Satan Comes First

[golfjack]

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Excellent post Coop. I do have one question? The people that survive the Tribulation will be in the Millenium but not at the Holy of Holies. I know we will rule and reign with Christ. That tells me we will minister with Survivors. I believe they will have children anmd some will be saved eventually, but some will go over to Satan. I guess the question is what will happen to the parents who will have these Children. Are they all saved or not? I am a confused on this.



May God bless, golfjack

 

[Vic C.]

The posts in this thread are ENTIRELY long. Lets keep the down to a readable and respectable length. It's in the rules; check them out. Thanks.

 

[Jon-Marc]

Perhaps I have very little to say, but I don't like exceptionally long posts and don't bother reading them. It's hard to see the forest for the trees, and one's point gets lost in the multitude of words.

 

[Litebeam]

lecoop

I've already spelled out Quite Clearly in the "several posts" on this thread, what I declare to be true, concerning the matters which have been discussed.

I have stated that....THERE IS NO RAPTURE...I personally believe it is a false teaching. Since you believe in "The Rapture"....we are not likely to agree much on the "Rest" of what has been discussed so far.


I have stated my postion clearly. If you do not agree, that's fine. The Vast Majority of the Religious Christian World do not agree with such HARD TEACHING as the ABSOLUTE NECESSITY OF....."KEEPING"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.


I have come to understand, that the final "declaration of the everlasting gospel, which is preached, unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people....is in reference to....

Some studies suggest that only the 7000 Elect who refused to bow the knee to Baal in the “First Earth Age†will be able to resist Satan in these end times. Satan will come first, impersonating Christ and the whole world will fall for it.

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1Ki 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I have already declared whose names ARE written in the Book of Life of the Lamb in the previous posts....( and also described....The Falling Away....Apostasy )



The 7000 Elect, or some of them at least will be delivered up…..


Luke 21:12
"But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name.



On account of…….MY NAME…….YAHU'SHUA ( Jesus )....IS....YHVH ( God )



Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.


The Elect will speak in the Cloven Tongue that all men will hear in their own language as on the day of Pentecost.


The 144,000 will then HEAR what the Elect are saying and COME TO THEIR SENSES.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:

YAHU'SHUA....is the TRUE MESSIAH.


Revelation 14: 1-5....is telling us WHO the OVERCOMERS ARE....the FIRSTFRUITS UNTO GOD and TO THE LAMB.....THE REDEEMED FROM AMONG MEN....WHO...."WILL"...."RESPOND"....TO THE FINAL GOSPEL MESSAGE.....GIVEN BY GOD'S 7000 ELECT....who are...."NO DOUBT"....STRENGTHENED BY AN ANGEL....TO WITHSTAND.....SATAN....and....PREACH....THE CALL TO BE HOLY and....THE....FACT....THAT.....

THIS IS...."SATAN"....IMPERSONATING....JESUS CHRIST....NOT THE TRUE MESSIAH....YAHU'SHUA!!!

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THE 144,000 WILL...."REFUSE"....TO....WORSHIP SATAN.
Only THEY will be ENABLED by GOD to FLEE TEMPTAION....RESIST THE DEVIL and OVERCOME....SIN and SATAN.....at this time!

IT IS THE 144,000 WHO WILL STAND AGAINST SATAN AND MAKE GOD'S ENEMIES....HIS FOOTSTOOL....

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Again we see WHO....WILL....OVERCOME....SATAN.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

THE DRAGON....SATAN WENT TO MAKE WAR WITH THE....REMNANT OF HER SEED....( THE TRUE CHURCH CALLED OUT OF THE WORLD BY GOD ) WHICH...."KEEP"....THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

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Re: Angels
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
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Two more angels follow with a "different message" all right



If we read to the end of Rev 14....we see....The Fall of Babylon and The End Times Harvest....OF THOSE ( everyone but the 144,000 ) WHO HAVE TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST.



Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:



THEY SHALL DRINK OF THE WINE OF THE WRATH OF GOD AND BE TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE....in other words....IT'S TOO LATE TO "as you say" TURN TO GOD!



Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


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There is no question of who the TRUE BELIEVERS ARE in my mind....


