satan's many names

[n2thelight]

Here is a list of some of the other names for Satan in the Bible. Satan plays many roles and by knowing them it will give us a better understanding to his method of operation. The Scripture reference is not a complete list of every time these names are used, it is there to give you an example of how it is used in the Bible.
Name
Reference
Definition

Abaddon
Revelation 9:11
a destroying angel

The accuser of our brethren
Revelation 12:10
against one in the assembly, i.e. a complaintant at law; specially, Satan

The adversary
I Peter 5:8
an opponent (in a lawsuit); specially, Satan (as the arch-enemy)

Apollyon
Revelation 9:11
a destroyer (i.e. Satan)

Beelzebub
Matthew 12:24 Mark 3:22 Luke 11:15
dung-god; Beelzebul, a name of Satan

Belial
II Corinthians 6:15
worthlessness; Belial, as an epithet of Satan

the Devil
Matthew 4:1
a traducer; specially, Satan: false accuser, devil, slanderer.

dragon
Revelation 12:9 and 20:2
probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look); a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate)

the enemy
Matthew 13:39
from a primary echtho (to hate); hateful (passively, odious, or actively, hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan)

father of all lies
John 8:44
a falsifier

god of this world
II Corinthians 4:4
god is used generically and refers to Satan

king of Babylon
Isaiah 14:4
confusion; Babel (i.e. Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire

king of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:12
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

little horn
Daniel 7:8
a horn (as projecting); by implication, a flask, cornet; by resembl. an elephant's tooth (i.e. ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively, power

Lucifer
Isaiah 14:12
(in the sense of brightness); the morning star: lucifer (the king of Babylon). Satan is the false morning star. Christ is the true morning Star.

man of sin
II Thessalonians 2:3
Satan was the first to sin. See Ezekiel 28:11-19

that old serpent
Revelation 12:9 and 20:2
old = original or primeval

serpent = (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake, figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan

power of darkness
Colossians 1:13
"shade" or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration])

prince of the power of the air
Ephesians 2:2
prince = a first (in rank or power)
power = privilege, i.e. (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely, magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence

prince that shall come
Daniel 9:26
a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious; generally (abstractly, plural), honorable themes. See II Thessalonians 2:3-4 and Revelation 12:7-9

prince of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:2
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

prince of this world
John 12:31
prince = a first (in rank or power)
world = orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally])

rulers of the darkness of this world
Ephesians 6:12
rulers = a world-ruler, an epithet of Satan
darkness = shadiness, i.e. obscurity (literally or figuratively)

Satan
Job 1:6
an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good.

serpent
Genesis 3:1
properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate

son of perdition
John 17:12
II Thessalonians 2:3
ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal) also to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively

the tempter
Matthew 4:3
to test (objectively), i.e. endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline

the wicked one
Matthew 13:19
hurtful, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence) figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Friend, I'd be careful about a few of these as they most likely are not references to man's adversary but instead are references to other men.

king of Babylon
Isaiah 14:4
confusion; Babel (i.e. Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire

king of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:12
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

little horn
Daniel 7:8
a horn (as projecting); by implication, a flask, cornet; by resembl. an elephant's tooth (i.e. ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively, power

Lucifer
Isaiah 14:12
(in the sense of brightness); the morning star: lucifer (the king of Babylon). Satan is the false morning star. Christ is the true morning Star.

man of sin
II Thessalonians 2:3
Satan was the first to sin. See Ezekiel 28:11-19

 

[n2thelight]

Friend, I'd be careful about a few of these as they most likely are not references to man's adversary but instead are references to other men.

king of Babylon
Isaiah 14:4
confusion; Babel (i.e. Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire

king of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:12
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

little horn
Daniel 7:8
a horn (as projecting); by implication, a flask, cornet; by resembl. an elephant's tooth (i.e. ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively, power

Lucifer
Isaiah 14:12
(in the sense of brightness); the morning star: lucifer (the king of Babylon). Satan is the false morning star. Christ is the true morning Star.

man of sin
II Thessalonians 2:3
Satan was the first to sin. See Ezekiel 28:11-19





I beg to differ,these are in fact names for satan,thx anyway

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

king of Babylon
Isaiah 14:4
confusion; Babel (i.e. Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire

king of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:12
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

little horn
Daniel 7:8
a horn (as projecting); by implication, a flask, cornet; by resembl. an elephant's tooth (i.e. ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively, power

Lucifer
Isaiah 14:12
(in the sense of brightness); the morning star: lucifer (the king of Babylon). Satan is the false morning star. Christ is the true morning Star.

man of sin
II Thessalonians 2:3
Satan was the first to sin. See Ezekiel 28:11-19





I beg to differ,these are in fact names for satan,thx anyway

Bold proclamation, might I ask for proof or documentation that backs your claims about these texts.

