Resurrection

[Im slow please be patient]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred? I can't really understand it.

 

[miamited]

From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.” And they were deeply grieved.

They were on the road going up to Jerusalem, and Jesus was walking on ahead of them; and they were amazed, and those who followed were fearful. And again He took the twelve aside and began to tell them what was going to happen to Him, saying, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and will hand Him over to the Gentiles. They will mock Him and spit on Him, and scourge Him and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again.”

So, as we are addressing this matter of a hallucination of some kind to explain the resurrection, I think it worthwhile to look at the testimony of Jesus regarding it. All of these quotes above come from what are claimed to be the words spoken by Jesus, himself. Was he somehow complicit in setting up this hallucination? He wasn't really going to rise in three days, but it was necessary for him to say these things so that people would believe the hallucination when it came upon the four people who actually visited the tomb. Is that about how you've worked this out?

 

[Christ_empowered]

Calling the resurrection a sort of shared psychosis is not at all rational or scientific. It’s just using modern psychiatry to label and dismiss the work of God.

 

[myangelsb4u]

Who are they? We just have a claim that there were 500 witnesses, not 500 separate accounts.

From the time Jesus rose from the dead until his ascension, scripture says, there was a period of 40 days.

Acts 1:2-3 GNT - Before he was taken up, he gave instructions by the power of the Holy Spirit to the men he had chosen as his apostles. ;For forty days after his death he appeared to them many times in ways that proved beyond doubt that he was alive. They saw him, and he talked with them about the Kingdom of God.

Paul says in 1 Corinth 15: 3-7 I passed on to you what I received, which is of the greatest importance: that Christ died for our sins, as written in the Scriptures; 4 that he was buried and that he was raised to life three days later, as written in the Scriptures; 5. that he appeared to Peter and then to all twelve apostles. 6. Then he appeared to more than five hundred of his followers at once, most of whom are still alive, although some have died. 7. Then he appeared to James, and afterward to all the apostles.

 

[follower]

Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred? I can't really understand it.

Why not ? No understanding is required.

 

[follower]

Why couldn't one or two disciples have hallucinated and then convinced others?

Did you make up being "slow"? Yet keep on repeating anti-Christ possibles !? That can be eternally unhealthy, and extra judgment if anyone falls because of it.

 

[Vinny37]

I don't think it was just made up. I just can't quite seem to understand why hallucinations would be improbable.

The mass hallucination theory is merely one of the theories contra a physical resurrection of Jesus. Its critical failure is of mass hallucination. As the witch said in The Silver Chair (C S Lewis), you can’t expect others to share in your dream. Fact was, it wasn’t a dream and others shared in its reality, as the witch well knew. Mass hallucination doesn’t fit the facts.

In a desert, light might so reflect an elsewhere oasis, that several people see it, but they really see what a camera could see: speaking of which,

. A true visual. How did light reflect a past Jesus, who even prepared a meal for some?

Folk on the Enola Gay all saw something, or was it mass hallucination? The results say otherwise. Did Saul-Paul both see and hear what others did not? Yet how was his blindness healed? And how did he mediate so many miracles? Did the group of circa 500 see what each other saw? Did Pentecost really have visible phenomenon as flamelike lights, and what happened to those 120 for Christianity to explode into the dangerous public domain and call out their government? There was real phenomena consonant with a real physical resurrection and consequent invasion.

As Socrates said, let us follow the evidence, whether we dislike or like the journey. The facts can take a horse to water, but it is up to the horse as to whether it drinks. It might not like the reality of the water.

 

[miamited]

Hi Im slow please be patient

So, as we are addressing this matter of a hallucination of some kind to explain the resurrection, I think it worthwhile to look at the testimony of Jesus regarding it. All of these quotes above come from what are claimed to be the words spoken by Jesus, himself. Was he somehow complicit in setting up this hallucination? He wasn't really going to rise in three days, but it was necessary for him to say these things so that people would believe the hallucination when it came upon the four people who actually visited the tomb. Is that about how you've worked this out?

I was wondering if you were willing to engage in discussing my question to you? Are you willing to actually investigate what you believe or are you satisfied to just believe it is true and that's what you're going with? I'm just curious, because if all you are intending here is to prove your position to yourself, I think you've likely accomplished that. But, if you're really serious in investigating the issue because you honestly don't understand it, as is your testimony, then I'll be happy to continue discussing the matter with you. Otherwise, enjoy your freedom. God bless.

 

[Beetow]

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Why do you believe that the resurrection occurred?

I have never yet heard of, nor personally met, a real-life contemporary who's been
deceased, embalmed, and buried for three days and three nights and then
afterwards climbed out of their grave to tell about it.

In other words: I do not have even one sensible, sane, logical, defensible excuse
for believing the Bible's Jesus did it. I'm going solely on a gut feeling.

Faith is believin' somethin' that ain't so.
Mark Twain
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[miamited]

Faith is believin' somethin' that ain't so.

For the record, that's conspiracy theory. Faith is believin' somethin' that is so, but you just haven't seen it. I don't think you'll find any believers who will concur that they believe what they believe, but it isn't so.