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Rev 4:3 contradicts gen 1:1 with proof in images
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I posted this on Facebook as proof
Proof of what? The link doesn't show anything.
U have to click on the link. The post is inside a Facebook Christian group
Yes, and people have to join the group in order to see it. I don't think anyone is going to join.
Some ppl may have already been a part of it. Others may want to join.
Either way here's the links included in the post.
rev 4:3 - Google Search
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genesis 1:1 - Google Search
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They both show images of what happens in both verses. In both verses god is depicted as being colors. In one of the verses god is depicted as being colors while creating colors. How can colors create colors?
Rev 4:3 doesn't say that God is colours; it says that he "had the appearance of jasper and carnelian," etc. Be careful to note the language more precisely.
Appearance is in and of itself colors. Look up atoms and photons
"Rev 4:3 contradicts gen 1:1 with proof in images"
You seem to be grappling with the thoughts of what God Is , here is a verse that will explain that .
"Photons and atoms" that is a dog that won't hunt .
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
U seem 2 b the 1 grappling with incoherent ideas here. u didn't prove anything I said wrong here. U just repeated the same claims. Show me where your own claiming that photons & atoms aren't related to god here means anything.
rev 4:3 explicitly says John believed what he saw in that vision was an actual person. He must've been describing physical traits to a humanoid apparition. It must've been colored. That was god. U haven't addressed that at all yet r still insanely bickering over lies.
If u had a vision & saw humans in that vision, it's fair to say that u would argue that those humans u were seeing were colors. The same logic applies to John seeing god in his vision. John argued that what he saw was god. The colors he saw had shape. God must've been a shape that he saw, otherwise he wouldn't have seen god, he'd just be seeing a chair.
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A vision is in the Spiritual realm not the physical .
Do you understand the difference between the Spiritual and physical realms ?
Lol. Heaven has physical things in it. I can provide example verses.
Will we have physical bodies in Heaven? | GotQuestions.org
Will we have physical bodies in Heaven? Will there be old people and children in Heaven?
www.gotquestions.org
If humans r 2 have physical bodies in heaven then so will god during rev 4:3 of johns vision
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jasper. John later describes this stone as "crystal clear" (Rev_21:11), probably referring to a diamond, which refracts all the colors of the spectrum in wondrous brilliance.
sardius. A fiery, bright ruby stone named for the city near which it was found.
emerald. A cool, emerald-green hue dominates the multicolored rainbow surrounding God's throne (cf. Eze_1:28). From the time of Noah, the rainbow became a sign of God's faithfulness to His Word, His promises, and His Noahic covenant (Gen_9:12-17).
like a jasper
Jasper describes the light of, foundation, and walls of the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:11+, Rev 21:18-20+). It was the last of the twelve stones representing the twelve tribes of Israel which were mounted in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:20; 39:13). When Satan was in the Garden of God, his covering included precious stones like jasper (Eze. 28:13-14). “Modern ignorance of ancient terminology makes precise identification of the stones quite tentative (Morris). Probably the equation of iaspidi (‘jasper stone’) to the modern jasper which is dull and opaque (Alford) is wrong because the modern stone is hardly considered costly as the text implies.”10 “From Rev. 21:11+, where it is called most precious, which the jasper was not, Ebrard infers it was a diamond.”11
like a sardius stone
“The sardius, better known in our day as the carnelian, is red. Hengstenberg quotes ancient authorities who call it ‘blood-colored’ and takes it to describe the righteous wrath of God, the color of the fire of divine anger.”12 This stone is also mentioned as part of Satan’s covering in the Garden of God (Eze. 28:13). It is the sixth foundation stone of the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:19+) and the first of the twelve stones representing the twelve tribes of Israel in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:17; 39:10). The inclusion of both the first stone, sardius, and last stone, jasper from the breastplate denote the idea of all Israel, first and last, beginning and end, or alpha and omega (Rev. 1:8+, Rev 1:17+; Rev 2:8+).
The jasper and the sardine stone are the first and last of these twelve stones [representing the tribes of Israel]. The jasper represented Reuben, the first of the tribes, since Reuben was the firstborn of Jacob. The sardine stone represented Benjamin, the youngest of the twelve sons of Jacob. In other words, the two stones represented the first and the last and therefore may be regarded as including all the other stones in between, that is, the whole of the covenanted people.13
Most see the references to precious stones here (and in Eze. 28) as a description of brilliant colored lights which radiate from God and His throne (Eze. 1:26-28): “We need not find symbolism in each element of the vision; it is enough to allow the archetypical imagery to create the impression of transcendent glory.”14
a rainbow around the throne
The brilliant light emanating from the throne resembled a rainbow of emerald hues. The rainbow was given as a sign following Noah’s flood to remind God of His covenant never again to destroy all flesh with a flood (Gen. 9:13-16; Isa. 54:9-10). Ezekiel saw this same rainbow as the brightness around the throne (Eze. 1:28). The world that was previously perished in the flood. In the chapters to follow, the judgment will be by fire (2Pe. 3:5-7).