 

[AKJVReader]

Abaddon
Revelation 9:11
a destroying angel

Apollyon
Revelation 9:11
a destroyer (i.e. Satan)

little horn
Daniel 7:8
a horn (as projecting); by implication, a flask, cornet; by resembl. an elephant's tooth (i.e. ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively, power

rulers of the darkness of this world
Ephesians 6:12
rulers = a world-ruler, an epithet of Satan
darkness = shadiness, i.e. obscurity (literally or figuratively)

These aren't direct references to Satan. The first two are a fallen angel. The little horn is not satan but a king or a person. The rulers of darkness are many wicked entities, not just satan.

 

[Feldew]

Thank you for your contribution, n2thelight.

I think regardless of whether or not all of these names specifically point to Satan or simply unbelievers, they still point to Satan--for whoever isn't with God is against Him and is therefore with Satan. (Reference to Matthew 12:30)

 

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Thank you for your contribution, n2thelight.

I think regardless of whether or not all of these names specifically point to Satan or simply unbelievers, they still point to Satan--for whoever isn't with God is against Him and is therefore with Satan. (Reference to Matthew 12:30)

Certainly can't fault your vision there Feldew.

I'd add:

Seeder of Tares who are children of the devil (not mankind!):


Matt. 13

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Yeah, that would be devils, not our neighbors.

And, since we are on the subject, the wicked one, as shown above

One might also include 'wicked servant' in the mix as well.

Savor-er of the things of men:

Mark 8:33
But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

An action verb, certainly, but a tag nonetheless.

And while we're at it, look where Satan was located! Yes, that's right...in Peter. Satan also entered Judas. Even Paul had a 'devil' a messenger of Satan in or upon both flesh (2 Cor. 12:7) and mind (Romans 7:17-21)

So, his location? Obviously 'in mankind.'

Kinda makes things more interesting when reading this from Paul:

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

What 'temple' might that be? hmmmm? Looks like the bodies of mankind to me.

Lots of physical usurpers of the temple(s) physical in the text. Pointing to perhaps the 'real' one? imho, yes. Physicality in the OT and even the NT is often to show us the spiritual realities of these matters.

enjoy!

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[Drew]

And while we're at it, look where Satan was located! Yes, that's right...in Peter. Satan also entered Judas. Even Paul had a 'devil' a messenger of Satan in or upon both flesh (2 Cor. 12:7) and mind (Romans 7:17-21)

So, his location? Obviously 'in mankind.'

I doubt it - I do not believe it is scriptural to see the "new creation" that is the Christian as in any sense being a "place" where Satan is to be found.

With respect to Peter: Are you refering to the "get behind me, Satan" saying. If so, I do not think that Jesus is suggesting that Satan is "in" Peter in any real sense - I suggest Jesus is merely suggesting that Peter would be co-operating with Satan if he (Peter) were to proceed as he (Peter) was thinking.

As for Paul, you and I have been down this road before. It simply does not work to see Romans 7 as a description of Paul in his Christian state. We can revisit the relevent arguments if you wish.

Kinda makes things more interesting when reading this from Paul:

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

What 'temple' might that be? hmmmm? Looks like the bodies of mankind to me.

I think this is a prophecy about the real temple, not the temple as understood to be the human person.

I see no scriptural evidence for the notion that Satan in any sense "inhabits" the believer. But, please, make your case.

 

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I doubt it - I do not believe it is scriptural to see the "new creation" that is the Christian as in any sense being a "place" where Satan is to be found.

You are welcome to deny temptation of thought as being of Satan or that being entrance therein. I can not say that view is true according to the scriptures.