Let's see if I've got THIS straight....you....CAN'T BELIEVE....that I would use CHRIST'S WORDS.....out of....THE HOLY BIBLE....TO TEACH....THAT....ONLY THOSE WHO.....OBEY CHRIST'S WORDS....and "KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.....ARE TRUE BELIEVERS.....BORN OF GOD'S SPIRIT....



SO....you DON'T "seem" to BELIEVE GOD'S WORD....

You DON'T "seem" to BELIEVE CHRIST'S WORDS....

You DON'T "seem" to BELIEVE WE...."MUST"...."KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS....


You talk about me "Spiritualizing Away" The Temple of God....when GOD'S WORD SAYS....


KNOW YE NOT THAT...."YOU"....ARE THE TEMPLE.....


1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

WHAT....DO YOU THINK.....BEING BORN OF GOD....AND INDWELT WITH....HIS HOLY SPIRIT MEANS???

Only those who HEED THE CALL TO....BE HOLY....AND...."KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS....ARE INDWELT WITH GOD"S SPIRIT OF....LOVE....THE REST OF THE HUMAN RACE IS INDWELT WITH.....SATAN'S SPIRIT....OF....FEAR!!!


WHY IS IT ALL RIGHT FOR....YOU....TO...."SPIRITUALIZE AWAY".....CHRIST'S WORDS.....

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

DON'T YOU KNOW....CHRIST'S WORDS....ARE....SPIRIT???

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

THE WORD OF GOD SAYS.....

YOU ARE THE TEMPLE....

KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS....

OR....

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

DEFILE THE...."TEMPLE"....AND....HIM SHALL GOD....D E S T R O Y



There are MANY REASONS why CHRIST will SAY to...."SOME"....I NEVER KNEW YOU.....


Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


YE THAT WORK INIQUITY....MEANS....YOU WHO SIN!!!!!




ONE of the MAIN REASONS is because THEY....( The Vast Majority of the "Professing" Religious Christian World )....NEVER....KNEW....HIM!




Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'



WHY do you suppose there will be WEEPING and GNASHING of TEETH?




Luke 13:28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.


IMAGINE THEIR HORROR WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT THOSE SCRIPTURES WERE TALKING ABOUT....THEM!!!


There will be "no shortage" of "foolish virgins" who didn't have enough Oil ( truth ) in their lamps.



IMAGINE when they "see people" whom THEY TOLD were GOING to HELL for...."THEIR BELIEFS"....STANDING BESIDE YAHU'SHUA in HIS GOOD GRACES.....oh yes....there will be weeping AND gnashing of teeth.....there really will! Or, ( for example ) when they see the enemies that they CURSED when God's Word CLEARLY tells us to BLESS our ENEMIES....to FORGIVE THEM. Or, like when they REFUSE to ACCEPT CHRIST'S WORDS in THE HOLY BIBLE that TELL US....TO...."KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.


THEY REJECTED THE WORD OF GOD AND BELIEVED SATAN'S LIES. They are hearers only, not doers of God’s word.


They disagreed with dozens and dozens of scriptures....hundreds and hundreds in fact.

Instead....they believed...."Religious Doctrine"...."The Teachings of Men"...."Worldly Rationalizations"...."Satan’s Lies."



Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.



1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



HE THAT CONMMITS SIN....IS OF THE DEVIL ( It's "no wonder" people "prefer" to DISAGREE with God's word....IS IT? )




1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



WHOEVER IS...."BORN OF GOD"....DOES NOT....COMMIT SIN


HE CANNOT SIN


BECAUSE HE IS....BORN....OF....GOD




Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. (Leviticus 20:7-8)


GOD MAKES US HOLY!!!! HE DOES IT....NOT.....US!!! ( get it?)



I think I've made my position VERY CLEAR. There is little point in going around in circles. I have written extensively about this subject on this thread.

If you disagree with my declarations, that's fine.....MOST....DISAGREE with this HARD TEACHING.

It was NEVER my "intent" to try and "convince anyone" that my declarations are true. I am "sharing freely" what I have been "given" through many years of studying God's word Humbly and diligently, as well as being, led and taught by His Holy Spirit.

I hope you will be one of the "very few" who will "examine" these writings and the MANY SCRIPTURES I have provided "very carefully" and REALIZE the DECEPTION that is taking place, in the VAST MAJORITY OF....THE RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN WORLD.



