Bible Study Sabbath, in the New Earth and Heavens

[Jay T]

66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD".
If those who refuse to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath in this earth....why will HE allow them into heaven, to create rebellion, against the Sabbath commandment there ?

The Test of loyalty, is in the here and now:
"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God".

This very same rule applies, of the Sabbath, in the New Earth.

 

[Free]

I'm curious Jay T,

If there will be no more night (Rev. 22:5), how can there ever be a sabbath, a seventh day for rest and worship?

 

[JohnR]

I'm curious Jay T,

If there will be no more night (Rev. 22:5), how can there ever be a sabbath, a seventh day for rest and worship?

The passage in Isaiah is talking about the 1000 year reign of Christ. The passage in Rev ch 22 talks about what takes place after that. They are both a referance to the city of Jerusalem though.

 

[Elijah message]

I'm curious Jay T,

If there will be no more night (Rev. 22:5), how can there ever be a sabbath, a seventh day for rest and worship?

***
The no night there, is in the City where God dwells. (He outshines all light see 2 Thessalonians 2:8 )We will Worship God in the New Jerusalem city on His Sabbath day. (there is NO night there! see Revelation 21:1-2 & Revelation 21:11) The 'new' heavens still will supply us its light elsewhere. '..build houses and inhabit then +' ---Elijah

 

[Free]

But Elijah, there will be no "days" and no "time" for that matter. How can one have a Sabbath Day if there are no days or time?

 

[guibox]

Other than the 1000 years, we won't be inhabiting heaven but the new earth that God will create. The Bible has many references to tending the fields and lands. It doesn't make any sense for God to create a 'new earth' if there is nothing to inhabit it.

there is no reason why the sun and moon will not rule the day and night as was originally created. God intends to restore Eden, so to speak.

Regardless, I'm sure God would have a specific way of reckoning time. We can't interpret heaven based on our meagre perceptions. The Bible is pretty plain but most want to ignore it because people desperately WANT the Sabbath to be done away with. They will ignore whatever texts they want like Isaiah 66 that don't fit into their desire.

They'd rather teach 'for doctrines, the commandments of men'.

Christ had names for people like this...Pharisees

 

[JM]

I think it's safe to say that all dispey's believe the Sabbath comes back into play when the Church is raptured.

 

[guibox]

I think it's safe to say that all dispey's believe the Sabbath comes back into play when the Church is raptured.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Why claim that the Sabbath is:

"For the Jews"
"Abolished at the cross"
"Done away with in the law"
"Realized by Christ, the Sabbath rest"
"Not binding for Christians"

and then say that the Sabbath will be reinstituted at the end? I guess God can't make up His mind what He wants for His people. Not only, according to most Protestants, did He institute a fallible law, but now He expects everyone to follow it after He supposedly abolished it?

When people ignore the teachings of the Bible, they can come up with some interesting viewpoints.

 

[Elijah message]

Other than the 1000 years, we won't be inhabiting heaven but the new earth that God will create. The Bible has many references to tending the fields and lands. It doesn't make any sense for God to create a 'new earth' if there is nothing to inhabit it.

there is no reason why the sun and moon will not rule the day and night as was originally created. God intends to restore Eden, so to speak.

Regardless, I'm sure God would have a specific way of reckoning time. We can't interpret heaven based on our meagre perceptions. The Bible is pretty plain but most want to ignore it because people desperately WANT the Sabbath to be done away with. They will ignore whatever texts they want like Isaiah 66 that don't fit into their desire.

They'd rather teach 'for doctrines, the commandments of men'.

Christ had names for people like this...Pharisees

**********
Hi, no problem with the 1000 yrs. Nor with the city still not needing light from the recreation of the heavens. When it COMES BACK TO EARTH either. ----Elijah

 

[JM]

I think it's safe to say that all dispey's believe the Sabbath comes back into play when the Church is raptured.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Why claim that the Sabbath is:

"For the Jews"
"Abolished at the cross"
"Done away with in the law"
"Realized by Christ, the Sabbath rest"
"Not binding for Christians"

and then say that the Sabbath will be reinstituted at the end? I guess God can't make up His mind what He wants for His people. Not only, according to most Protestants, did He institute a fallible law, but now He expects everyone to follow it after He supposedly abolished it?

When people ignore the teachings of the Bible, they can come up with some interesting viewpoints.

The Bible mentions three groups: the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God. We are now in the Church age, the Sabbath is not for the Church age...it was given to the Jew as a sign. When the Church is removed the Jewish covenant kicks back in (for the simple fact, God is not done with the Jewish nation).

Quote: Definition
A Dispensation - The system by which anything is administered. In Christian terms, looking back, it refers to a period in history whereby God dealt with man in a specific way. (Conscience, Law, Grace)
Dispensationalism - A system of theology that sees God working with man in different ways during different ages. While 'Dispensations' are not ages, but stewardships, or administrations, we tend to see them now as ages since we look back on specific time periods when they were in practice.
Dispensationalism is distinguished by three key principles.
1 - A clear distinction between God's program for Israel and God's program for the Church.
2 - A consistent and regular use of a literal principle of interpretation
3 - The understanding of the purpose of God as His own glory rather than the salvation of mankind.


