Resurrection

[Im slow please be patient]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred? I can't really understand it.

 

[hawkman]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred?

The apostles .

I can't really understand it.

Is it necessary for you to understand it to believe it ?

 

[myangelsb4u]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred? I can't really understand it.

It's written in the Bible, and it has 500 plus more witnesses that could account for that fact that he had risen.

 

[LOOKING]

If you are skeptical because of the supernatural aspect, try looking at it from a different perspective. Hundreds of near-death experiences are reported today, people come back to life, sometimes hours or even days after being declared dead. This phenomenon is still not well understood, but it is undeniably real.

 

[onlysaved]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred? I can't really understand it.

The Bible says it, therefore I believe it.
A couple of verses that help me with things I don't understand.

"There is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death."

You see human understanding is so poor in quality that it only leads to death..

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will keep your paths straight"

If you just choose to believe God in spite of your own doubts He's git everything else under control.

When your heart stops beating you die, this happens all the time doctors due chest compressions to keep blood flowing through your heart. You're still technically dead. Doctors do everything they can to bring you back from the dead and this can go on for along time, all the while you're still dead until they can get your heart started again.
Now I ask is God more powerful that a few doctors? I assert that He is and that raising Jesus from the dead after only 3 days while impossible for humans , is not impossible for God.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

The apostles .

Is it necessary for you to understand it to believe it ?

Can you be more specific?

I meant more in terms of understanding why it's the best possible explanation for the facts.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

It's written in the Bible, and it has 500 plus more witnesses that could account for that fact that he had risen.

Who are they? We just have a claim that there were 500 witnesses, not 500 separate accounts.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

If you are skeptical because of the supernatural aspect, try looking at it from a different perspective. Hundreds of near-death experiences are reported today, people come back to life, sometimes hours or even days after being declared dead. This phenomenon is still not well understood, but it is undeniably real.

Not really because of that, just don't quite understand why there couldn't be alternative explanations.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

The Bible says it, therefore I believe it.
A couple of verses that help me with things I don't understand.

"There is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death."

You see human understanding is so poor in quality that it only leads to death..

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will keep your paths straight"

If you just choose to believe God in spite of your own doubts He's git everything else under control.

When your heart stops beating you die, this happens all the time doctors due chest compressions to keep blood flowing through your heart. You're still technically dead. Doctors do everything they can to bring you back from the dead and this can go on for along time, all the while you're still dead until they can get your heart started again.
Now I ask is God more powerful that a few doctors? I assert that He is and that raising Jesus from the dead after only 3 days while impossible for humans , is not impossible for God.

I certainly don't think it's impossible. What I meant by not understanding is that I can't seem to figure out why there couldn't be an alternative explanation for the facts.

 

[WIP]

What kind of explanation would you need to settle it for you? Do you believe in God and if you do, do you believe that God created everything? If God can create everything, the earth, the moon, the stars, the plants, the animals, and mankind and give them life, does it not also then make sense that God can also restore someone to life?

 

[Who Me]

why there couldn't be alternative explanations.

Alternative explanations through history, they have been suggested many times.
1. He fainted/swooned. A common if unbelievable explanation for Jesus's death.
The problems are how did he remain motionless and unconscious lo g enough to convince the guards that he was dead?
Death on a cross is by asphyxiation, had he fainted while on the cross he would have died because he was not making the effort to breathe.
2.he fainted just before the thieves legs were broken and was removed from the cross while unconscious.
Two problems, the process of recognising he was ' dead ' and the removal of the body was not minutes. They had to send to Pilate for permission to remove the body, which he didn't give until confirmation was given, after Jesus had a spear rammed through his guts.
Again asphyxiate in his faint, or would nave bleed out while Pilate received confirmation he was dead.
3.Some how removedbarely alive from the cross, wrapped tightly in a shroud and left In a cold tomb.
Somehow he got out of the tightly wrapped shroud, moved a ton of rock blocking the entrance and terrified a squad of soldiers into fainting!
He was seen by Mary etc, but did ask for help!
He's been impaired on a spear, has severe internal injuries, a lacerated back, wounds in his hands, feet and head, was beated so severly that he could barely walk and he does not ask for help!
4. None of this happened it was a hallucinations! Hallucinations are not group events they are seen by individuals, we have accounts of groups seeing Jesus at the same time.

None of this is new, it is centuries old. I would recomend Lee Strobels book the Case for Christ. He discusses with medical, historical, theological experts the crucifixion.

Why do I believe, simple as Paul say in 1 Cor 15, if there was no resurrection there is no Christianity.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

What kind of explanation would you need to settle it for you? Do you believe in God and if you do, do you believe that God created everything? If God can create everything, the earth, the moon, the stars, the plants, the animals, and mankind and give them life, does it not also then make sense that God can also restore someone to life?

I definitely think that it's possible. The explanation I need is just one that explains why it's the best possible explanation for the facts.