WE...."MUST"....OVERCOME....SIN and SATAN



Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.


Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.





2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


BECAUSE....THEY RECEIVED NOT....THE LOVE OF....THE TRUTH!!! ( they...."DISAGREE"....with GOD'S WORD of TRUTH!!! )




Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



THEY SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD ( could it BE any clearer? )



TRUE DISCIPLES OF CHRIST....OBEY HIS WORDS AND...."KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.


Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


ONLY....THEY....ARE....BORN....OF....GOD'S....SPIRIT. ( the 144,000 who KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS )


THE....REST....ARE....D E C E I V E D....BY....SATAN! ( everybody else....who are DEAD in their SINS and TRESPASSES and REFUSE to OBEY GOD'S WORD and "GIVE UP"....THEIR SINS....FOR OUR LORD....WHO WAS....BEATEN BEYOND HUMAN RECOGNITION....AND....."CRUCIFIED"....TO SAVE US....FROM....OUR....SINS!!!!! )



Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


I HAVE PROVIDED DOZENS and DOZENS and DOZENS of SCRIPTURES on this thread that say we MUST KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS....


I for one....BELIEVE GOD'S WORD....

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS DON'T EXIST FOR THOSE WHO....DESIRE TO KEEP THEIR SINS....MORE...THAN THEY DESIRE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST and BELIEVE....RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE.....THE TEACHINGS OF MEN....AND....SATAN'S LIES....INSTEAD OF....

THE....WORD....OF....GOD!





OUR BIBLES ARE GIVEN TO US BY GOD....JUST THE WAY THEY ARE....TO....TEST....OUR....HEARTS!!!


Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


LEAST or GREAT....in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN


THOSE ARE....CHRIST'S WORDS...not mine.

 

[Litebeam]

Vic C.

Please pardon me. I will try to keep further posts down to a reasonable length.

My apologies...I didn't mean to break the rules.

 

[lecoop]

We have to understand dispensations. If someone tries today, to live under the law, they are cursed, as Paul said, because the will not follow the law 100%.

Jesus lived under the law, and the words he spoke, for the most part, were about life under the law. The age of the church did not start until after Jesus' death and resurrection.

Yes, He did say, if you love me, keep my commandments. But what were His commandments? Love the Father, and love my neighbors. These can only be followed by God's love in us.

If you think only 144,000 will make it, it is too late for you. I am sure that there are many more people that in some way, will be ahead of you. Perhaps they will pray more. Perhaps they will sin less. Perhpas they will have a better attitude. There is probably very little hope that you will be one of the 144,000.

Can you see? Someone would believe that last paragraph! That is why your idea is so silly. It would not give all people hope. Rather, it would give all discouragement!

As I said in the beginning, you mix up the chronology of Revelation. So let's start with something easier, and see if I can undertand where you are at. The last person I every heard with the idea of only 144,000 making it, was a Jehovah's witness who came to my door.

Do you believe in the 70th week of Daniel, as a period of 7 years, still ahead of us; in our future?

If so, when during this week, will the 144,000 be here on the earth, and when will they be in heaven? (Chapter 14 shows them in heaven.)

Perhaps if we start here, we can find some common ground.

Coop

 

[Vic C.]

Vic C.

Please pardon me. I will try to keep further posts down to a reasonable length.

My apologies...I didn't mean to break the rules.

Ok. The rule is there to primarily benefit the poster... then their readers. You can't expect a reader to digest all that is in a very long post. It comes across as self edifying, for lack of a better phrase. I think this says it best:

Perhaps I have very little to say, but I don't like exceptionally long posts and don't bother reading them. It's hard to see the forest for the trees, and one's point gets lost in the multitude of words.

Peace

 

[D46]

I think "Litebeam" needs a bulb replacement so that he may see!! :-D

 

[Lewis]

I think "Litebeam" needs a bulb replacement so that he may see!! :-D

 

[Vic C.]

Easy boys. 8-)

 

[Litebeam]

lecoop

We have to Understand God's Word, not just dispensations....and we have to Obey God's Word. We have to OBEY CHRIST or, we will understand VERY LITTLE.

Those who do not obey Christ and KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS are NOT....BORN of GOD....are NOT OBEYING GOD and they are NOT LISTENING TO GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT.