Dispey theology 101, and I quote:

The literal method of interpretation is the key. Using the literal method of intepreting the biblical covenants and prophecy leads to a specific set of core beliefs about God's kingdom program, and what the future will hold. For our study of end times, this is applied by the recognition of a distinction between Israel and the Church, and a promised future earthly reign of Christ on the throne of David. (The Davidic Kingdom.) This leads a person to some very specific conclusions about the end times.

• Israel must be regathered to their land as promised by the covenants. (If intepreted literally)
  Daniel's seventieth week specifically refers to the purging of the nation Israel, and not the Church. These were the clear words spoken to Daniel. The church doesn't need purging from sin. It is already clean.
  Some of the warnings in Matthew 24 are directed at the Jews, and not the Church (since God will be finishing His plan with national Israel)
  A Pretribulation rapture (Israel is seen in Daniel as the key player during the tribulation) (God removes the elect when he brings judgment on the world. i.e. Noah, John 14)
  Premillennialism - A literal 1000 year Millennial Kingdom, where Christ returns before the Millennium starts. Revelation 20 doesn't give us a reason to interpret the 1000 years as symbolic. Also, dispensationalists see the promised literal reign of Christ in the OT. Note the chronological order of events between Revelation 19-21.

Charles Ryrie in his book 'Dispensationalism' points out that some Christians have actually called Dispensationalism heretical. Actually it is people that use words like 'heretical' for non essential doctrinal beliefs that are the ones that cause division in the Church. Whether a person believes in a literal future Millennial Kingdom is not essential Christian doctrine. It doesn't rank up there with the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, the Atonement, etc., nor does a person's belief in how God worked in times past. A house divided against itself will not stand. When we get to heaven, or the Millennial Kingdom, whichever will come first, we will understand the truth of all the word of God, but until then there are essential doctrines of the faith that are worth going to battle over. Others are not, since we don't want to be found going to battle with each other, and therefore, with Jesus Christ Himself.

 

[Free]

guibox,

there is no reason why the sun and moon will not rule the day and night as was originally created. God intends to restore Eden, so to speak.

Regardless, I'm sure God would have a specific way of reckoning time. We can't interpret heaven based on our meagre perceptions. The Bible is pretty plain but most want to ignore it because people desperately WANT the Sabbath to be done away with.

Did you even read the passage from Revelation?

BTW, your last sentence is not even close to my position.

 

[Jay T]

I'm curious Jay T,

If there will be no more night (Rev. 22:5), how can there ever be a sabbath, a seventh day for rest and worship?

Good Question!

BUT....I have no answer.

All I know is what the Bible tells me.

It is obvious that God has some way, that those who are eventually saved, will know.

 

[Jay T]

I think it's safe to say that all dispey's believe the Sabbath comes back into play when the Church is raptured.

I personally believe that God (Christ) will create a new earth like he did the first time, again with the Sabbath, as the sign of God's creative power.

The people who refuse the 7th sabbath on this earth, in the here and now, will not be there... just as God has promised.

 

[Elijah message]

I think it's safe to say that all dispey's believe the Sabbath comes back into play when the Church is raptured.

I personally believe that God (Christ) will create a new earth like he did the first time, again with the Sabbath, as the sign of God's creative power.

The people who refuse the 7th sabbath on this earth, in the here and now, will not be there... just as God has promised.

*******
Nothing New under the Sun, huh? Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 &
Ecclesiastes 3:15

 

[notaxbill]

66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD".
If those who refuse to keep God's 7th Day Sabbath in this earth....why will HE allow them into heaven, to create rebellion, against the Sabbath commandment there ?

The Test of loyalty, is in the here and now:
"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God".

This very same rule applies, of the Sabbath, in the New Earth.

The early church kept both the seventh and the eight day.
Christ fulfilled the sabbath and walked out in the eight day.
Romans 14 will clear this up for you.
I go to a sabbath day church of God and most of them I could never
tell this to. steeped in traditions as they are adding to their salvation.

Christ is all in all and their is no more death penalty for the sabbath.
I believe a person keeps the sabbath out of love and submission not
due to you better. Through Christ we have a better way. That of love.
First for God and then man.
We should not keep christmas , easter and the rest because they are
pagan and I am sure God doesn't want us to.

http://www.sdcog.org I go to a sabbath day church of God this is the
web site its new and we aren't finished with it.

 

[Jay T]

Christ is all in all and their is no more death penalty for the sabbath.

God says there is !

God cannot change His Law and be fair to those in the Old Testament whom He ordered killed, for breaking it.

 

[notaxbill]

Christ is all in all and their is no more death penalty for the sabbath.

God says there is !

God cannot change His Law and be fair to those in the Old Testament whom He ordered killed, for breaking it.

