Satan has a Church ?

[Orthodox Christian]

Re: Satan has a church!

To all: The book of Revelation, is, of course, a difficult book to interpret.

Which is why its inclusion in the canon was highly controversial. The concern was that people would become mired in attempting to interpret its rich literary symbolism, and miss the point: Heaven is glorious, Christ is God of all: have faith and perservere!

But, with careful reading, and an accurate translation, use of a concordance, etc, I believe much confusion could be avoided.

There are many translations of this apocalyptic piece. What is need is a clear sense of who wrote it, to whom, why. Also, having a clear historical sense of the historical context is indispensable.

First of all: 1:1 should read, "..things must needs come to pass WITH SPEED," Roth. NT. Not SOON, as if what John describes was starting in his time.

Events will occur speedily.

Next: 1:10 from Rotherham NT: John speaking: "I came to be in Spirit
in the Lord's day;...." John was in Spirit, not on Sunday, but in the Day of the Lord. Only when John is transported to the future by the spirit, THE DAY is then. So it is the Lord's Day.

Interestingly, none of the early fathers, as refelected in their commentaries, saw this to be what John was saying. Not that it matters, save as another attempt by Sabbatarians to discredit the day of Christ's Resurrection as a fitting day of worship

Next again: The seven ekklesias (Greek) are translated "church", pretty consistently. Ekklesia simply means "a called out group, or body", or the meeting place. And "synagogue" means a "place where people are led together." Thus a meeting place.
My point is, these seven ekklesias could be translated "synagogues", for the seven years, Daniel's 70th week, is all about Israel and their persecution by the nations. These ekkclesias may not exist now, but they will when the time comes.

The letter is written to the seven churches which are in Asia. These seven church regions are mentioned specifically by name in the ensuing chapters. John, as a resident of Ephesus, whould have known well the churches in Asia, as an Apostle and as a citizen.

The Seven Ages approach to understanding the Iohannine Apokalupsis
is complete bunk.

Finally: The Church/body of Christ will have been raptured and be in the heavenlies (in my opinion). The warnings and promises in this book have nothing to do with the Church/body.

God bless, Bick

And here you demonstrate that you do not understand this in the least. There is a very clear message to every Christian in Revelation. This is why it was incorporated into holy scripture as canon.

 

[Jay T]

Re: Satan has a church!

To all: The book of Revelation, is, of course, a difficult book to interpret.

Without combing the book of Daniel, in ones study of the book of Revelation...the book of Revelation is impossible to understand fully !

For example: The book of Revelation mentions the Mark of the Beast, BUT....the book of Daniel tells us who...the beast is.

 

[John the Baptist]

Re: Satan has a church!

To all: The book of Revelation, is, of course, a difficult book to interpret.

Without combing the book of Daniel, in ones study of the book of Revelation...the book of Revelation is impossible to understand fully !

For example: The book of Revelation mentions the Mark of the Beast, BUT....the book of Daniel tells us who...the beast is.

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John here:
And even then all of histories pictorial 'image' does not seem to be to complicated? Daniel 2:31-45 right up to the END! (These are 4 Metal composites & toes)

And Daniel 7:3-26 with even more light & detail of THREE horns plucked up, and right up to the JUDGEMENT. (These are the same world kingdoms seen as Beasts with ten horns instead of toes)

Then the History repeated as seen in Revelation 13:1-4 with more truth & notice John looking in hindsight, and the one who gave this head that was wounded near unto death, his power! (from toes to horns to heads with the name of blasphemy) And Revelation 17:1-5 surely can be verified by reading Fox book of martyr's. Over 150 million Christian's it was stated, and with perhaps that even being a low estimate?

And What is the largest church & state with this record!

 

[Jay T]

Re: Satan has a church!

[Then the History repeated as seen in Revelation 13:1-4 with more truth & notice John looking in hindsight, and the one who gave this head that was wounded near unto death, his power! (from toes to horns to heads with the name of blasphemy) And Revelation 17:1-5 surely can be verified by reading Fox book of martyr's. Over 150 million Christian's it was stated, and with perhaps that even being a low estimate?

And What is the largest church & state with this record!

The Bible does point in the direction of the Catholic church again ruling over the world !

 

[Jay T]

Re: Satan has a church!

[Then the History repeated as seen in Revelation 13:1-4 with more truth & notice John looking in hindsight, and the one who gave this head that was wounded near unto death, his power! (from toes to horns to heads with the name of blasphemy) And Revelation 17:1-5 surely can be verified by reading Fox book of martyr's. Over 150 million Christian's it was stated, and with perhaps that even being a low estimate?

And What is the largest church & state with this record!

The Bible does point in the direction of the Catholic church again ruling over the world !