With respect to Peter: Are you refering to the "get behind me, Satan" saying. If so, I do not think that Jesus is suggesting that Satan is "in" Peter in any real sense -

Nor do I. That event and Satan's entering into Judas shows that it happens, plain and simple, no matter how you see it or try to alter it. It's just a fact.

I suggest Jesus is merely suggesting that Peter would be co-operating with Satan if he (Peter) were to proceed as he (Peter) was thinking.

See it however you wish. Makes no difference to me. Logic dictates that where the text says Satan enters, then text is true and any mitigation of the fact is irrelevant spin.

As for Paul, you and I have been down this road before. It simply does not work to see Romans 7 as a description of Paul in his Christian state. We can revisit the relevent arguments if you wish.

All sin, have sin and do sin. All sin is connected to the devil via 1 John 3:8. It is impossible to avoid that connection or to delink the devil from sin. The text links Satan to sin in man in many places. Too many to recount for those unfamiliar with reading, seeing or understanding the statements of facts in the text.

I think this is a prophecy about the real temple, not the temple as understood to be the human person.

Again, you are welcome to see 'the temple' matters any way you please. I'll stick with Paul on this one.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple-

Believers not accustomed to seeing analogies cannot make good connections to other showings of these matters.

The ultimate use of the Temple, man's bodies, are this:

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The fact in our current lives is that there are other things going on within those temples that are not in perfect accord with God, nor can they be until the sources of conflict are eliminated by God Himself, which is a promise of the Gospel at some point in the future.

I see no scriptural evidence for the notion that Satan in any sense "inhabits" the believer. But, please, make your case.

Truth is confirmed in temples who do not lie to themselves. I do not control your temple or what transpires therein. You are welcome to abide therein under any axioms you 'think' transpires therein. I can not deny the obvious, if the text has pointed me to certain truth about temptations by the tempter transpiring therein, nor will I say that does not happen, because that makes me a deceived liar, and I just don't see that as cool whatsoever.

enjoy!

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[jasoncran]

if God dwells within me and satan how then does satan not burn up? what does belial have in common with God?

you give too much power to the devil. i dont underestimate him but you almost put on him equal grounds with God!

 

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if God dwells within me and satan how then does satan not burn up? what does belial have in common with God?

you give too much power to the devil. i dont underestimate him but you almost put on him equal grounds with God!

Let's not sensationalize the fact Jason.

If we acknowledge the facts, we certainly find the tempter, Satan, inserting temptation in mind. There is also no logical way to extract Satan, the devil from the equation of being involved with sin from thought through to deed. It's just a fact. All sin, have sinned and sin is of the devil per 1 John 3:8.

The notion of this being some form of possession is patently false.

This is what Jesus taught in these matters. I listen to these facts and am truthful in saying, yes, Jesus is Truth and Truthful in these facts. I have zero reasons to disagree with these matters as He taught them:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

If you truthfully, as being 'in Truth' acknowledge that temptation is inserted into your mind by Satan in any of the above ways, or that 1 John 3:8 links every sin to the devil, then you are factually acknowledging the entrance of the devil into your temple, period.

Any of you are welcome to live in denial of the facts. Doesn't matter to me. I consider all such statements as coming from blinded believers who are in fact blinded by the god of this world 'on this particular matter.' It certainly 'does not mean' I think any less of any of you as believers, understanding what happens to us all in the Light of His Words.

Make of it what you will, or can.

enjoy!

s

 

[Lehigh3]

Let's not sensationalize the fact Jason.

If we acknowledge the facts, we certainly find the tempter, Satan, inserting temptation in mind. There is also no logical way to extract Satan, the devil from the equation of being involved with sin from thought through to deed. It's just a fact. All sin, have sinned and sin is of the devil per 1 John 3:8.

The notion of this being some form of possession is patently false.

This is what Jesus taught in these matters. I listen to these facts and am truthful in saying, yes, Jesus is Truth and Truthful in these facts. I have zero reasons to disagree with these matters as He taught them:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

If you truthfully, as being 'in Truth' acknowledge that temptation is inserted into your mind by Satan in any of the above ways, or that 1 John 3:8 links every sin to the devil, then you are factually acknowledging the entrance of the devil into your temple, period.

