Resurrections A Challnege For futurists

[Hitch]

Resurrections


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This is the easiest challenge you'll ever get from me.

Type ' resurrections' in your electronic concordance,use all the translations abvailable and post all the passages you find.


Just so there is no mistake this thread is a place to post all the passages in scripture that use the plural of resurrection . Should be tons of em.:yes

 

[Hitch]

Wow none yet, I'll chech in tomorrow.

 

[Ashua]

What are you getting at?... Perhaps grammar allows for more flexibility when phrasing terms? Rather than the plural "resurrections", the scripture refers to resurrections in the ordinal form. (The first resurrection. The second resurrection. The first death. The second death.)

So, what. Should I type in "deaths" to see what comes up?

Here is another example:

If I say I have one apple, and you have a second apple, are we only talking about one apple or is the a plurality of apples in the discussion?

In the chance that I missed your point, your post was vague to me.

Fun Fact:

The Hebrew word for life, chayim is in the plural intensive (Hebrew grammar). We only have one life, but the Hebrew word for life is in the plural form. Neat how other languages aren't absolutely like English in rule.

 

[Hitch]

What are you getting at?... Perhaps grammar allows for more flexibility when phrasing terms? Rather than the plural "resurrections", the scripture refers to resurrections in the ordinal form. (The first resurrection. The second resurrection. The first death. The second death.)

So, what. Should I type in "deaths" to see what comes up?

Here is another example:

If I say I have one apple, and you have a second apple, are we only talking about one apple or is the a plurality of apples in the discussion?

In the chance that I missed your point, your post was vague to me.

Fun Fact:

The Hebrew word for life, chayim is in the plural intensive (Hebrew grammar). We only have one life, but the Hebrew word for life is in the plural form. Neat how other languages aren't absolutely like English in rule.

So you cant find even a single passage in the whold Bible that says resurrections (plural ) ? Not even one LOL?

I've been inviting everyone to explain why none of the Creeds call for ths modernist nonsense of multiplied resurrections, perhaps you have a reasonable response ?

 

[Sparkey]

Your implication that the truth can be found through English Grammar is dubious at best.

 

[Hitch]

Your implication that the truth can be found through English Grammar is dubious at best.

Nice spin but really it only serves to show the weakness of your position.

Just maybe there a good reason multiple resurrections dont appear in the Creeds eh?

Tell ya what; You look up resurrection ,singular, and use the passages you find to support how ever many resurrections you need.

 

[Sparkey]

Nice spin but really it only serves to show the weakness of your position.

Just maybe there a good reason multiple resurrections dont appear in the Creeds eh?

Tell ya what; You look up resurrection ,singular, and use the passages you find to support how ever many resurrections you need.

I've not stated my position. What are you talking about? My only statement is that I find your proposed method dubious at best.

 

[Hitch]

I've not stated my position. What are you talking about? My only statement is that I find your proposed method dubious at best.

I readily admit I made an assumption.

Would you care to state your position ?


Dont you think if there were lots of resurrections coming at least one biblical writer you say so ? Dallas Theological Seminary taught seven resurrections in the person of John Walvoord. If that were correct it seems the plural would be easily found at least in the NT ,doesnt it ?

Ya know like abominations, antiChrists, armies, Amelekites,apostles.

 

[Sparkey]

The New Testament was written in Greek but the funny thing about certain parts is that even in Greek the writers retained Hebrew word order. Trying to prove a doctrine based on something that was scrambled by God at the Tower of Babel just seems dubious to me, that's all.

 

[Hitch]

The New Testament was written in Greek but the funny thing about certain parts is that even in Greek the writers retained Hebrew word order. Trying to prove a doctrine based on something that was scrambled by God at the Tower of Babel

are you trying to say the NT was written so as not to be understandable ?

just seems dubious to me, that's all.

Well its it evident you make assumptions as well.
Your premise that anyone is Trying to prove a doctrine is unfounded.

Were I to declare that the Bible says there were 12 Apostles it would be reasonable then to suppose passages from the Bible could be located that support that number. . If no mention of more than one apostle could be found that would prove that no one spoke of apostles , plural. That would make a plank in the argument for a single apostle , but it would prove only that no one used the term in the plural.

I am curious wrt why you dont care to state your position.

 

[Sparkey]

You've asked if I am stating that the Word of God was written in such a way as to not be understandable. The Holy Spirit inspired (breathed) the Word. It is by this same Spirit that we are able to learn the truth. Christians are, as I assume you already know, commanded to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Frankly, your "position" about resurrection or resurrections does not concern me all that much. I just read this one post and don't consider your point to have been established sufficiently to weigh in on the topic. You may read the Scripture I've just quoted and the context there and then let me know what you think (if you wanna). Specifically, what were the teachings of Hymenaeus and Philetus?