 

[Vinny37]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred? I can't really understand it.

I will assume that your Q is not about basic theism.

Apropos the resurrection of Jesus, there are good books out there, such as George Ladd’s I Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus (1975). More recently ex-Atheist guru Anthony Flew (2007), added a perspective from N T Wright (https://archive.org/details/There.Is.A.God/page/n218/mode/1up).

Philosophically the whole idea of miracles is sound (see C S Lewis’ Miracles).

Historically the evidence includes the reliability of the witnesses who founded the church, and did so from a hostile base at great personal cost: why risk crucifixion for a lie; why go public in the very city which crucified him? The records date from their times, when had there been counterevidence it could have blown the gaffe. In short, the counterclaim was simply that a physical resurrection could not have happened, therefore it did not happen, even if those claiming to be witnesses staked their lives on it. Indeed, the claim of corporal resurrection conflicted with gentile religion, and yet convinced many gentiles.

Existentially I feel that the Christian claim of Jesus’ physical resurrection correlates with a relationship and fellowship I feel that I have with deity. We can all be delusional, so this ground for belief must be deemed subjective. I can feel that a woman loves me, but maybe objectively she doesn’t. Agamemnon maybe felt that Clytemnestra loved him, until she lopped off his head!

The internal evidence, and widely and deeply rooted in the Old Testament (a.k.a. Tanak), is both of honesty and of OT & NT prophecy of resurrection: Jesus himself believed in his resurrection to come. Was he delusional? The moral level of the combined witness of Old & New Testaments indicates that Jesus’ resurrection was expected and an outcome not unreasonable.

In short, I see no evidence against, and much evidence for, Jesus’ resurrection in line with prior expectations and a philosophical belief in supernature, and that belief makes sense to me and is integral to my sense of connection to deity. I moreover believe in my own physical resurrection to come, and look forward to ‘walking’ with the resurrected one. He kept his physicality to keep his connection and commitment to humanity.

 

[onlysaved]

I certainly don't think it's impossible. What I meant by not understanding is that I can't seem to figure out why there couldn't be an alternative explanation for the facts.

If there was an alternate then that is what the Bible would say. You either believe the Bible or you don't.. or to put it more directly, you either believe God or you don't.

 

[Free]

The explanation I need is just one that explains why it's the best possible explanation for the facts.

There is no other likely explanation. That Jesus actually died is agreed to by virtually every historian, apart from Muslim ones because of what the Quran states. The Romans were perfectionists of execution and knowing when someone was dead, so we can rule out the so-called swoon theory. But, the Quran comes some 600 years later and there is no good reason to believe it is a revelation from God. The disagreement among historians is over the empty tomb and resurrection.

Could the disciples have stolen the body? Very unlikely, as there was a guard in place to prevent such an occurrence, not to mention that the disciples would likely not have been willing to die for something they knew to be false.

Could it have been a mass hallucination? Again, very unlikely, as even the death of the Messiah was not something generally believed--he was supposed to physically vanquish all their enemies--much less likely his resurrection. And, Jesus appeared over a period of forty days to different people, making it less likely this was some collective imagining.

Could it have been a case of mistaken identity? No. Jesus's own mother was there as were other followers and disciples, such as John. Jesus even charges John to take care of his mother. Not to mention all of Jesus's enemies were there from his arrest until he died, even mocking him on the cross.

Could the women and other disciples have gone to the wrong tomb? No. They knew where he was buried, having even left and returned to prepare the body with spices and ointments (Luke 23:55-56). The Jewish leaders, soldiers, and Joseph of Arimathea knew where it was, so had the disciples claimed Jesus rose because they went to the wrong tomb, any of those people could have simply pointed to the right tomb and Jesus's body.

The best explanation is that Jesus actually, physically did rise again.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi Im slow please be patient and welcome to CF

It starts out first humbling yourself before Jesus in prayer just talking to Him and asking Him to reveal to you that He is very real and loves you very much as He gave His life so you can have life everlasting with Him for all eternity.

I would suggest you start with the Book of John as this will teach you about who Jesus is and our relationship with Him. Then read the book of Acts as this will teach you about the Holy Spirit. Before you read pray first and ask the Holy Spirit to help teach you. Plus you can ask us questions as we are here to help you grow in the Lord.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

Alternative explanations through history, they have been suggested many times.
1. He fainted/swooned. A common if unbelievable explanation for Jesus's death.
The problems are how did he remain motionless and unconscious lo g enough to convince the guards that he was dead?
Death on a cross is by asphyxiation, had he fainted while on the cross he would have died because he was not making the effort to breathe.
2.he fainted just before the thieves legs were broken and was removed from the cross while unconscious.
Two problems, the process of recognising he was ' dead ' and the removal of the body was not minutes. They had to send to Pilate for permission to remove the body, which he didn't give until confirmation was given, after Jesus had a spear rammed through his guts.
Again asphyxiate in his faint, or would nave bleed out while Pilate received confirmation he was dead.
3.Some how removedbarely alive from the cross, wrapped tightly in a shroud and left In a cold tomb.
Somehow he got out of the tightly wrapped shroud, moved a ton of rock blocking the entrance and terrified a squad of soldiers into fainting!
He was seen by Mary etc, but did ask for help!
He's been impaired on a spear, has severe internal injuries, a lacerated back, wounds in his hands, feet and head, was beated so severly that he could barely walk and he does not ask for help!
4. None of this happened it was a hallucinations! Hallucinations are not group events they are seen by individuals, we have accounts of groups seeing Jesus at the same time.

