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Satan has a Church ?

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Jay T

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Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan".
And this one.......
Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee".

Have you noticed the verses are the 9th verses ?

Let's try just one more, OK ?

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him".

Now, are you intelligent enough to put all 3 together.....and figure out what is going on ?

Clue #1.....First, establish Rev. 12:9 in your mind, and ask yourself...WHY was satan cast out ?

To answer that question, one must study (Isaiah 14:12-14).
(Yes, go ahead and click on it, and read it ).

Now, if you've done that you'll understand Revelation 12:7-9....in a new light.



And, the verses which refer to the 'synagogue of satan' will take on a meaning, that prompted the title to this post.

And guess what else ?

Satan's church, hold their religious services, on....SUNDAY !
 
Satan has churches all right. Any church that subscribes to a gospel other than what Paul preached is, as Paul says, from Satan. :)
 
Jay T said:
Have you noticed the verses are the 9th verses ?

Now, are you intelligent enough to put all 3 together.....and figure out what is going on ?
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The number of the beast is actually '999'! I get it!
 
The synagogue and the church are two different things all together, the synagogue is a PLACE of meeting, the church is a PEOPLE not a place at all. You have taken a doctrine, that is false, to the bible and crammed it in by trying to make apples into bannanas.

SDA doctring is a slippery slope of leglism.
 
Heidi said:
Satan has churches all right. Any church that subscribes to a gospel other than what Paul preached is, as Paul says, from Satan. :)
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Wow !
And all this time, I thought Jesus Christ was the Lord and Savoir.
 
Jay T said:
Heidi said:
Satan has churches all right. Any church that subscribes to a gospel other than what Paul preached is, as Paul says, from Satan. :)
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Wow !
And all this time, I thought Jesus Christ was the Lord and Savoir.
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Sputnik: Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that Paul is the one they worship. Paul is seen to be on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag.
 
SputnikBoy said:
Jay T said:
Heidi said:
Satan has churches all right. Any church that subscribes to a gospel other than what Paul preached is, as Paul says, from Satan. :)
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Wow !
And all this time, I thought Jesus Christ was the Lord and Savoir.
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Sputnik: Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that Paul is the one they worship. Paul is seen to be on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag.
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2 Peter 3:15....... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
sputnikboy said:
Sputnik: Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that Paul is the one they worship. Paul is seen to be on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag.
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This is, of course, Heidi reaping what she has sown on this board- accusing those who disagree with her with worshipping some other god or not being saved.

This does not make your statement any less ridiculous, Sputnik, or any less a personal attack. If this board was properly moderated, such foolishness would not occur, and real debate would commence. Factual debate. But the moderator posts right atop the personal attack, because the attacker swims the same stream as he.

I am quite certain that Heidi does not worship Paul. She may see Paul's writings in a different light than you, or even I, but she has made it very clear who is it that she worships.

Bad theology is not akin to Polytheism or Satan worship. This is a good thing, because most of the people accusing each other are in no position to even critique theology. In all honesty, most people on this board simply are not capable or qualified- but this doesn't stop them.

Bad theology is just bad theology, poor understanding. It is faith and faithfulness that will put one in right standing before He who saves -and many of the people who are able to articulate their pride, which they do on this board, will suffer indignity in the Age to Come.

Knowing as I do the poison of their arrows, I can only ask that God show mercy.
 
Orthodox Christian said:
sputnikboy said:
Sputnik: Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that Paul is the one they worship. Paul is seen to be on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag.
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This is, of course, Heidi reaping what she has sown on this board- accusing those who disagree with her with worshipping some other god or not being saved.

This does not make your statement any less ridiculous, Sputnik, or any less a personal attack. If this board was properly moderated, such foolishness would not occur, and real debate would commence. Factual debate. But the moderator posts right atop the personal attack, because the attacker swims the same stream as he.

I am quite certain that Heidi does not worship Paul. She may see Paul's writings in a different light than you, or even I, but she has made it very clear who is it that she worships.

Bad theology is not akin to Polytheism or Satan worship. This is a good thing, because most of the people accusing each other are in no position to even critique theology. In all honesty, most people on this board simply are not capable or qualified- but this doesn't stop them.

Bad theology is just bad theology, poor understanding. It is faith and faithfulness that will put one in right standing before He who saves -and many of the people who are able to articulate their pride, which they do on this board, will suffer indignity in the Age to Come.

Knowing as I do the poison of their arrows, I can only ask that God show mercy.
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Sputnik: Let me try again. "Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that they regard Paul on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag." Okay, O.C., is that better?

