Roman Catholic Church Catechism English Translation 1994

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Gary said:
The RCC obviously have to make arguments that OSAS is not true... how else did the RCC get followers into the confessional and get its members to pay penance (with money) to secure their salvation!

Very sad. The RCC "god" is so weak that he cannot protect His own.
Thessalonian said:
Very sad that sinners repent of their sins to Christ isn't it.
... no, that is the Good News. The bad news is when people think they have to confess to a RC priest!

Thessalonian said:
So sad that there is great rejoicing in heaven over one repentant sinner who enters that confessional and asks God's mercy.
.... no, it is only very sad that RCs believe they have to wait until they got to the RC priest and into the confessional. Do you think Paul had a little confessional box?

Thessalonian said:
It is not our God who is weak. It is us and he makes us stronger day by day.
I agree that the God I know is strong. I suggest that the RCC "god" was not strong enough so the RCC had to invent all sorts of new dogma and ritual that satisfies men..... not the real, living God we know.

Thessalonian said:
Do you claim that you don't sin. That God doesn't allow you to. I hope not.
I course I sin... every day! And I go on my knees and confess and ask for forgiveness for those sins every day. Do you have to go to RC confessional every day? If not, why not?

Thessalonian said:
So is Peter Kreft's God weak? No avoidance please.
Peter Kreeft (I am sure that is the man you are speaking about) is a Roman Catholic. I have quoted him before and his (and Ronald Tacelli) "Handbook of Christian Apologetics" book. His arguments for the existence of God are good..... however, when he gets onto the RC dogma, ritual and man-made doctrines, he starts going off track. His main strength is as a philosopher.... hence his ability to articulate the arguments for the existence of God.

Have you any of his books? Which ones? No avoidance please.

Gary said:
But Paul thought differently.

Paul said:
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. ROMANS 8:30
Thessalonian said:
So there is no need to repent from sin is what you are saying. :( ? I sure hope not.
I think I have already shown that you have made a false assumption. What I want to know is if you, as a RC, have to wait to get to the RC priest's little confessional box before you repent of your sins. What happens if you die before that?

:)
 
... no, that is the Good News. The bad news is when people think they have to confess to a RC priest!

Not bad at all according to John 20:21. Also it is good news according to 1 John 1


9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I doudt John forgot what he wrote in John 20. Paul somewhere, I think it is 1 Cor says "we are ministers of reconcilliation". That's good news as well. Quite likely it woud seem he is speaking of reconcilliation between God and men.

.... no, it is only very sad that RCs believe they have to wait until they got to the RC priest and into the confessional. Do you think Paul had a little confessional box?

You don't know how sily this arguement sounds to a Catholic. I heard a man named Robert Zins use it in a formal debate with a Roman Catholic at a local baptist Church. I don't care whether Paul had a little confessional box or not. Do I think someone sat down with him and talked about the sin in their lives? Yes. I think if you were to be honest as well you would admit as much. Do people go and talk to Protestant pastors about their sins? Yes. The confessional box is only a way of doing it. I have had confessions outside the confessional as well. The issue is not this little box, which your use in this manner only demonstrates ignorance of Catholicism, but the forgiveness of sins and we believe that when we confess to a priest Christ hears our confession and forgives us.


I agree that the God I know is strong. I suggest that the RCC "god" was not strong enough so the RCC had to invent all sorts of new dogma and ritual that satisfies men..... not the real, living God we know.

Your ignorance of Catholicism and confession is duly noted. As I have said before you can tell me of my ignorance of Nuclear Physics and I won't be insulted. How is confession of sins to GOD! a bad thing. Why do you keep distorting it such that we are not confessing to God. Have you ever been through one? Do you know what is in my heart as I enter that confessioal and tell the priest my sins. My focus is never on him but on my sorrow for my sins before God. It doesn't matter what priest is there. And their advice is very helpful in overcoming my sins. It also causes me to reflect upon my sins and try to overcome them. Your words make it in to something dirty.

Thessalonian said:
I course I sin... every day! And I go on my knees and confess and ask for forgiveness for those sins every day. Do you have to go to RC confessional every day? If not, why not?

I would assume you mean "of course I sin". Good that you admit it. John's words would have declared you a liar otherwise.
More ignorance of Catholicism. Not an insult, just a fact. I am glad that you reflect on your sin every day. Praise God. You know what, we are to reflect on our sins every day as well, and confess and express our sorrow for them the very moment they happen, or at least before we go to bed at night. We don't NEED to go to a priest for venial sins, though those are helpful to confess as well. You might try to learn something from a Catholic sometime so that your words will not sound so foolish when you try to have a discussion.


Have you any of his books? Which ones? No avoidance please.

His handbook on Apologetics. I've heard him speak as well. That you reject the rest of him based on your own personal opinoins of scritpure and bias is of no consequence.


Gary said:
But Paul thought d
Thessalonian said:
"Thessalonian"]So there is no need to repent from sin is what you are saying. :( ? I sure hope not.
I think I have already shown that you have made a false assumption. What I want to know is if you, as a RC, have to wait to get to the RC priest's little confessional box before you repent of your sins. What happens if you die before that? [/qutoe]

False assumption? How is a question a false assumption. Thank you for your answer. I'll not continue to distort your beliefs long after the question has been answered. Has anyone ever answered to you about Catholic confession before? Will you continue to distort our confession of venial sins? It also seems you have been living on a few false assumptions about Catholicism. If the sin is venial he will be fine, though we will have to undergo some purgation. Like I said we can express our sorrow for ALL sin, even mortal daily. Our contrition must be perfect (i.e. no attachment to the sin) for the mortal if we can hold out hope that it is to be forgiven by God before confession. We cannot know with certainty that it was. This forgiveness therefore does not excuse one from going to a priest and confessing it later, where he KNOWS it will be forgiven. We know when we confess a mortal sin to a priest it is forgiven, even if the contrition is imperfect. That is the primary value (not to be mistaken for only value) of going to a priest and why the Church requires it for mortal sin. Not too many of us are capable of perfection in anything, least of all contrition for our sins. Perfection in this means we WON'T ever do it again.

Once again now that you have had Catholic confession explained to you in more detail will you continue to distort it, indicating that we have to go to a priest for every little sin, that we have to confess in a confessional box, that our sins cannot be forgiven outside of that box. By the way, the Eucharist forgives venial sins.