Any of you are welcome to live in denial of the facts. Doesn't matter to me. I consider all such statements as coming from blinded believers who are in fact blinded by the god of this world 'on this particular matter.' It certainly 'does not mean' I think any less of any of you as believers, understanding what happens to us all in the Light of His Words.

Make of it what you will, or can.

enjoy!

s

What nonsense!

ALL the parables were during the end of the Jewish age. Jesus spoke in PARABLES...why? What reason did He tell the apostles WHY , when the apostles asked "why do YOU speak to them in parables" Hello, who was Jesus talking about? Not the apostles, the Messianic Jews- but still He was speaking to Jews who were blinded. Hello.

That wicked generation (of Jews) is repeated by Jesus in the N.T. Who "fathered the Jews" as accused by the Lord?
Who? I'll tell you who. Satan!

John 8:37(NKJV)

Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s


37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[a] your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Rev.20:7-10 NKJV, (end of the age-AD70)

Satanic Rebellion Crushed


7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


Satanic rebellion crushed! That is a remarkable piece of prophecy that I pray you understand!

 

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What nonsense!

Prove it.

ALL the parables were during the end of the Jewish age. Jesus spoke in PARABLES...why? What reason did He tell the apostles WHY , when the apostles asked "why do YOU speak to them in parables" Hello, who was Jesus talking about? Not the apostles, the Messianic Jews- but still He was speaking to Jews who were blinded. Hello.

You can eradicate or diminish The Words of God in Christ any way you wish.

Again, I will listen to Jesus on this matter, which makes your view and intentions false.

Satan also tries to twist The Word of God. This is what Jesus said about Gods Words (whether they be in parable or not)

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Not just Jews, not just people alive at the time Jesus, God on earth in flesh but man, period. To attempt to eradicate The Words of God or His Christ remain futile.

That wicked generation (of Jews) is repeated by Jesus in the N.T. Who "fathered the Jews" as accused by the Lord?
Who? I'll tell you who. Satan!

And that just makes you another anti-semetic. Nothing more. Again, Gods Words teach otherwise...Deut. 14:1 and Psalm 82:6 if you care to read them.

I would hope the moderators see your lunacy, and ban such views for the anti-semitism they openly are, which view also contradicts the Word as I noted.

John 8:37(NKJV)

Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s

37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[a] your father.â€
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.â€
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.â€
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.â€
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.â€

Rev.20:7-10 NKJV, (end of the age-AD70)

Jesus was speaking to devils in those men, just as He spoke to Satan in Peter. You on the other hand must make devils men, which is impossibly absurd via the scriptures.

Get both entities on the table, overlap them in the same body, and it works just fine, thank you. Jesus cast out devils on nearly every page of the N.T. 'showing openly' that they were assuredly 'not' the same as the people's bodies they were in. The man of the Gergesenes comes immediately to mind, wherein a legion of demons dwelt. Jesus cast them out, and the man returned to his 'right mind.'

Satanic Rebellion Crushed


7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Satanic rebellion crushed! That is a remarkable piece of prophecy that I pray you understand!

I do not accept your past tense views of any of Gods Words, period. They don't hold up to the facts.

enjoy!

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[Lehigh3]

Satan also tries to twist The Word of God. This is what Jesus said about Gods Words (whether they be in parable or not)

Oh boy, you do need help.
Satan can't "twist" God's words bc his works have been destroyed. And ALL the parables WERE directed to the Jews (wheat were the faithful Jews- tares were the Jews after the flesh) in the time frame of who lived the "ends of the ages" ( see Hebrews) in the 1st century AD.
The "age to come" the gospel age- came & is forever. The Jewish or Mosaic age ended.

That "evil age" with the unclean spirits too- ended in AD70.
Let's look at the proof:
Galatians 1:2-5 NKJV,
2 and all the brethren who are with me,

To the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen. [emph. mine]


Eph.6 NKJV,
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.- [emph. mine]


Rom.16:20 NKJV,
20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. [emph. mine]

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Not just Jews, not just people alive at the time Jesus, God on earth in flesh but man, period. To attempt to eradicate The Words of God or His Christ remain futile

Satan tempting Jesus in that whole passage. So NOT a PARABLE! "body & blood" of Jesus? So NOT a PARABLE!

And that just makes you another anti-semetic. Nothing more. Again, Gods Words teach otherwise...Deut. 14:1 and Psalm 82:6 if you care to read them.