~Sparrow

 

[Hitch]

You've asked if I am stating that the Word of God was written in such a way as to not be understandable. The Holy Spirit inspired (breathed) the Word. It is by this same Spirit that we are able to learn the truth. Christians are, as I assume you already know, commanded to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

hmmm that seems to be in conflict with your earlier posts

Frankly, your "position" about resurrection or resurrections does not concern me all that much. I just read this one post and don't consider your point to have been established sufficiently to weigh in on the topic. You may read the Scripture I've just quoted and the context there and then let me know what you think

Did you have a specific comment or question ? Quite often that passage is used with the implcation that had you studied and were approved unto God-you would naturally agree with whom ever posted it , which is an imporper use of the passages. It also forms a base,such as it is, for the fanciful 'dispensations '.

(if you wanna). Specifically, what were the teachings of Hymenaeus and Philetus?

~Sparrow

Hyme taught that the resurrction had come and gone. If you're curious about more detail I suggest the site from the sticys;http://www.preteristsite.com/

It is clear you dont care to state your position. So please keep to topic.

 

[Sparkey]

Just so there is no mistake this thread is a place to post all the passages in scripture that use the plural of resurrection .

You insist that we define doctrine by posting according to your method. When I challenge that method as "dubious" I'm told to stick to topic. Okay then. I've unsubscribed to this thread. Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[Hitch]

You insist that we define doctrine by posting according to your method. When I challenge that method as "dubious" I'm told to stick to topic. Okay then. I've unsubscribed to this thread. Thanks for the chuckle.

Take care

H

 

[Hitch]

So it is safe to say that in the entire canon of scriptures there is not one reference to 'resurrections' (plural ) ?

We'll wait one more day.

 

[Ashua]

So you cant find even a single passage in the whold Bible that says resurrections (plural ) ? Not even one LOL?

I've been inviting everyone to explain why none of the Creeds call for ths modernist nonsense of multiplied resurrections, perhaps you have a reasonable response ?

I was unsure if you were challenging us to find ONE instance of the plural resurrectionS in the scripture, or if you knew they existed and was trying to see if we would find something of a golden "easter egg" for a verse on the "hunt". Now that I am sure you are just saying "There is no occurrence of the plural for resurrection in the Bible", I don't have to worry about assuming what you were saying and falling into a mess of misundertsanding.

Sparrowhawk said it already. You are grasping at straws.

If there is a FIRST resurrection and a SECOND resurrection, that denotes that there are TWO resurrections which is a PLURALITY of resurrections, meaning there are resurrectionS found in the Bible. Or, perhaps in your universe does 1+1 not equal 2? Or perhaps you do not believe that the number 2 is attributed to plurality???

 

[Hitch]

I was unsure if you were challenging us to find ONE instance of the plural resurrectionS in the scripture, or if you knew they existed and was trying to see if we would find something of a golden "easter egg" for a verse on the "hunt". Now that I am sure you are just saying "There is no occurrence of the plural for resurrection in the Bible", I don't have to worry about assuming what you were saying and falling into a mess of misundertsanding.

Sparrowhawk said it already. You are grasping at straws.

If there is a FIRST resurrection and a SECOND resurrection, that denotes that there are TWO resurrections which is a PLURALITY of resurrections, meaning there are resurrectionS found in the Bible. Or, perhaps in your universe does 1+1 not equal 2? Or perhaps you do not believe that the number 2 is attributed to plurality???

Ok Quote for us all the passages you can find speaking of multiplied resurrections.

Because I can quote every writer who speaks to the issue in the singular, good luck.

 

[Ashua]

I am going to answer you challenge with another challenge.

Check your lexicon and tell me how many times the word "Christs" or "Messiahs" comes up. Go ahead. Tell me if there is more than one Christ or Messiah in the Bible. I'll be waiting.

 

[Hitch]

I am going to answer you challenge with another challenge.

OK but you need to answer me first. I'll pretend this is not your admission of failure.

Check your lexicon and tell me how many times the word "Christs" or "Messiahs" comes up. Go ahead. Tell me if there is more than one Christ or Messiah in the Bible. I'll be waiting.

True Messiah or false messiahs?

Now man up and answer the challenge ,keep to topic or dont bother.

 

[Ashua]

Ok Quote for us all the passages you can find speaking of multiplied resurrections.

Because I can quote every writer who speaks to the issue in the singular, good luck.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. -Revelation 20:4-6

Notice how the word UNTIL signifies that the rest of the dead were not revived UNTIL a thousand years AFTER the first resurrection?