You may do well to realize, O.C., that many who participate on forums such as this are just 'regular Joes'. The beauty of such forums is that one doesn't need a degree in theology in order to contribute. I don't claim to have the ability to articulate in a manner like you. But, guess what? That's because I'm NOT you!

You talk about the poison of 'their' arrows, but you yourself have a belittling tone toward others in a number of your posts. You seem to find it difficult to accept that, as long as someone appears to lack in your own perceived 'religious savvy', then they have nothing worthy to contribute. And, in case you're wondering, we HAVE met on another forum.

As for Heidi, I don't doubt that she's a nice, sincere, Christian person. But, she regularly accuses people of not having the Spirit and even questions their Christianity if their beliefs seem at odds with her particular beliefs. One could be absolutely forgiven for believing that Paul is the God of a number of people on this forum. They perpetually quote his epistles, even though they (Paul's writings) DO appear at times to be contrary to the Word of God. It's as though whatever Paul says 'over-rides' what Jesus might have said previously. In other words, Paul's authority appears to even exceed that of God. Incidentally, I don't believe that Paul intended for this to happen. It's just people and their misunderstandings of Paul's writings.

Anyway, O.C., accept the fact that some of us may not yet have acquired the debating skills of yourself. Don't be so belittling when others don't measure up to your own perceived standards. Then again, maybe they MIGHT know more than you're giving them credit for knowing. Yes, you and I have met previously. I therefore request that, if you have a problem with something I might inadvertantly say, even intentionally, that you take it up with me in a PM instead of whining to a moderator. Pretty please?
 
SputnikBoy said:
Orthodox Christian said:
sputnikboy said:
Sputnik: Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that Paul is the one they worship. Paul is seen to be on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag.
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This is, of course, Heidi reaping what she has sown on this board- accusing those who disagree with her with worshipping some other god or not being saved.

This does not make your statement any less ridiculous, Sputnik, or any less a personal attack. If this board was properly moderated, such foolishness would not occur, and real debate would commence. Factual debate. But the moderator posts right atop the personal attack, because the attacker swims the same stream as he.

I am quite certain that Heidi does not worship Paul. She may see Paul's writings in a different light than you, or even I, but she has made it very clear who is it that she worships.

Bad theology is not akin to Polytheism or Satan worship. This is a good thing, because most of the people accusing each other are in no position to even critique theology. In all honesty, most people on this board simply are not capable or qualified- but this doesn't stop them.

Bad theology is just bad theology, poor understanding. It is faith and faithfulness that will put one in right standing before He who saves -and many of the people who are able to articulate their pride, which they do on this board, will suffer indignity in the Age to Come.

Knowing as I do the poison of their arrows, I can only ask that God show mercy.
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Sputnik: Let me try again. "Not so. Heidi and others have made it clearly evident that they regard Paul on a par with God. This should surely raise a red flag." Okay, O.C., is that better?

You may do well to realize, O.C., that many who participate on forums such as this are just 'regular Joes'. The beauty of such forums is that one doesn't need a degree in theology in order to contribute. I don't claim to have the ability to articulate in a manner like you. But, guess what? That's because I'm NOT you!

You talk about the poison of 'their' arrows, but you yourself have a belittling tone toward others in a number of your posts. You seem to find it difficult to accept that, as long as someone appears to lack in your own perceived 'religious savvy', then they have nothing worthy to contribute. And, in case you're wondering, we HAVE met on another forum.

As for Heidi, I don't doubt that she's a nice, sincere, Christian person. But, she regularly accuses people of not having the Spirit and even questions their Christianity if their beliefs seem at odds with her particular beliefs. One could be absolutely forgiven for believing that Paul is the God of a number of people on this forum. They perpetually quote his epistles, even though they (Paul's writings) DO appear at times to be contrary to the Word of God. It's as though whatever Paul says 'over-rides' what Jesus might have said previously. In other words, Paul's authority appears to even exceed that of God. Incidentally, I don't believe that Paul intended for this to happen. It's just people and their misunderstandings of Paul's writings.

Anyway, O.C., accept the fact that some of us may not yet have acquired the debating skills of yourself. Don't be so belittling when others don't measure up to your own perceived standards. Then again, maybe they MIGHT know more than you're giving them credit for knowing. Yes, you and I have met previously. I therefore request that, if you have a problem with something I might inadvertantly say, even intentionally, that you take it up with me in a PM instead of whining to a moderator. Pretty please?
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Absolutely, if I have issue with you, I will present it respectfully in PM, per your request.