THEY ARE...."DECEIVED"....BY SATAN....they are listening to the VOICE of FALSE REASON....SATAN.

They believe....Religious Doctrine....The Teachings of Men...and...SATAN'S LIES....that "convinces them" ( rather easily ) that they can KEEP their SINS and STILL HAVE....SPIRITUAL LIFE.

Yes....Yahu'shua ( Jesus proper name ) did say....IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

I'm glad you can SEE that.

As to WHICH COMMANDMENTS we are to KEEP???

ALL OF THEM!

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

WHAT SHALL I DO THAT I MAY....INHERIT....ETERNAL....LIFE?

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother.

YOU...."KNOW"....WHICH COMMANDMENTS ( there are TEN of them )

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

He that KEEPS his commandments....KNOWS....HIM

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

He that doesn't KEEP his comandments....DOESN'T...."KNOW"....HIM

1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1Jo 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

WALK, EVEN AS HE ( YAHU'SHUA CHRIST ) WALKED.

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Yes, Christ said....

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Not only did He say KEEP my commandments....HE MEANT IT!!!

LET US HEAR....

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

THE WHOLE....DUTY OF MAN....FEAR ( reverent awe of ) GOD and...."KEEP"....HIS COMMANDMENTS ( could it BE any clearer? )

Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will isâ€â€his good, pleasing and perfect will.

We are Kidding Ourselves if we think we are being transformed by the renewing of our minds, or that we have the mind of Christ if we CONTINUE TO WALLOW IN OUR SAME OLD SINS.....IF SO....WE ARE NOT NEW CREATURES....AT ALL!!! FURTHERMORE....WE ARE NOT GROWING IN GOD'S SPIRIT!!! AT ALL!!!

IF WE CONTINUE TO...."CLING TO OUR SINS"....WE ARE...."DECEIVED"....BY OUR ADVERSARY....SATAN.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

SATAN...."REALLY DOES"....DECEIVE....THE WHOLE WORLD!

John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing;

We can’t do "such things" by ourselves….that is true. WE WERE NEVER MEANT TO DO SUCH THINGS….BY OURSELVES!

God’s Spirit living in us CAN DO IT ( for us )….IF….WE REALLY WANT TO!!!

Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

YES WE CAN STOP SINNING. GOD’S SPIRIT IS SUFFICIENT.

Romans 6:17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.

l Peter 1:5, "By God's power we are guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Jude 24,25, "Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen."

l Thessalonians 5:23-24, "May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, and he will do it."

1Jn:2:5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1Tm:4:16: Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Jms:1:21: Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

DEPART FROM INIQUITY….FROM SIN

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ said...."Least or Great"....in the Kingdom of Heaven....( could it BE any clearer? )

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If you think I said, or meant, only the 144,000 are going to "MAKE IT" ( as in salvation ) you are incorrect. That is NOT what I am saying at all.

My views on salvation are not allowed on this forum. For now I will reiterate....I DID NOT SAY that ONLY the 144,000 are going to MAKE IT.

I have spelled out clearly that the 144,000 are the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb....the Redeemed from among men and THEY KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS….THEY OVERCOME SIN and SATAN….THEY are HOLY.

THAT is what DISTINGUISHES...."THEM"....from....THE REST OF THE HUMAN RACE....WHO...."WILL"....WORSHIP SATAN....IN THE FINAL END TIMES DECEPTION.

They are the only ones who will NOT be deceived and WILL NOT WORSHIP SATAN. THEY...."KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS

THEY are CALLED by GOD and ENABLED by GOD to DO HIS WILL and OVERCOME....SIN and SATAN.

It has NOTHING to do with whether "they" Pray More....or Sin Less....or, whether they have a "better attitude"....such...."WORKS"....have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT....IT IS UP TO GOD, not us.

We are CALLED to BE HOLY and KEEP GOD'S COMMANDMENTS....when we can agree on THAT.... perhaps we can "begin" to examine "other matters" from a "proper perspective" and even find some "Common Ground".

Until we AGREE that the "whole duty of man" is to revere God and KEEP His commandments, we are not likely to agree very much on other matters, either.