As the rainbow was first reflected on the waters of the world’s ruin, and continues to be seen only when a cloud is brought over the earth, so another deluge, namely, of fire, shall precede the new heavens and earth: the Lord, as here, on His throne, whence (Rev. 4:5+) proceed “lightnings and thunderings,” shall issue the commission to rid the earth of its oppressors.15
The rainbow is around the throne implying a full circle like a halo.16 A rainbow adorns the head of the mighty angel whose cry precedes the seven thunders (Rev. 10:1-3+).
like an emerald
The color of the third stone of the high priest’s breastplate (Ex. 28:17; 39:10) and also associated with Satan’s covering in the Garden of God (Eze. 28:13). The stone of the fourth foundation of the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:19+).17
Revelation 4:3
jasper. John later describes this stone as "crystal clear" (Rev_21:11), probably referring to a diamond, which refracts all the colors of the spectrum in wondrous brilliance.
sardius. A fiery, bright ruby stone named for the city near which it was found.
emerald. A cool, emerald-green hue dominates the multicolored rainbow surrounding God's throne (cf. Eze_1:28). From the time of Noah, the rainbow became a sign of God's faithfulness to His Word, His promises, and His Noahic covenant (Gen_9:12-17).
like a jasper
Jasper describes the light of, foundation, and walls of the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:11+, Rev 21:18-20+). It was the last of the twelve stones representing the twelve tribes of Israel which were mounted in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:20; 39:13). When Satan was in the Garden of God, his covering included precious stones like jasper (Eze. 28:13-14). “Modern ignorance of ancient terminology makes precise identification of the stones quite tentative (Morris). Probably the equation of iaspidi (‘jasper stone’) to the modern jasper which is dull and opaque (Alford) is wrong because the modern stone is hardly considered costly as the text implies.”10 “From Rev. 21:11+, where it is called most precious, which the jasper was not, Ebrard infers it was a diamond.”11
like a sardius stone
“The sardius, better known in our day as the carnelian, is red. Hengstenberg quotes ancient authorities who call it ‘blood-colored’ and takes it to describe the righteous wrath of God, the color of the fire of divine anger.”12 This stone is also mentioned as part of Satan’s covering in the Garden of God (Eze. 28:13). It is the sixth foundation stone of the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:19+) and the first of the twelve stones representing the twelve tribes of Israel in the breastplate of the high priest (Ex. 28:17; 39:10). The inclusion of both the first stone, sardius, and last stone, jasper from the breastplate denote the idea of all Israel, first and last, beginning and end, or alpha and omega (Rev. 1:8+, Rev 1:17+; Rev 2:8+).
The jasper and the sardine stone are the first and last of these twelve stones [representing the tribes of Israel]. The jasper represented Reuben, the first of the tribes, since Reuben was the firstborn of Jacob. The sardine stone represented Benjamin, the youngest of the twelve sons of Jacob. In other words, the two stones represented the first and the last and therefore may be regarded as including all the other stones in between, that is, the whole of the covenanted people.13
Most see the references to precious stones here (and in Eze. 28) as a description of brilliant colored lights which radiate from God and His throne (Eze. 1:26-28): “We need not find symbolism in each element of the vision; it is enough to allow the archetypical imagery to create the impression of transcendent glory.”14
a rainbow around the throne
The brilliant light emanating from the throne resembled a rainbow of emerald hues. The rainbow was given as a sign following Noah’s flood to remind God of His covenant never again to destroy all flesh with a flood (Gen. 9:13-16; Isa. 54:9-10). Ezekiel saw this same rainbow as the brightness around the throne (Eze. 1:28). The world that was previously perished in the flood. In the chapters to follow, the judgment will be by fire (2Pe. 3:5-7).
As the rainbow was first reflected on the waters of the world’s ruin, and continues to be seen only when a cloud is brought over the earth, so another deluge, namely, of fire, shall precede the new heavens and earth: the Lord, as here, on His throne, whence (Rev. 4:5+) proceed “lightnings and thunderings,” shall issue the commission to rid the earth of its oppressors.15
The rainbow is around the throne implying a full circle like a halo.16 A rainbow adorns the head of the mighty angel whose cry precedes the seven thunders (Rev. 10:1-3+).
like an emerald
The color of the third stone of the high priest’s breastplate (Ex. 28:17; 39:10) and also associated with Satan’s covering in the Garden of God (Eze. 28:13). The stone of the fourth foundation of the holy Jerusalem (Rev. 21:19+).17
So basically you're arguing that it was symbolism & wasn't saying god actually looked like anything. Please tell me what the symbolism is for John seeing an apparition that resembled who could have only been god? Why does it say John saw god if john didn't see god
John 1:18a No one has seen God at any time
Revelation 4:3 And He who was sitting was like a jasper stone and a sardius in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, like an emerald in appearance.
No where in the text does it say John saw God.
That is your own interpretation.
A vision is of the Spiritual realm . God is a Spirit .
Heaven will have nothing that can rust , rot or corrupt . Do you believe that ?
Isnt sitting a thing only physical things can do? Let's check physics
