blue is not a color. Its just plain silly. To say He is not severe is valid.

God chastises.
he lets us reap what we sow.if we want to sin he doenst stop us and will warn us to stop and also we will reap it.

if i get a girl pregant and i am not married i may repent all i want that child isnt going to disappear at all. in fact i would have reap that seed and be a father and pay child support thus in a sense a chastistement.

 

[Alabaster]

To say God chastises but does not punish is to say red is red and blue is not a color. Its just plain silly. To say He is not severe is valid.

You are right---it is valid.

 

[gideon3213]

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons
chas·tise

   /tʃæsˈtaɪz, ˈtʃæs

taɪz/ Show Spelled[chas-tahyz, chas-tahyz] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -tised, -tis·ing. 1. to discipline, esp. by corporal punishment.

2. to criticize severely.

3. Archaic . to restrain; chasten.

4. Archaic . to refine; purify.

Heb 12:3-11
For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

"My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives."
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. NKJV

1 Cor 11:27-32
Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV

Rev 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. KJV

Rev 2:20-23
20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. NKJV

Acts 5:1-11
5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. KJV

These scriptures prove that God does indeed punishe His children with severe punishments. There are many old test examples that I could give that prove that God punished His children; Israel very harshly!

have a great day

 

[Alabaster]

God in the Old Testament never held back His judgments, but in the New Covenant, He does, preferring to pour out of His great reserves of mercy and restraint because of His Son, Jesus the Messiah who has come, who is busy redeeming mankind from their sins and building His glorious Church.

Severe punishment is reserved for the Great White Throne for sinners...praise God!

 

[Hitch]

God in the Old Testament never held back His judgments, but in the New Covenant, He does, preferring to pour out of His great reserves of mercy and restraint because of His Son, Jesus the Messiah who has come, who is busy redeeming mankind from their sins and building His glorious Church.

Severe punishment is reserved for the Great White Throne for sinners...praise God!

That explains first century Jerusalem...