Remember the lady caught in adultery and he ask her where are
your accusers and then stated I will not accuse you either go and sin
no more (really stop practicing sin) in the old testament she wouldn't
have had a chance now would she? THE lady at the well 5 husbands
all still alive not so good huh. Did david get by with murder and adultery.
Gods not out to get us but to get us to stop practicing sin.
I really wish I could meet you because you are so on fire to do
right. By the the way I belong to a unchartered club called the
do-rights I just made you a member
love ya bro
notaxbill

 

[Jay T]

Christ is all in all and their is no more death penalty for the sabbath.

God says there is !

God cannot change His Law and be fair to those in the Old Testament whom He ordered killed, for breaking it.

Remember the lady caught in adultery and he ask her where are
your accusers and then stated I will not accuse you either go and sin
no more (really stop practicing sin) in the old testament she wouldn't
have had a chance now would she?

As the New Testament says...the things in the Old Testament, were for 'examples' ........
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted".

God had people killed for breaking any of the 10 commandments....to show that He will tolerate any sin whatsoever !
God (Christ) has not changed !!!
In the Judgment Day of God, those who break any of the 10 commandments, will be executed forever.

[quote:9c411]. Did david get by with murder and adultery.

ABSOLUTELY NOT !
Psalms 51:-12 shows that He begs, not to lose His Salvation !

Gods not out to get us but to get us to stop practicing sin.

Exactly my point !
God knows the sin will result in eternal death ("Wages of sin is death,Romans 6:23).

I really wish I could meet you because you are so on fire to do
right. By the the way I belong to a unchartered club called the
do-rights I just made you a member
love ya bro
notaxbill

[/quote:9c411]As a 7th Day Adventist Christian......I'm very familiar with how the Judgment Day of God will proceed, and that God will use the 10 commandments(Exodus 20:3-17), as the standard to Judge every person, who ever lived.

 

[notaxbill]

[quote="Jay T":8ab87]

Christ is all in all and their is no more death penalty for the sabbath.

God says there is !

God cannot change His Law and be fair to those in the Old Testament whom He ordered killed, for breaking it.

Remember the lady caught in adultery and he ask her where are
your accusers and then stated I will not accuse you either go and sin
no more (really stop practicing sin) in the old testament she wouldn't
have had a chance now would she?

As the New Testament says...the things in the Old Testament, were for 'examples' ........
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted".

God had people killed for breaking any of the 10 commandments....to show that He will tolerate any sin whatsoever !
God (Christ) has not changed !!!
In the Judgment Day of God, those who break any of the 10 commandments, will be executed forever.

[quote:8ab87]. Did david get by with murder and adultery.

ABSOLUTELY NOT !
Psalms 51:-12 shows that He begs, not to lose His Salvation !

Gods not out to get us but to get us to stop practicing sin.

Exactly my point !
God knows the sin will result in eternal death ("Wages of sin is death,Romans 6:23).

I really wish I could meet you because you are so on fire to do
right. By the the way I belong to a unchartered club called the
do-rights I just made you a member
love ya bro
notaxbill

As a 7th Day Adventist Christian......I'm very familiar with how the Judgment Day of God will proceed, and that God will use the 10 commandments(Exodus 20:3-17), as the standard to Judge every person, who ever lived.[/quote:8ab87][/quote:8ab87]

YOU are right all will be judged by the ten commandments and none will
pass the test none all fall short That is why Christ had to give his life.
No man seeks after God for the good I would do I do it not. the evil I hate
this I do.All fall short none is perfect . Thanks be to God he figured this
out from the foundations of the world. If a person is driving down the road
and gets angry not knowing why the person did what they did he is angry
with his brother without cause If a man looks and lust for a woman he
is an adulter in his heart Have you really kept the ten commandments
as Christ did from the day of your salvation.Remember to lie is to break
a commandment. You see you sit in judgement on your brother as
you judge you shall be judged. Mercy covers a multitude of sins.
I will not try to change your believes and neither will I give any space
for sin in our lives but their is a life of growth and forgiveness down
here. We should try to change for the better all the time growing in grace.
notaxbill

 

[Elijah message]

What do you get from James 1:15? "finished". Your remark reminds me of a young man that I studied with years ago. (in you remark on lust) He told me that he could not be a Christian because every woman that he looked at, he lusted after.

I told him that that might be true? but, perhaps satan wanted him to think that, because the person was nice, good looking or perhaps very good looking, and that he noticed that? then perhaps it was not lust at all?
Because one admires good looks or whatever, does not always mean lust.

I do not mean to down/play sin. Yet, I doubt that you caught the remark about being angary with a brother without reason?

Regardless: When sin becomes 'mature', it bringeth forth death! Obadiah 16 . It has a starting point & and ending point. 1 John 5:16-17 .

And the Sabbath Commandment is no differant, see Isaiah 42:21 for what Christ needed to do with all of His 2 Corinthians 3:3 "epistle' to us!
---Elijah