Point of modification: I wasn't whining to the moderator, I was whining about the moderator.

Point of clarification: I think you may have missed the point of my post. I don't take issue with those who don't have deep grasp of theological nuance. In fact, my point was is that such grasp is rare and basically irrelevant to salvation. My point was that I see people, Heidi included, correcting each other harshly on matters they clearly don't even comprehend. The sin is not ignorance, but arrogance.

I fully appreciate that others have a unique voice, and I love to see them express it. It is not my intent to belittle, except the belittlers. That's either irony or hypocrisy on my part- I'm not sure which.

At any rate, please read my previous post in the spirit that it was given...and it was definitely not given in a spirit of condescension.

James
 
Re: paul

reznwerks said:
Heidi said:
Satan has churches all right. Any church that subscribes to a gospel other than what Paul preached is, as Paul says, from Satan. :)
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Paul? Paul never met Jesus and contradicted much of what he said. If there is an imposter look no further. This would be Satans
greatest triumph assuming I believed in Satan.
http://home.inu.net/skeptic/usedcar.html
http://www.voiceofjesus.org/paulvsjesus.html
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Galatians 2:11-15

Paul Opposes Peter
11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Paul the Apostle of the Gentiles encounter with Peter the Apostle to the Jews -

1. Peter and his fellow Jews accused of refusing to eat with fellow Gentile Christians.

2. Peter intimidated by the "circumcision" group (Paul's arch enemies) sent by James, Head of the Jerusalem Church.

3 Paul accusing Peter and his associates of ,"hypocrisy and "not acting in line with the truth of the gospel."

4. Jesus selected Peter as the "Rock" of Christianity, while He appeared to Paul who became Christiany's greatest missionary, writer and theologian.

Christianity has always been subject to different interpretations, even among its 2 greatest apostles.
 
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jamesgarden_47 said:
4. Jesus selected Peter as the "Rock" of Christianity, while He appeared to Paul who became Christiany's greatest missionary, writer and theologian.

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Then why did God give a warning regarding Paul's writings ? 2 Peter 3:15...... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Christianity has always been subject to different interpretations, even among its 2 greatest apostles.
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Interesting...............
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Yes, interesting, huh ?

Is that what God wanted...confusion ?

Or...is there some other being, who delights in confusion, maybe ?
 
John here:
If one reads only Rev. 3:7-17 they can readily see that the synagogue of satan is either one of the two churches mentioned in these verses! Adventists have long layed claim to verses 16-17, that of being Laodicea.

These verses see Adventism 'SPEWED' out as was Israel of old! What is new God asks?? Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15.

But as the new sixth of the seven churches was on the scene in Israel of olds time, notice Revelation 3:10! To Philadelphia (also) in verse 7 we see that it is they that .. "Because thou hast kept the Word of My patience, I will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

As Revelation 12:17 shows, Adventism has again gone down the road of Hebrews 6:6! And who left whom in Christ's first history, and who stayed put?? (see Luke 12:47-48)

And no, these ones are not the Revelation 18:4 false doctrines ones.
1 Peter 4:17 tells us that Adventist have had their FALLING AWAY prior to the 666 test. (see 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
 
John the Baptist said:
John here:
And no, these ones are not the Revelation 18:4 false doctrines ones.
1 Peter 4:17 tells us that Adventist have had their FALLING AWAY prior to the 666 test. (see 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)
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Even the messenger of God...Ellen White, reveals that the, MAJORITY...of SDA's will leave, to join the enemies of God.....
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils".
 
--It is the total candelstick that has again fallen away--

User name: Pastor N.B.
UserEmail: pastornb@bellsouth.net

Comments: The issue is, who is now the Church! Revelation 2:5

Make Desolate? Babylon's wrong doctrines of Revelation 17:5 will be laid aside for the moment. Except for the Blasphemy one, & we will check to 'see' what the Master has to say about the Virgin of Israel and Her standing as far as being Made Desolate is concerned?

In Mark 13:14 we see the [first prophecy] of an Abomination that makes 'HIS OWN' denomination DESOLATE. (yet they still had Virgin Doctrines!) A probationary time period of seven years was seen for Israel of old. Rome was involved then also. During this 27-34AD time period a Shaking took place, a falling away, Separation of His own. (not non/Christians Gentiles yet! Remember the Word's Word of FIRST in 1 Peter 4:17!)