None of this is new, it is centuries old. I would recomend Lee Strobels book the Case for Christ. He discusses with medical, historical, theological experts the crucifixion.

Why do I believe, simple as Paul say in 1 Cor 15, if there was no resurrection there is no Christianity.

Why couldn't one or two of the disciples have seen Jesus and then convinced others?

 

[Im slow please be patient]

I will assume that your Q is not about basic theism.

Apropos the resurrection of Jesus, there are good books out there, such as George Ladd’s I Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus (1975). More recently ex-Atheist guru Anthony Flew (2007), added a perspective from N T Wright (https://archive.org/details/There.Is.A.God/page/n218/mode/1up).

Philosophically the whole idea of miracles is sound (see C S Lewis’ Miracles).

Historically the evidence includes the reliability of the witnesses who founded the church, and did so from a hostile base at great personal cost: why risk crucifixion for a lie; why go public in the very city which crucified him? The records date from their times, when had there been counterevidence it could have blown the gaffe. In short, the counterclaim was simply that a physical resurrection could not have happened, therefore it did not happen, even if those claiming to be witnesses staked their lives on it. Indeed, the claim of corporal resurrection conflicted with gentile religion, and yet convinced many gentiles.

Existentially I feel that the Christian claim of Jesus’ physical resurrection correlates with a relationship and fellowship I feel that I have with deity. We can all be delusional, so this ground for belief must be deemed subjective. I can feel that a woman loves me, but maybe objectively she doesn’t. Agamemnon maybe felt that Clytemnestra loved him, until she lopped off his head!

The internal evidence, and widely and deeply rooted in the Old Testament (a.k.a. Tanak), is both of honesty and of OT & NT prophecy of resurrection: Jesus himself believed in his resurrection to come. Was he delusional? The moral level of the combined witness of Old & New Testaments indicates that Jesus’ resurrection was expected and an outcome not unreasonable.

In short, I see no evidence against, and much evidence for, Jesus’ resurrection in line with prior expectations and a philosophical belief in supernature, and that belief makes sense to me and is integral to my sense of connection to deity. I moreover believe in my own physical resurrection to come, and look forward to ‘walking’ with the resurrected one. He kept his physicality to keep his connection and commitment to humanity.

I don't think it was just made up. I just can't quite seem to understand why hallucinations would be improbable.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

If there was an alternate then that is what the Bible would say. You either believe the Bible or you don't.. or to put it more directly, you either believe God or you don't.

By an alternative, I meant a competing theory, such as the Hallucination Theory. I want to understand why this couldn't be a decent explanation of the facts and why people think the resurrection is a better explanation.

 

[Im slow please be patient]

There is no other likely explanation. That Jesus actually died is agreed to by virtually every historian, apart from Muslim ones because of what the Quran states. The Romans were perfectionists of execution and knowing when someone was dead, so we can rule out the so-called swoon theory. But, the Quran comes some 600 years later and there is no good reason to believe it is a revelation from God. The disagreement among historians is over the empty tomb and resurrection.

Could the disciples have stolen the body? Very unlikely, as there was a guard in place to prevent such an occurrence, not to mention that the disciples would likely not have been willing to die for something they knew to be false.

Could it have been a mass hallucination? Again, very unlikely, as even the death of the Messiah was not something generally believed--he was supposed to physically vanquish all their enemies--much less likely his resurrection. And, Jesus appeared over a period of forty days to different people, making it less likely this was some collective imagining.

Could it have been a case of mistaken identity? No. Jesus's own mother was there as were other followers and disciples, such as John. Jesus even charges John to take care of his mother. Not to mention all of Jesus's enemies were there from his arrest until he died, even mocking him on the cross.

Could the women and other disciples have gone to the wrong tomb? No. They knew where he was buried, having even left and returned to prepare the body with spices and ointments (Luke 23:55-56). The Jewish leaders, soldiers, and Joseph of Arimathea knew where it was, so had the disciples claimed Jesus rose because they went to the wrong tomb, any of those people could have simply pointed to the right tomb and Jesus's body.

The best explanation is that Jesus actually, physically did rise again.

Why couldn't one or two disciples have hallucinated and then convinced others?