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Are we keeping Gods comandment if we call saturday the Lords day, the sabbath?
and braking the Lords comandment if we call sunday the Lords day, the sabbath ?
some one like a doctor who has to work shifts, often the weekend, or a dairy farmer who has to milk his cows seven days a week.?
do we need to turn back times is this Gods heart? sunday to saturday.
it was said of king david despite his trangressions he had a heart after God,
Jesus mentioned some one saving their animal on the sabbath, is it to very much a question of where are hearts are. this person say he loved God, but was not so bound to the law, the tracks, he saved his animal, a higher law, God knew his heart was right. and only done what he felt he had to do, some one eles could have left the animal to die, but his heart was far from God.
Jesus came to forfill the law, but the women caught in adultry was not stoned, as the law demanded.?
is there a higher law,

a bit like a train on train tracks, but by the spirit we can at times be free of the tracks, and fly, defy gravity, not restricted by the tracks but in the spirit our actions and heart takes us above and beyound
the confines into a greater freedom.

The Lord will perfect that which concerns us, and present us faultless to the father.
i was takin to heaven in the spirit, and experenced a fullness of the spirit, how i believe we will be in eternity. to walk in that fullness, i also have never felt so much love flowing over me and through me, and out of my inner most being flowed rivers of living water.

i have come so you may have life and life abundantly.
Jesus said, come to me, all who are weary and heavy laden, and i will give you rest,take my yoke apon you,, and learn from me, for i am gentle and humble in heart, and you shall find rest for your souls, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
so we want to carry only that which the Lord desires, nothing more nothing less.

With the sheep and the goats, you feed me, you gave me water, you clothed me, you visited me,
taking care of the orphans and widows, true religion.

As for the mark of the beast, the whole world will worship the beast, i do not think we are quiet there yet, in our understanding, revalations 13, is followed by the 144.000 sealed by God, then the doom of those who recieved the mark and the name of the beast.
i mention this as ive just read the post concerning the law sabbath, mark of the beast, some ten pages, posted in this forum. For any one who is intrested, there is another very good article, on prophecytalk.com concerning the mark of the beast. a completly different take, quiet intresting, go into end time disucussions, the post would you be micro chipped,, and you will find this article in the reply posted by trace, certainly some thing to consider.

Gods servants have the Lords name, and the name of the father written on their fore heads. i do not think we have quiet put are finger on this yet, could be staring us in the face, likewise it could still be something to be revieled.
some say the word, mind actions, some say the tecnology is here now, a chip. or something simular.
i still feel with all these topics we need a deeper clearer understanding. God bless johnny
 
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I don't see how the latter half of your post has anything to do with your original question ... :confused



johnny botwright said:
Are we keeping Gods comandment if we call saturday the Lords day, the sabbath?
and braking the Lords comandment if we call sunday the Lords day, the sabbath ?

Neither .... the New Testament nowhere commands Christians to observe Sabbath specifically on Saturday or Sunday.
 
Well considering God made it a memorial forever for His day of rest, why wouldn't we partake in it? Not to mention it's a commandment that was being observed BEFORE the 10 commandments were given (hence The Lord Almighty telling Moses "remember the Sabbath day" -- they knew what it was already).

Read Hebrews Chapter 4 for a clear New Testament instruction to fulfill the Sabbath as a born again believer in our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you see it there?
 
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Whether you are an Adventist or a Non-Adventist Sabbatharian ... we do not have a problem with you observing Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday, or whichever day that suits you for that matter !


Question is ...

Where in the New Testament is there mention that breaking the Sabbath is a sin ?

Where is there a command to set aside a specific day for Sabbath ?

Where is there mention that failing to observe Saturday or Sunday Sabbath is a sin ?


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The Sabbath was given to all of mankind and is a sign of who Gods people are. It is an error to assume that the Sabbath was given only to the Hebrews. People are allowed to break the Sabbath in the event of an emergency. In fulfillment of prophecy it was the Catholic Church who changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
 
I think, as we're no longer under the law, we don't need to bother about the sabbath anymore. If I did observe the sabbath though, I'd do it on Saturday, not Sunday.
 
col 2;16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of a holyday,or of the new moon,or of the sabbath days;
Which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ.


So who is it without knowledge that wishes to judge someone concerning the sabbath?
A day unto the Lord is as 1000 years.Which of you can make the Lord's day last 24 hours?
 
