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Revelation 6:5-6

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MISFIT

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5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


This sounds so much like what we have in our economy now, oil prices are down the price of alcohol is the same if not less than it was, yet the cost of food is getting higher every day! I can't help but think this is just what John saw in his vision, but if these things are proof that the 3rd seal has been broken then the first two must have been as well. IMO the 2nd could easily be broken as well, but the first is the one I really wonder about that is the coming of Anti-Christ. Thoughts?
 
MISFIT said:
5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"


This sounds so much like what we have in our economy now, oil prices are down the price of alcohol is the same if not less than it was, yet the cost of food is getting higher every day! I can't help but think this is just what John saw in his vision, but if these things are proof that the 3rd seal has been broken then the first two must have been as well. IMO the 2nd could easily be broken as well, but the first is the one I really wonder about that is the coming of Anti-Christ. Thoughts?
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Something I had been watching for about 8 years.

Rev 6;1-2
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,and I heard,as it were the noise of thunder,one of the four beasts saying,come and see.And I saw,and behold a white horse;and he that sat on him had a bow;and a crown was given unto him;and he went forth conquering,and to conquer.

In the first month of the first year of this millinium (Jan ,2001)G.W.Bush was given a kingdom and he has proven himself a conquerer.

Rev 6;3-4
And when he had opened the second seal,I heard the second beast say,Come and see.And there went out another horse that was red;and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,and that they should kill one another,and there was given unto him a great sword.

Osama Bin Laden took peace from the earth and they have been killing each other since.What Ive found to be intersting about this is where they kill each other and I'll get to that in a little bit.

Rev 6;5-6 The verses in question.
This downturn in the economy could have an effect on the middle east as well as the rest of the world.Some of the states in the middle east are very dependant upon oil sales and this could have a lasting affect on those states.

Rev 6;7-8
And when he had opened the forth seal,I heard the voice of the forth beast say,Come and see.And I looked,and behold a pale horse;and his name that sat on him was Death,and Hell followed with him.And power was given unto them over the forth part of the earth,to kill with sword,and with hunger,and with death,and with the beasts of the earth.

Ive highlighted the "fourth part of earth"because that is where the horesemen roam.It is my belief that this forth part of earth is the forth kingdom upon earth which is the middle east.

Daniel 7;23
Thus he said,The forth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,and shall devour the whole earth,and shall tread it down,and break it in pieces.

Discription of the fourth beast.
Daniel 7;7-8
After this I saw in the night visions,and behold a fourth beast,dreadful and terrible,and strong exeedingly;and it had great iron teeth;it devoured and break in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it;and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.
I considerd the horns,and,behold,there came up amoung them another little horn,before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots;and behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,and a mouth speaking great things.
 
Shilohsfoal,
You are mixing beasts. The four beasts described in Revelation 4:7 worship God, therefore they are not the beasts of Daniel 7. Think 'living creature' instead of 'beast'. :twocents
 
Sinthesis said:
Shilohsfoal,
You are mixing beasts. The four beasts described in Revelation 4:7 worship God, therefore they are not the beasts of Daniel 7. Think 'living creature' instead of 'beast'. :twocents
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No ,No,Im not talking about the four beasts that say come and see.
Im talking about the location it speaks of where the four horsemen are said to have power given to them over the fourth part of earth.

Im comparing this location to the fourth kingdom upon earth in Daniel 7;23.
 
WOW I forgot about this! Osama did not take peace from the earth he is just a boogie man he's been dead for at least 4 years now, Bush knocked down the towers.
 
MISFIT said:
WOW I forgot about this! Osama did not take peace from the earth he is just a boogie man he's been dead for at least 4 years now, Bush knocked down the towers.
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I was just showing that what you thought could be happening,may in fact be happening.Only way to find out is to wait and see .
 
Shilohsfoal said:
MISFIT said:
WOW I forgot about this! Osama did not take peace from the earth he is just a boogie man he's been dead for at least 4 years now, Bush knocked down the towers.
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I was just showing that what you thought could be happening,may in fact be happening.Only way to find out is to wait and see .
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Oh I agree I was just adding my :twocents about Bin Laden.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Sinthesis said:
Shilohsfoal,
You are mixing beasts. The four beasts described in Revelation 4:7 worship God, therefore they are not the beasts of Daniel 7. Think 'living creature' instead of 'beast'. :twocents
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No ,No,Im not talking about the four beasts that say come and see.
Im talking about the location it speaks of where the four horsemen are said to have power given to them over the fourth part of earth.

Im comparing this location to the fourth kingdom upon earth in Daniel 7;23.
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I think you are misinterpreting 'the fourth part of Earth'. This has nothing to do with location, but refers to a percentage (1/4). If it meant the Fourth Kingdom would you then believe that:

Revelation 9:18 Refers only to the men of the Third Kingdom?
Revelation 8:11 Says only the waters of the Third Kingdom are made bitter?
Revelation 8:9 Means only the ships of the Third Kingdom are destroyed?
 
Sinthesis said:
Shilohsfoal said:
Sinthesis said:
Shilohsfoal,
You are mixing beasts. The four beasts described in Revelation 4:7 worship God, therefore they are not the beasts of Daniel 7. Think 'living creature' instead of 'beast'. :twocents
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No ,No,Im not talking about the four beasts that say come and see.
Im talking about the location it speaks of where the four horsemen are said to have power given to them over the fourth part of earth.