So DESOLATE means what? The Master left! Was put out! In Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse, we see why! Open sin, Filth--then an ABOMINATION that [MATURES] AND MAKES DESOLATE! A FULL CUP! A Shut door Denomination/wise! (a repeat of the Master coming to His own, and again being rejected) Who took his place as Christ was put out? try Matthew 23:15 & Revelation 3:9.

Notice: For Judgement, is the reason He said that He came to them. "For [judgement] I am come unto this world, that they which see not, [might see]; and that they [which see, might be made blind. ... ...Are we blind also?, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: [BUT] now ye say, WE see, therefore your sin remaineth." John 9:39-41. If you check Rev. 3:9 you will read that the 'synagogue of satan' (denomination) is used. Notice the Word's Word... 'that say that they are Jews, [but do lie].' Who took over when Christ was put out in the first history of the first Abomination that maketh DESOLATE? (satan, with a little 's'!)

So here we 'see' the SECOND REPEATED HISTORY that the GodHead tells us about, and with satan being their new leader! Read it in: Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 & 3 S.M. top of pg. 339 The GodHead requires that which is past! What is new? They ask, and do not leave [us] in ignorance.. NOTHING! As Their FOREKNOWLEDGE is laid out before us! Try Romans 4:17's last part. Yet, in neither case did the ex/bride know it had passed the boundaries of their probation! Only the 'made' blind ones will not see!

OK: His own in today's PRESENT DAY TRUTH! (non christians come later. You can write or e-mail me, we are available for lectures)

These are statements that the Seventh-day Adventist Denomination say that they believe in, (its leadership) that it is a [large part of the Three Angels Messages of Re. 14:6-10.] (you be the judge?) The Spirit of Prophecy says: "Popes are corrupt and blasphemous, they did the work which satan appointed them" Great Controversy pg. 77

"Luther denounced them as antichrist." ibid 142-3.

Remember: He came unto His own- "And they received Him not." (they became bastards & severed themselves from the father, by free choice) although they were still professed, [partakers.]!! Read Hebrews 12:5-8. (And were Virgins in doctrinal truths)

What makes the Abomination of Desolation? WHAT WORKS, SHOW THE REJECTION OF CHRIST by His professed? Remember the above, & these below statements as we continue on.

Ok, we see what the Prophet in the Seventh-day Adventist [denomination] says about Pope, but lets see what they believe (or say that they do at least!) about his Priest? Remember they say.. "The Pope is the man of sin, is the representative of satan" SDA Bible Commentary Vol.. 7, pg. 910.

From starting with satan, we then see the Pope as [his] representative. Now we want to go to the Popes helpers! satan, Pope, Priest! (by the way, it was reported in the news some time back, that Catholic Priest's were 4 times to one, compared to the average USA population, as likely to have the Aids Virus)

What do Seventh-day Adventists say that they believe about the Popes helpers?? "People who bow to priests, worship satan' Early Writings pg.213 (do they know this? No.)

"Priests are satans representatives" The Story of Redemption pg. 392

Now back to the 'First', the STARTING of the ABOMINATION THAT MAKES Seventh-day Adventism DESOLATE! (I say First because we will also see another 'second' history at the time of the Mark of the Beast, the repeated history of 70AD)

But in Israelis [Midnight Cry,] who was it that Israel choose? "WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR"?? They 'MOCKED' THEIR MASTER! They 'SPIT UPON Him'!They choose a [new leader!] try Rev. 3:9. They judged "..I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard." Isa. 5:3. Read verse 7 for who the vineyard of the Lord was, and is?

And would the MEMBERSHIP OF THE SDA DENOMINATION do this?? Josh. 7:12's last part? The same history repeated, in Today's Present Day Truth, has been Everlastingly Gospil'ized, and the Master has again been rejected, with a new leader taking over! Isa. 5:3! These ones choose [betwixt Christ and His Vineyard], and they [choose His Vineyard!]! His own rejected their Lord! This was the start of their seven years of probation as a denomination, {THIS IN MATURITY MADE THE VIRGIN DENOMINATION DESOLATE!} The FULL CUP, the CLOSED DOOR! A Christ/less Denomination with a new leader! Rev. 3:9 Notice! And ask yourself, do not the Seventh-day Adventist denomination of [today,] thumb the nose at their professed leader??

