Bible Study Satan Incites David.

[reba]

You are so right Reba, you get Choppers HOME RUN award for that statement. It wasn't so under the Old Covenant. In this study, if you read further to V.14 it says that 70,000 men of Israel fell. David's sin cost him greatly as well as his people. I'm so glad for Grace!!

We can see how the important leaders are... When they 'fall ' they take folks with'em... Another picture of this is the guys holding up the arms of Moses ...
Exo 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.
Exo 17:12 But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
There does not seem to me to be a way we do not need to support our leaders..physically emotionally etc..
All the while being so thankful for the Covenant in the Blood of the Christ... So much better then the blood of a foreskin...

 

[th1b.taylor]

But there are hundreds of examples in the Bible of how God changes His means of getting things done and how He changes methods in dealing with individual people

It was this in the quote.

 

[Deborah13]

It was this in the quote.

That would take, in some cases, quoting many scriptures for just one example. So maybe you will accept a short description about the more obvious ones.
When God raises Joseph to power in Pharaoh's house, He does it by first causing Joseph to become a slave. When He raises Moses up to power in Pharaoh's house, He does it by bringing Moses out of slavery and into Pharaoh's family from childhood.
Two very different means/methods of achieving the same thing.
We could use these same two people to show how He works differently in different people's lives as individuals as well but that's in depth. So how about Peter and Paul.
God grows Peter's mighty faith over time. He see, hears, and touches the Messiah in the flesh and sees Him do miracles in the flesh. Peter walks on water, as long as he keeps his eyes on Jesus, he receives power to also heal, etc., he is sifted by satan, etc..Then he sees, hears, and touches the risen Lord, flesh and bone.
God strikes Paul down on the road to Damascus and takes away his physical sight for three days. Now he can only see the Lord in his spirit. The Lord does not appear to him in the flesh. God takes him away from Jerusalem and teaches him for about 14 yrs. in Arabia. He takes him away from the place where Saul had so much worldly power and temptations to exert that power.
So different teaching methods for two very different men. They were different in their position/power in the world and different in their character/nature.

 

[Deborah13]

th1b.taylor
Hi Bill, you had asked me questions about this portion of a post I made.

But there are hundreds of examples in the Bible of how God changes His means of getting things done and how He changes methods in dealing with individual people.

You asked....

I'll need at least two examples to work with as I have never seen this in scripture.

I did respond in post # 23.

What say ye?
Now do you see what I mean, by saying God's nature never changes, but how He does things, is not always the same?

 

[th1b.taylor]

That would take, in some cases, quoting many scriptures for just one example. So maybe you will accept a short description about the more obvious ones.
When God raises Joseph to power in Pharaoh's house, He does it by first causing Joseph to become a slave. When He raises Moses up to power in Pharaoh's house, He does it by bringing Moses out of slavery and into Pharaoh's family from childhood.
Two very different means/methods of achieving the same thing.

Not really. Man is given free will to live as he or she chooses and God works from where one begins and from where one is when called. God has done the same thing for two individuals that were at different levels because of human influences.

We could use these same two people to show how He works differently in different people's lives as individuals as well but that's in depth. So how about Peter and Paul.
God grows Peter's mighty faith over time. He see, hears, and touches the Messiah in the flesh and sees Him do miracles in the flesh. Peter walks on water, as long as he keeps his eyes on Jesus, he receives power to also heal, etc., he is sifted by satan, etc..Then he sees, hears, and touches the risen Lord, flesh and bone.
God strikes Paul down on the road to Damascus and takes away his physical sight for three days. Now he can only see the Lord in his spirit. The Lord does not appear to him in the flesh. God takes him away from Jerusalem and teaches him for about 14 yrs. in Arabia. He takes him away from the place where Saul had so much worldly power and temptations to exert that power.
So different teaching methods for two very different men. They were different in their position/power in the world and different in their character/nature.

Again, God takes them from where they are to lift them to the same point. Paul explains in Galatians 1 that he, like Peter, sat at the feet of Jesus for three years, being taught the Gospel. And both of them needed their eyes closed to the idea of Salvation through the keeping of the Commandments and opened to the Salvation through faith.

If we take the time to study we find that Saul/Paul held the cloaks/oversaw the execution of Stephen, not long after the death on the cross of Jesus. Men, as men are, do not suddenly rise to such powerful positions. I tend to see Paul at the execution of Jesus, though he was not the most important and thus not mentioned. But God took them from where they were and used the most effective means to bring them to the same point.

While the mechanics, because they were different personalities, were different, the means was the best possible for each making them fall into the same category.

 

[th1b.taylor]

th1b.taylor
Hi Bill, you had asked me questions about this portion of a post I made.

You asked....

I did respond in post # 23.

What say ye?
Now do you see what I mean, by saying God's nature never changes, but how He does things, is not always the same?

Deb,
I did not answer right away because i went down for about 18 hours of sleep. I, often, sleep off headaches for as long as 72 hours before waking. My wife and daughter, from time to time, get ready to call the county and the VA to inter my remains. I do my best to never stall an answer but when a new lesion grows into place on my brain, it takes me down and the only way I can handle the pain is to sleep it off.

Sorry to keep you waiting, but.

 

[JLB]

In my study of 1 Chronicles 21:1, I saw where David numbered Israel because Satan "incited" him to do it. God was not pleased with David as well as David's chief warrior Joab.

I'd like to discuss, how could David who on many occasions "sought the Lord" for His direction, but now, acts quickly before consulting God? Also, what can we learn from this incident.

Perhaps Satan is all to busy making us make foolish decisions which are out of the will of our Lord. Is it time for us to be very diligent to seek the will of God in many of our decisions?

Very good point. :nod

 

[Deborah13]

While the mechanics, because they were different personalities, were different, the means was the best possible for each making them fall into the same category.

You say tomato, I say tomato
You say mechanics, I say means/methods

Sorry to keep you waiting, but.

No apology necessary Bill, I hope you are feeling much better.
I thought maybe you missed the post, I have done that before. I've never seen you completely shy away from an issue.