Shilohsfoal said:
col 2;16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of a holyday,or of the new moon,or of the sabbath days;
Which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ.
Col 2;16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of a holyday,or of the new moon,or of the sabbath days;
Which are a shadow of things to come...
 
ProphetMark said:
I think, as we're no longer under the law, we don't need to bother about the sabbath anymore. If I did observe the sabbath though, I'd do it on Saturday, not Sunday.
Which laws? Gods commandment laws, or Moses laws? Yahshua said he did not come to do away with the laws.
 
mdo757 said:
ProphetMark said:
I think, as we're no longer under the law, we don't need to bother about the sabbath anymore. If I did observe the sabbath though, I'd do it on Saturday, not Sunday.
Which laws? Gods commandment laws, or Moses laws? Yahshua said he did not come to do away with the laws.

The whole law excluding the commands to love God with all our strength, heart, soul and mind; and to love our neighbour as ourselves. Those are the laws of the new covenant aren't they?
 
If you say your not under the law,do you believe that you are above the law?
 
mdo757 said:
Shilohsfoal said:
col 2;16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of a holyday,or of the new moon,or of the sabbath days;
Which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ.
Col 2;16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of a holyday,or of the new moon,or of the sabbath days;
Which are a shadow of things to come...
:-)
 
ProphetMark said:
mdo757 said:
ProphetMark said:
I think, as we're no longer under the law, we don't need to bother about the sabbath anymore. If I did observe the sabbath though, I'd do it on Saturday, not Sunday.
Which laws? Gods commandment laws, or Moses laws? Yahshua said he did not come to do away with the laws.

The whole law excluding the commands to love God with all our strength, heart, soul and mind; and to love our neighbour as ourselves. Those are the laws of the new covenant aren't they?
Perhaps you should show us this scripture that says the commandments have been done away with. If you love God do you keep His Sabbath?
 
Jesus broke the Sabbath, plain and simple. Therefore broke Moses Commandments! Have we forgotten that in the End Jesus only had one. Was his not good enough to place along side the other 10? Who's words are we really following Moses' of Jesus'? Who has two masters? Riding the fence and calling it one is no longer an option!
 
RaymondKroft said:
Jesus broke the Sabbath, plain and simple. Therefore broke Moses Commandments! Have we forgotten that in the End Jesus only had one. Was his not good enough to place along side the other 10? Who's words are we really following Moses' of Jesus'? Who has two masters? Riding the fence and calling it one is no longer an option!
If that was true, that Yahshua was a law breaker, then he would not have been the perfect lamb sacrifice.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
If you say your not under the law,do you believe that you are above the law?

Great question.

And as I said before, Hebrews 4 tells us that there is still a sabbath. I just don't see how people skip over that chapter.
 
NJBeliever said:
And as I said before, Hebrews 4 tells us that there is still a sabbath. I just don't see how people skip over that chapter.

And I just don't see how people can distort that chapter just to suit the teachings of certain strange sects ..... You from the Ellen G. White group also ?

The topic of Sabbath has been discussed before at great lengths in a few other threads, one of which is this thread.


Take your time to read, and since that thread is already locked, feel free to come back here to post if you have something NEW to add that hasn't already been discussed before.


So long .... :salute
 
I do not belong to any group, or the Adventist. It is true that you can worship God any day and every day; but the Sabbath Rest command remains. It was not changed or done away with. For the love of God do you keep His Sabbath Rest?
 
mdo757 said:
I do not belong to any group, or the Adventist. It is true that you can worship God any day and every day; but the Sabbath Rest command remains. It was not changed or done away with. For the love of God do you keep His Sabbath Rest?

It's pointless to keep barking up the wrong tree and flogging a dead horse based on what YOU think should be done based on YOUR interpretation of selective scriptures.... I've already stated that you can go ahead and observe whatever "holy" days you want, if you think God is going to give you a special reward for it. But can you tell us then, if you do not specifically keep your Saturdays (or Sundays) holy by "resting" only on that day, where in the New Testament does it say it is a sin that deserves judgement and punishment ? .. And please present scriptures without distorted interpretations ! Better still, please read the previous thread I've pointed out. Use a proper NIV STUDY BIBLE to interprete scriptures instead of some extra-biblical controversial writings or teachings by unreliable preachers. Your views are clearly contradictory to what all Study Bibles teach ! It shows you are reading some other controversial materials or listening to dubious preachers !


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