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The 144,000 will be here on Earth...making God's enemies a footstool ( standing against Satan ) until Christ returns.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

 

[lecoop]

Lightbeam, I agree with every scripture you quoted. I must, for they are God's words. However, we are to live by EVERY word of God, not just select ones.

So how do you fit in this one:

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

How do you fit this one in?

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

and this one?

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

What does God mean by "the end of the Law?"
What does God mean, when He says that we are the righteousness of God?

What about this one?

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

I don't want my own righteousness, which I abtain by following the law. I want the righteousness which is of God by faith.

So what do I do with the Law? It is written in my heart! I love God and I love my neighbor as myself. The whole law is contained in God's love in me. Therefore, I will not be sin conscience, but rather, righteousness conscience.

But you are absolutely right: we through the spirit, must crucify the deeds of the flesh. We must walk by the spirit, and not by the flesh. However, are we off track with this thread?

Coop

 

[Litebeam]

lecoop

Actually....SO FAR....you have been DISAGREEING with ALL the SCRIPTURES I have provided that TELL US....WE ARE CALLED TO BE HOLY....WE ARE TO....KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS....and OVERCOME....SIN and SATAN.

So...if you wish to "convince yourself" that "you agree" with every scripture I have quoted....GO AHEAD....you SURE HAVEN'T CONVINCED ME.

I SEE...."NO EVIDENCE"....THAT YOU...."AGREE"....WITH...."ANY"....OF THE SCRIPTURES I HAVE PROVIDED...YOU HAVE and CONTINUE....TO ARGUE AGAINST THEM.

God gave us our bibles JUST THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN....TO TEST OUR HEARTS!!! It will be ABSOLUTELY APPARENT who has OBEYED GOD and STUDIED HIS WORD with ALL their HEART and SOUL and WHO HAS...."NOT"....DONE SO. IT...."REALLY".....WILL!!!

There are NO contradictions in THE BIBLE. NONE.
THE ONLY CONTRADICTIONS ARE IN THE MINDS OF MEN!!!

GOD IS ABSOLUTELY SOVEREIGN and ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY IS TRANSPIRING ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.

The Bible is All True, every single word. It is often mistranslated, misquoted, misinterpreted and misunderstood, nevertheless…..EVERY WORD IS TRUE!!!

God is the Creator of every single mind, thought and thing in existence. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN.

God gave us our Bibles "just the way they are written" to TEST OUR HEARTS!!!

The scriptures YOU are using to ARGUE AGAINST what I have Declared....that we are CALLED TO A HOLY CALLING....
ARE....CREATOR DESIGNED.....TO....TEST....THE....HEARTS....OF....ALL WHO...."PROFESS"....TO....KNOW HIM.

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

He that KEEPS his commandments....KNOWS....HIM

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

He that doesn't KEEP his comandments....DOESN'T...."KNOW"....HIM

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

SO....

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

GOD FORBID THAT WE SHOULD SIN

GOD'S WORD SAYS....WITHOUT HOLINESS....NO MAN SHALL SEE GOD....

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

WE ARE...."CALLED"....TO A...."HOLY".....CALLING!

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

THOSE WHO DO NOT...."STAND ON"....and...."BELIEVE"....GOD'S WORD....WILL…. FALL TO SATAN….( a defeated foe ) ....in the FINAL END TIMES DELUSION and DECEPTION.

Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

DEPART FROM SIN!!!

BE HOLY!!!

Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. (Leviticus 20:7-8)

THE LORD...."MAKES US".... "HOLY"….

IF....

WE are….“EVER“....“FOUND WILLINGâ€Â....to...."GIVE UP OUR SINS" ....for OUR LORD....who SUFFERED TERRIBLY....and DIED for US!!!!

TO SAVE US….FROM…. OUR SINS!!!

I have spelled it out clearly in these several posts on this thread.....there is little use in continuing to repeat these matters....only those who OBEY GOD and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS are BORN of GOD'S SPIRIT and TRUE BELIEVERS of GOD....and HIS WORD OF TRUTH.

OUR HEARTS ARE BEING THOROUGHLY TESTED.....they REALLY ARE!!!
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As to the....LAW....that is another EXTREMELY COMPLEX SUBJECT that has NEARLY EVERYONE CONFUSED. ( Satan IS the Author of confusion )

What is required of us in these last days, is Circumcision of the Heart.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

MY LAW...IN....THEIR....HEARTS!!!!!!!