I would hope the moderators see your lunacy, and ban such views for the anti-semitism they openly are, which view also contradicts the Word as I noted.

That's like calling Jesus ANTI-SEMITIC for what He said to the Pharisees & leaders of the synagogue! (Repeat reading of John 8:37-47 for you & more - Matt.23, etc)
And Paul too, for that matter! The thorn from Satan in his side was none other than the Judaizers again! Yes, evil men who wanted to stop the gospel & the newborn church!
Deut.14:1? Are you kidding? The Law & next is the clean & unclean meats. This is God giving the Law to Moses for the ppl of Israel in the O.T. This is when they weren't in that "wicked generation" of Jews from AD30-70- Nor had Messiah come. You have no context regarding Satan in that vs. - only that the Law was the ministration of death- as Paul described. Otherwise, The Old Covenant was very much alive & to be obeyed.
Psa. 82:6? Same as Deut.14:1. The Israelites were still God's chosen ppl at that time.

Jesus was speaking to devils in those men, just as He spoke to Satan in Peter. You on the other hand must make devils men, which is impossibly absurd via the scriptures.

There WAS a Satan, & he was very active in that age (if you notice the difference in the N.T. & OT. activity of Satan) But for one, Christ met Satan incarnate - & he no longer can indwell anyone.
Yes, Satan indwelt Judas during that time- but Jesus doesn't use that expression against Peter bc Peter had any "devil" in him. Read it & learn-
Matt.16:22-23 NKJV,
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!â€
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.â€

Jesus used that expression about Satan as a source of evil or temptation. And if you ponder it carefully- you will see that Christ is definitely equating Peter's words as man's words, being evil in this sense- in that the aren't in the mind of what God planned/plans.

But I thank you for making me remember my favorite expression of my brother (as in sibling) "Get behind me , Satan!"


Always in vogue to me! (laughter from heaven)

 

[jasoncran]

Let's not sensationalize the fact Jason.

If we acknowledge the facts, we certainly find the tempter, Satan, inserting temptation in mind. There is also no logical way to extract Satan, the devil from the equation of being involved with sin from thought through to deed. It's just a fact. All sin, have sinned and sin is of the devil per 1 John 3:8.

The notion of this being some form of possession is patently false.

This is what Jesus taught in these matters. I listen to these facts and am truthful in saying, yes, Jesus is Truth and Truthful in these facts. I have zero reasons to disagree with these matters as He taught them:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Matthew 13:19
When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

If you truthfully, as being 'in Truth' acknowledge that temptation is inserted into your mind by Satan in any of the above ways, or that 1 John 3:8 links every sin to the devil, then you are factually acknowledging the entrance of the devil into your temple, period.

Any of you are welcome to live in denial of the facts. Doesn't matter to me. I consider all such statements as coming from blinded believers who are in fact blinded by the god of this world 'on this particular matter.' It certainly 'does not mean' I think any less of any of you as believers, understanding what happens to us all in the Light of His Words.

Make of it what you will, or can.

enjoy!

s

you need to clarify that more clearly. of course satan can block gods word via distraction. if it was a lehigh3 said. then porn,homosexual thoughts for others should have been just a prayer and done with for the penantant.

sometimes it is,bisexuality for me was, but not porn 15 yr struggle.sure i could stop for a few months but evertime i tried to control them thoughts it was as if satan knew. if i just get ms thing to walk by wearing very revealing clothes that will put him back on track to hell.

or the images of nude women in my had would call me as if they were alive.either our flesh is so weak and we strong that we are just lazy and love sin. or theres something else to this.

 

[jasoncran]

lehigh3 isnt antisemitic when she said the verse on jn 8:44. i usually fish out those here so that i know who they are and avoid them. let me ask you this. ye are of your father the devil, the father of the lies.

satan has children in the spiritual realm? angels can mate in the spirit world with each other and produce kids?wheres that in the bible.

 

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Oh boy, you do need help.
Satan can't "twist" God's words bc his works have been destroyed.

Uh huh. That's why there is still sin, evil and death, right. lol

What was taken away at the cross was 'attribution of sin' unto mankind. See 2 Cor. 5:29 for ref.