Im comparing this location to the fourth kingdom upon earth in Daniel 7;23.
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I think you are misinterpreting 'the fourth part of Earth'. This has nothing to do with location, but refers to a percentage (1/4). If it meant the Fourth Kingdom would you then believe that:

Revelation 9:18 Refers only to the men of the Third Kingdom?
Revelation 8:11 Says only the waters of the Third Kingdom are made bitter?
Revelation 8:9 Means only the ships of the Third Kingdom are destroyed?
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Im just comparing the scripture.
If you want to compare a part of earth to a part of creatures,thats up to you.
 
MISFIT said:
5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

This sounds so much like what we have in our economy now, oil prices are down the price of alcohol is the same if not less than it was, yet the cost of food is getting higher every day! I can't help but think this is just what John saw in his vision, but if these things are proof that the 3rd seal has been broken then the first two must have been as well. IMO the 2nd could easily be broken as well, but the first is the one I really wonder about that is the coming of Anti-Christ. Thoughts?
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The first seal was opened when Satan tempted Adam and Eve. Gen 3:1 The Rider of the white horse symbolizes Satan. Notice that the Rider of the white horse has a bow and crown and is bent on conquest. This is the Prince of this world.

The next 3 seals were opened in quick succession right after Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden; the actions of the horses are ongoing till the end of the age.

The Rider of the red horse was given a sword to take peace from the earth; people kill each other. War. This has been going on since soon after God vanished Adam and Eve from the garden; it started when Cain killed Abel. War has been ongoing since then also.

The Rider of the black horse holds a set of scales in his hand signifying inflation, famine, scarcity, etc. These things have been happening all along also as Gen 12:10; Gen 26:1, etc. attest to.

The pale green horse whose Rider’s name is Death signifies the death that men have experienced by the sword, famine, pestilence, and wild beasts, etc., since the beginning of time.

sonlite101
 
The first seal was opened when Satan tempted Adam and Eve. Gen 3:1 The Rider of the white horse symbolizes Satan. Notice that the Rider of the white horse has a bow and crown and is bent on conquest. This is the Prince of this world.
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I too believe some of the seals represent events in our history. I have a different take on the first though. Some of it was first presented to me by another member some time ago. I rejected it at first, but as I studied it began to make sense.

The first seal represents the "church" who went forth to "conquer". Meaning, winning souls over to the Kingdom.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

There are two crowns mentioned in Revelation:

stephanos, which in Greek, is the crown given to and worn by the victor. Think of it as a crown of achievement, like a trophy or medal.

Diadem, which is the crown worn by a leader or Royalty.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

The bow is the New Covenant. The word bow is sometimes used to mean a rainbow, which we know, represents a covenant between God and his people.

Gen 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
Gen 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
 
Vic C. said:
The first seal was opened when Satan tempted Adam and Eve. Gen 3:1 The Rider of the white horse symbolizes Satan. Notice that the Rider of the white horse has a bow and crown and is bent on conquest. This is the Prince of this world.
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I too believe some of the seals represent events in our history. I have a different take on the first though. Some of it was first presented to me by another member some time ago. I rejected it at first, but as I studied it began to make sense.

The first seal represents the "church" who went forth to "conquer". Meaning, winning souls over to the Kingdom.
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Sorry about the delayed response Vic.

Your interpretation does not track with the rest of scripture for the following reasons.

For one thing the church in scripture is portrayed in figurative language as a woman, as Rev 12:1 that you quoted indicates. The church is also spoken of as the “bride†of Christ, especially in Revelation, where the term is used 5 times. So then why wouldn’t the writer of revelation definitely portray the church as the woman or bride being the rider of the white horse?

Also, if the church were the rider of the white horse, she would be portrayed as carrying a “sword†the figurative language used for the Word of God which is the “weapon†the church does battle with rather than carrying a "bow." In Eph Eph 6:17, Paul tells the church to

17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. (NIV)

The author of Hebrews also uses the word “sword†to symbolize the Word of God.

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it …….


About the “bow†being the new covenant, the primary definition for the word used is as an instrument for hunting or battle. Satan was the first one to be released to do battle with man and conquer him.

1) bow

a) bow (for hunting, battle)

b) bowmen, archers

c) bow (fig. of might)

d) rainbow

As for the definition of “stephanos†being a crown given to a victor, the primary definition is that of being a crown that denotes a mark of royalty or exalted rank. God gave Satan authority over this world and Jesus Himself called him the Prince of this world.

John 12:31
31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. (NIV)

John 14:30
30 I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, (NIV)

John 16:11
11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. (NIV)

sonlite101
 
Vic C. said:
There is debate concerning the use and interchangeability of the two Greek words for crown.

http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/ ... rowns.html

Either way, I'm not dogmatic about what I posted above, but I don't rule it out either.
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Good enough. Thanks Vic.

One verse I did not mention in regards to the "bow" that would give more support to the interpretation that Satan is the rider of the white horse is this:

Eph 6:16
16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. (NIV)

sonlite101
 
God said he would use his arrows to judge apostate Israel:

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw [it], he abhorred [them], because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end [shall be]: for they [are] a very froward generation, children in whom [is] no faith.
32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with [that which is] not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with [those which are] not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
32:23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.

This would imply Jesus is the first horseman. :chin
 
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