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

A....NEW CREATURE....ONE THAT...."KEEPS"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS

Phi 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

MY LAWS....IN....THEIR....HEARTS AND MINDS.

THAT MEANS....WE...."KEEP"....GOD'S COVENANT....AND....WE...."KEEP"....GOD'S LAWS.....WE...."OBEY CHRIST"...and WE...."KEEP"....GOD'S COMMANDMENTS!!!

IT MEANS WE...."ARE"...."EXTREMELY"....SIN CONSCIOUS ( not unconscious, like the vast majority of the Religious Christian World ) and WE DILIGENTLY....

Mat 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

SO THAT WE CAN....

2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds;)

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

BRING INTO CAPTIVITY...."EVERY THOUGHT"...TO THE OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST.
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Then there is the matter of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

THE VAST MAJORITY of the RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN WORLD.....ARE UNDER THE...."DELUSION"....THAT...."THEY CHOSE GOD".....They FAIL to COMPREHEND that this is in DIRECT DISAGREEMENT with GOD'S WORD ( God chooses us and "enables us" to Draw Near to Him )....they FAIL to UNDERSTAND how SERIOUS it IS to DISAGREE with GOD'S WORD....They FAIL to REALIZE that they are CLOTHED IN THEIR OWN SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER…..DRAW HIM

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS….NOT ONE

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH….NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

NOT ONE!!!

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph 1:11

HIM WHO WORKETH....“ALL THINGSâ€Â....AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit- fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. This is my command: Love each other. (John15:16-17)

YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

FAITH IS THE GIFT OF GOD!!! NOT OF WORKS!!!!!!!

"Now what have you which you did not OBTAIN? Now if you OBTAINED it also [from GOD] why are you boasting as though [you are] not obtaining [it from God]?" (I Cor. 4:7 Concordant Literal New Testament).

THE VAST MAJORITY of the RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN WORLD....FAIL TO COMPREHEND....THAT....LEFT TO OUR...."OWN DEVICES"....NO ONE WOULD...."WILLINGLY"...."GIVE UP THEIR SINS"....TO....PURSUE GOD...WITH.....ALL THEIR HEART....AND....ALL THEIR SOUL...."NO ONE"...."WOULD EVER"...."OVERCOME"....AND BREAK FREE OF SATAN'S POWER....BY THEMSELVES!!! NO ONE!!! NEVER!!!

THE VAST MAJORITY of the RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN WORLD ARE...."DECIEVED BY SATAN".....BECAUSE....THEY HAVE....NOT OBEYED GOD AND STUDIED HIS WORD WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND SOUL....AND THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD WELL ENOUGH TO.....KNOW THE DIFFERENCE....

SO...THEY...."BELIEVE"....THEY...."CHOSE GOD"....AND....ARE CLOTHED IN THEIR....OWN SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS.

THEY ARE....IN FACT...."CLAIMING FREE WILL"....AND....DENYING....THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD....AND THEY...."FAIL TO UNDERSTAND"....THE...."MAGNITUDE"....OF THE OFFENCE.

THEY...."BELIEVE"....THEY...."CHOSE GOD"....AND....ARE CLOTHED IN THEIR....OWN SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Romans 10:3
Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

Philippians 3:9
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christâ€â€the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.

Those whom...GOD ENABLES....to AGREE with GOD and His Holy Word....regarding these....Deep Matters of God....are ENABLED by GOD to DO HIS WILL and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE DOES IT...not us!

Most Christian’s have NOT sought The Lord with ALL THEIR HEART AND SOUL. Most have settled in to church life and religious teachings and are not studying God’s word with all their heart and soul.

Here is what the original HEBREW says about the word…..SEEK…..

H1245

ba^qash

baw-kash'

A primitive root; to search out (by any method; specifically in worship or prayer); by implication to strive after: - ask, beg, beseech, desire, enquire, get, make inquisition, procure, (make) request, require, seek (for).

In other words STUDY. Study God’s Word. WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL!

Deu 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

ALL YOUR HEART and ALL YOUR SOUL!!! HALF-HEARTED...."WON'T"....CUT IT!!!