And ALL the parables WERE directed to the Jews (wheat were the faithful Jews- tares were the Jews after the flesh) in the time frame of who lived the "ends of the ages" ( see Hebrews) in the 1st century AD.

Sure, only if you discount that 'man' shall live by every Word of God. Can't do that, sorry. Jesus was right. Do the math on your view from there.

The "age to come" the gospel age- came & is forever. The Jewish or Mosaic age ended.

God doesn't change His workings. Again, sorry.

That "evil age" with the unclean spirits too- ended in AD70.
Let's look at the proof:
Galatians 1:2-5 NKJV,
2 and all the brethren who are with me,

To the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen. [emph. mine]

Emphasis, present evil age. Your entire premise revolves around the destruction of Jerusalem as the finality of that present evil age. Unfortunately evil, sin and death are still here and therefore your story doesn't compute.

Nice try tho.

Eph.6 NKJV,

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.- [emph. mine]


Rom.16:20 NKJV,
20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. [emph. mine]

Satan tempting Jesus in that whole passage. So NOT a PARABLE! "body & blood" of Jesus? So NOT a PARABLE!

Gods Words whether parable or direct confrontation are universally and presently applicable in abundant ways.

That's like calling Jesus ANTI-SEMITIC for what He said to the Pharisees & leaders of the synagogue! (Repeat reading of John 8:37-47 for you & more - Matt.23, etc)

Again, says you. I clearly hear Jesus addressing children of the devil in those men. Why can't you hear, or read?

And Paul too, for that matter! The thorn from Satan in his side was none other than the Judaizers again! Yes, evil men who wanted to stop the gospel & the newborn church!

That is really a hoot. Did you bother to look up that all of Israel are Gods children in Deut. 14:1 and Psalm 82:6. Now you make them devils or satan? Did God have satanic children? lol again.

Bottom line is that there is a separate entity class that is not mankind called 'satan and devils.' Jesus clearly showed these entities to be 'in' the flesh/mind of mankind, cast them out, spoke to them, rebuked them...in man, as another entity. And taught about them as well as in the texts noted prior among a myriad of others similar, like this one:

Matthew 12:
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

IF you want to learn the meaning of 'all' parables, just brush up on this 'key:'

Mark 4:
13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
14 The sower soweth the word. 15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.


All parables are about Satan and mankind.

Deut.14:1? Are you kidding? The Law & next is the clean & unclean meats. This is God giving the Law to Moses for the ppl of Israel in the O.T. This is when they weren't in that "wicked generation" of Jews from AD30-70- Nor had Messiah come. You have no context regarding Satan in that vs. - only that the Law was the ministration of death- as Paul described. Otherwise, The Old Covenant was very much alive & to be obeyed.

Remember what Jesus taught? Man, not just Israelites or Jews would live by what? Every Word of God. Your premise is therefore in direct contradiction of what Jesus taught, as well as that of the Apostles who also 'taught' the identical matters.

The Law is spiritual and still active and effective for Gods Intents and Purposes. It also remains against all lawlessness and arouses the power of sin no different today than when the first Law, 'do not eat' was delivered to Adam.

Adam was not exempt from what Jesus taught about the entry of Satan where The Word was sown. So the lawless one, Satan, entered Adam in the Garden and the first Law was to that lawless one in Adam. You on the other hand can not see that and only see Adam or man. You have no account whatsoever for the 'other parties in man.' Therefore your entire equations are void and quite worthless as it pertains to that side of the Sword of Gods Words.

Psa. 82:6? Same as Deut.14:1. The Israelites were still God's chosen ppl at that time.
There WAS a Satan, & he was very active in that age (if you notice the difference in the N.T. & OT. activity of Satan) But for one, Christ met Satan incarnate - & he no longer can indwell anyone.

Again your premise is that Satan was somehow eradicated and sent to the LOF in 70 a.d. And there is ZERO record in text of that happening. In short, you have inserted your own fantasy in the face of present evil, sin and death.

Yes, Satan indwelt Judas during that time- but Jesus doesn't use that expression against Peter bc Peter had any "devil" in him. Read it & learn-
Matt.16:22-23 NKJV,
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!â€
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.â€

Jesus used that expression about Satan as a source of evil or temptation. And if you ponder it carefully- you will see that Christ is definitely equating Peter's words as man's words, being evil in this sense- in that the aren't in the mind of what God planned/plans.