In 1990. The year that Robert Folkenburg was elected President of the denomination. (remember seven times + one year for 'dunging' =8) July 9th. and at the 55th. [World] Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. (Where the Master should have been present!!) They were being addressed by Reverend Father Thomas Murphy, chief ecumenical officer of the Indiana Roman Catholic Archdiocese.] (if you are not a Christian & have read the belief & teaching of Adventism thus far, what would you think of [their profession?]--not there belief mind you! try Matthew 23:3 for the Master's thinking on this!)

Again, notice that it is in the 'midst of the week' that the Messiah [shall be cut off]. Try Hebrews 6:6! It was in 1994 that the Adventist review included an insert calling the Whore and her Daughters [Christian Denominations.] Crucifying [both] the Master afresh and putting Him to an open abomination that makes them [desolate,] plus His Three Angel Messages as well! (try Hebrews 6:6) And pay attention to what is said!!! God has good saints in these folds that are in ignorance, yet the FOLDS are as Christ states in Revelation 17:5 in caps!

Its amazing how a person could believe in the truth of Adventism, and all the while even have a slightest 'hint' that Christ could be inside that General Conference session standing hand in hand with the 'd'evils agent??? BUT, THE BOTTOM LINE QUESTION FOR YOU TO ANSWER IS, WHERE WAS HE? AND WHY WAS HE PUT OUT?? Do you remember the TRUTH of Joshua 7:12's last part? This was the first starting of the Abomination that MAKES DESOLATE for Adventism!

No, even the 'sincere' non/christian population can 'see' that this Abomination filled up the cup of the rejection of Christ, for Adventism. And the [only ones] saved when He came unto His own, were the ones who followed HIM OUT OF THE SYNAGOGUE that satan took over! try Matt. 25:6! We hear much today about terrorist, but these ones in this scene are the real terrorist, who are preparing not only themselves for the second death, but you as well! Matt. 23:15!

Then Christ tells the continuing repeated history to be! The 70AD slaughter & its ending for the [worlds] professed Christian. The test of the Mark of the Beast. (yes, some in/mature [sincere] ignorant SDA also)

In Eze. 9 we read in part, "He cried also in my ears with a [LOUD VOICE] (loud cry) ... one man was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn ... And the Glory of the God of Israel ... He called to the man clothed in linen ... And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst ... Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and cry for [all the abominations] that be done in the [midst thereof.] ...And to the others in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite ... [but come not near any man upon whom is the mark.] and begin at my sanctuary.] (1 Peter 4:7-Lev. 16:14 & Heb. 6:6 & Rev. 2:5 & Rev. 3:16) Then they [began at the ancient men which were before the house]. ... And, behold the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn ... reported the matter, saying, I have [done as thou hast commanded] me," (this is the angels work)

Work!? Do you suppose that this was an easy work for the GodHead to do? Exciting? Fun? And the man with the ink horn? smite, let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity?

And these only , the ones who are sealed & saved, the ones who 'sigh and cry' for all the filth & trite that was done, and for the abomination that made Christ's presence permanently Grieved and Quenched away??
An easy work??? :crying:
Remember non/christian friend: That at the start of 27 AD, there was only one [outside] of the soon to be 'shut door' of the Master's Virgin denomination. He had the Fathers blessing on his work. And he also had converts [who then followed the Master into His new denomination.] He was John the Baptist.

And yes, I believe in the Seventh-day Adventist doctrines! But check again the Words of Christ in Matthew 23:3 & Luke 12:47-48.
 
Satan has a church!

To all: The book of Revelation, is, of course, a difficult book to interpret.

But, with careful reading, and an accurate translation, use of a concordance, etc, I believe much confusion could be avoided.

First of all: 1:1 should read, "..things must needs come to pass WITH SPEED," Roth. NT. Not SOON, as if what John describes was starting in his time.

Events will occur speedily.

Next: 1:10 from Rotherham NT: John speaking: "I came to be in Spirit
in the Lord's day;...." John was in Spirit, not on Sunday, but in the Day of the Lord. Only when John is transported to the future by the spirit, THE DAY is then. So it is the Lord's Day.

Next again: The seven ekklesias (Greek) are translated "church", pretty consistently. Ekklesia simply means "a called out group, or body", or the meeting place. And "synagogue" means a "place where people are led together." Thus a meeting place.
My point is, these seven ekklesias could be translated "synagogues", for the seven years, Daniel's 70th week, is all about Israel and their persecution by the nations. These ekkclesias may not exist now, but they will when the time comes.

Finally: The Church/body of Christ will have been raptured and be in the heavenlies (in my opinion). The warnings and promises in this book have nothing to do with the Church/body.

God bless, Bick
 
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--John
 
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