2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Those who study God's Word, with ALL THEIR HEART and SOUL, will rightly divide the WORD OF TRUTH....

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Those who don't study God's Word, with ALL THEIR HEART and SOUL....WILL NOT UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD.

IF....we disagree with just one scripture, JUST ONE, we will soon be disagreeing with MANY scriptures. We will soon be DISAGREEING WITH GOD and believing the “Lies of The World.â€Â

If we disagree with GOD’S WORD we disagree with GOD. If we DISAGREE WITH GOD....WE...."AGREE"....WITH SATAN!!!

It is really that "subtle" and that "insidious". It is the plight of the majority of The Religious Christian World!

IT IS THE SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN WORLD IS SLIDING ON!!!

THEY ARE...."CONSTANTLY DISAGREEING".....WITH GOD'S WORD....ABOUT...."MANY THINGS".

It’s enough to tear your heart out, but they ( generally ) REFUSE TO HEED THE WARNINGS

WE CANNOT STOP SINNING ON OUR OWN….That is a fact….

John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing;

By ourselves we can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING….we are CREATED BEINGS….EVEN OUR THOUGHTS ARE CREATED…..we can’t even scratch our nose unless GOD GIVES US THE ENERGY….ALL IS OF GOD!!!

"All is of God" (II Cor. 5:18).

WE CAN’T STOP SINNING ON OUR OWN….we were never meant to do it on our own!!!

Phi 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

GOD CAN DO IT….IF WE TRULY WANT HIM TO….IF WE ARE...."FINALLY"...."FOUND WILLING"....TO...."GIVE UP OUR SINS"….FOR OUR HEAVENLY FATHER!!! HE WILL...."ENABLE"....US TO TURN AWAY FROM SIN!!!

Those who obey God and study His word in a humble Spirit, who seek His wisdom and ask His strength to flee temptation and resist the devil, God enables to do so.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

WE...."MUST"....OVERCOME....SIN and SATAN.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

OUR HEARTS ARE BEING TESTED....THOROUGHLY TESTED!!! They really are!
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This thread is "right on track". We are discussing the "Final End Times Deceptions" and what is Required of....Us....in these Last of the Last Days, as True Disciples and followers of Christ.

 

[Vic C.]

Second reminder:

9a - Please keep posts down to a respectable length and provide source and/or links for your info. We want to respect copyrighted material. Plus, you stand a better chance of getting your post read if it contains a link with an excerpt from source that's relative to your point.

New reminder:

9b - Refrain from all caps and bold, large fonts. Hotlinking of photos is PROHIBITED! We have a thread which explains how to post a photo.

I'm trying to be lenient here and not bust chops, but when my words go in one's ear and out the other, I tend to get irritated. :-?

 

[Litebeam]

Vic C.

Thank you. I appreciate your leniency regarding the length of these posts. The matters being discussed are quite complex and require “some elaboration†in order to get the message across in a full way. The "short answers" to such "complex matters" generally "don't cut it" and often create more strife than they alleviate.

Aside from the scriptures I've posted, these words are written by me and there is no "source and/ or links for my info. ( other than God's spirit )

I apologize again for the long answers and I will keep any further posts down to a respectable length. : :angel:

 

[n2thelight]

Litebeam
123 Christian Friend

SATAN COMES FIRST

Excellent post,the majority of Christaints are not aware of this fact,which is why they will be deceived,especially those waiting on a rapture.

And the two seed lines,most don't know what really happened in the Garden,and thats why they don't understand the end.

Again good post

 

[sisterchristian]

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which is why they will be deceived,especially those waiting on a rapture.

I believe I will be caught up with the Lord (raptured) I don't know about anyone else! :smt102

 

[lecoop]

, I believe I will be caught up with the Lord (raptured) I don't know about anyone else! :smt102

Right on! I will be right with you! These naysayers are just confulsed about a lot of scriptures.

Coop

 

[sisterchristian]

The posts in this thread are ENTIRELY long. Lets keep the down to a readable and respectable length. It's in the rules; check them out. Thanks.

I agree, especially since I am not nor have I ever been a Big reader. These posts make me dizzy! :smt119

 

[lecoop]

:-D Mine was short and to the point! :-D

Coop