Well, congrats on seeing the obvious. That Satan was in Judas and spoke from Peter.

Your theory that that action stopped at 70 a.d. requires The Words of Jesus to be eradicated and no longer valid. I say you are quite off the mark using any simple textual measures:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

IF Jesus taught 'then' that Satan enters hearts where The Word is sown, then it still transpires until Jesus says it doesn't. Earth is still here in case you missed it.

Your words are in contradiction on about any level observed in comparison with Jesus' Words. Your positions don't hold scriptural water.

enjoy!

s

 

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lehigh3 isnt antisemitic when she said the verse on jn 8:44. i usually fish out those here so that i know who they are and avoid them. let me ask you this. ye are of your father the devil, the father of the lies.

satan has children in the spiritual realm? angels can mate in the spirit world with each other and produce kids?wheres that in the bible.

Seed reproduces after it's own kind. Satan obvious had/has children, just as JESUS said. Accept the bad seed of Satan in others, and you'll see how they replicate 'in yourself.'

I accept that there are tares, seeds of the devil in every persons body and mind, as well as them as people being good seed. Both seeds grow together in the same ground. Who is in control at any given time is obvious by their 'fruit' and 'truthful accord with Gods Words' or lack thereof.

enjoy!

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[jasoncran]

Seed reproduces after it's own kind. Satan obvious had/has children, just as JESUS said. Accept the bad seed of Satan in others, and you'll see how they replicate 'in yourself.'

I accept that there are tares, seeds of the devil in every persons body and mind, as well as them as people being good seed. Both seeds grow together in the same ground. Who is in control at any given time is obvious by their 'fruit' and 'truthful accord with Gods Words' or lack thereof.

enjoy!

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then why would call lehigh 3 out for saying the pharisees are children of the devil?

but with a christian he can be influenced by the devil but ultimately if he so chooses to repent he can. yes i do beleive one can loose salvation but its very hard to do that. we are rebellious by nature and our hearts idolotry factories to quote john calvin.


modern judiasm isnt of the lord but of something else. saying that fact isnt anti-semetic. If God isnt worshipped from the only way then either the religion is of man or the devil. either way its not gloryfing God.

 

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then why would call lehigh 3 out for saying the pharisees are children of the devil?

Because those men were not alone. Children of the devil were upon them i.e. in their minds and bodies, controlling them and twisting the Word of God. That is what devils in men do.

An no, those devils that Jesus addressed were not the people they inhabited, as Lehigh claimed. They got into those men by The Word being handled in the Temple. The Pharisees were the frontline victims of what Jesus taught, and imho, religious masquerading devils are the absolute 'worst' kind, which Jesus NEVER cast out. They were stone cold calloused.

I believe those same devils that were in those men are still here, standing in pulpits today. I hear and see almost identical activity that Jesus pointed to in those men then, still happening today. One would have to be blind to miss the direct correlations and activity.

but with a christian he can be influenced by the devil but ultimately if he so chooses to repent he can. yes i do beleive one can loose salvation but its very hard to do that. we are rebellious by nature and our hearts idolotry factories to quote john calvin.

Any believer can make any claim they please. I simply do not see any person as alone in these matters. At the same time a child of God repents, there remains a devil within still doing their deals in that persons mind. And that doesn't change after the salvation experience. We just get better at keeping those workings 'in check' supposedly because we are aware of the activity and intent, and the resulting spiritually ill consequences.

modern judiasm isnt of the lord but of something else.

Jews uphold The Word of God just as well if not better than Christians. Most Christians either mitigate or discount altogether the O.T. Jesus accepted and taught Every Word from the O.T. because it was HE working in them and with them as a people. God has not forsaken His people, nor will He, EVER. You can say otherwise. Paul was clear on this matter:

Romans 11:
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.

saying that fact isnt anti-semetic. If God isnt worshipped from the only way then either the religion is of man or the devil. either way its not gloryfing God.

Anti-semetic people all over the world call Jews devils. They do so from an evil spirit in control of their minds, so I know who to look at when I see it bubbling up to the surface. Just another common deceiver spirit that is 'not them' as people.

I'd say the identical about any form of prejudice.

enjoy!

s