saturday or sunday, the sabbath.

[Geo]

And while you're at it mdo757, admit it you just stopped killing your neighbours because you think God is going to give you a special reward for it.

requires patience to listen to the absurdity of a twisted & legalistic logic on a daily basis. How long are people going to bend logic on this one? well on forums, my guess is forever.

The longer i think about it, the 4th is a brilliant inclusion into the 10 commandments. Neither the intelligent nor the dumb can get it. Most of all the ones that concentrate (everything starts & ends with) SELF absolutely cannot understand it. i'd say unless you're raised with it from childhood the guarantee is tight, inbuilt and intended that you can only be informed directly about the validity of this one. Father to child. Great applause to our Creator for this commandment, he really seems to have a special intention with this. Some kind of stealth thing.

found a book online today I didn't know yet. And I'm going to read it..yea....next Sabbath !

WHAT HAPPENED TO GOD'S SEVENTH DAY SABBATH?
A Scriptural Analysis of the Sabbath Day Dispute by Scott M. Kilpatrick
http://www.moresureword.com/sksab1.htm

could be interesting to some that also already stopped killing their neighbours, lol, sorry, or honour their parents because THEY deserve it. Ever heard something like that?

- saturday - by the way my favourite day of the week, i always liked it the most, even as a teenager when i had no knowledge about what it means to God, yet i felt always different that day and knew it was special, without anybody talking about it or me reading it anywhere. Now rediscovered about 5 years ago, this time by reading the Bible....on a sabbath. One of most enyoyable discoveries of the last years, a real blessing, cannot say it any other way, a true and noticeable blessing. had no ethnic relationship or education or denomination that had any regard for that. They are are all sun-dogs. And God bless the scholars, one day even they will bow and will understand truth, it takes a scholar to misunderstand what is clear to a child. Indeed, only a true child will accept that one without nonsense. Nobody else would.

 

[NJBeliever]

And as I said before, Hebrews 4 tells us that there is still a sabbath. I just don't see how people skip over that chapter.

And I just don't see how people can distort that chapter just to suit the teachings of certain strange sects ..... You from the Ellen G. White group also ?

The topic of Sabbath has been discussed before at great lengths in a few other threads, one of which is this thread.


Take your time to read, and since that thread is already locked, feel free to come back here to post if you have something NEW to add that hasn't already been discussed before.


So long ....

I am not a part of Ellen G. White's group (she is a false prophet). I am however a Bible-believing Christian. How did I distort Hebrews 4? In what way?

I am not going to that other thread to read anything. If this thread is redundant, then lock it. I just read what was being posted and shared my thoughts.

 

[JudaicChristian]

It's pointless to keep barking up the wrong tree and flogging a dead horse based on what YOU think should be done based on YOUR interpretation of selective scriptures.... I've already stated that you can go ahead and observe whatever "holy" days you want, if you think God is going to give you a special reward for it. But can you tell us then, if you do not specifically keep your Saturdays (or Sundays) holy by "resting" only on that day, where in the New Testament does it say it is a sin that deserves judgement and punishment ? .. And please present scriptures without distorted interpretations ! Better still, please read the previous thread I've pointed out. Use a proper NIV STUDY BIBLE to interprete scriptures instead of some extra-biblical controversial writings or teachings by unreliable preachers. Your views are clearly contradictory to what all Study Bibles teach ! It shows you are reading some other controversial materials or listening to dubious preachers !

I could have added a lot of scripture, but no need for over kill.
From the NIV:
Matthew 5:19
Anyone who breaks one of the least of [these/the] commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches [these/the] [command/ments] will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

 

[JudaicChristian]

And while you're at it mdo757, admit it you just stopped killing your neighbours because you think God is going to give you a special reward for it.

requires patience to listen to the absurdity of a twisted & legalistic logic on a daily basis. How long are people going to bend logic on this one? well on forums, my guess is forever.

I have never been able to figure out how people reason that Im voicing my opinion, and not speaking as a matter of fact.

 

[RaymondKroft]

Disobeying the truth of what was taught at that time was not being a lawbreaker to anyone but the fanatical. Jesus didn't obey the 10 commandments neither do I. The Only Commandment jesus has was treat others as I have treated you. There is balance in this reply and not in the reply of the 10 commandments.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Disobeying the truth of what was taught at that time was not being a lawbreaker to anyone but the fanatical. Jesus didn't obey the 10 commandments neither do I. The Only Commandment jesus has was treat others as I have treated you. There is balance in this reply and not in the reply of the 10 commandments.

Where do these people come from? No wonder Christians have a bad name these days. You shall know them by their fruits.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Disobeying the truth of what was taught at that time was not being a lawbreaker to anyone but the fanatical. Jesus didn't obey the 10 commandments neither do I. The Only Commandment jesus has was treat others as I have treated you. There is balance in this reply and not in the reply of the 10 commandments.

RaymondKroft: If the commandments have been done away with, then there would be no reason to repent, and Christ would have died for nothing. Because the commandments remain, that is why Christ did not die in vain.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Are you guys imagining all kinds of vain things, because the Orthodox Jews have attached many selfrightous regulations to the Sabbath?

 

[RaymondKroft]

RaymondKroft: If the commandments have been done away with, then there would be no reason to repent, and Christ would have died for nothing. Because the commandments remain, that is why Christ did not die in vain.

First off if you truely trusted God and the path God gave you you wouldn't need to pray or repent! You would realize that to do these things are a blasphemy. Y? Cause it says I don't trust God so I will ask for forgiveness, i.e. second guessing the entire time, continously question and seeking the answers only because that which is already given doesn't seem right.

And just so you know in the old days people were considered Pagan only because their Church was either round or square and not Geometrically ornamental as the ones of the middle ages and today. This only has relavence if you understand the body of God in the the realm of mathematics and sacred geometry.

As far as Christ dying for no reason. The fact that you can't reflect on your own self without guidance or scriptural approval proves he failed. Therefore died for a very good reason and has nothing to do with repenting or praying. But what it does do is remind you of all the things you'll never be, say for instance divine.

 

[JudaicChristian]

RaymondKroft: If the commandments have been done away with, then there would be no reason to repent, and Christ would have died for nothing. Because the commandments remain, that is why Christ did not die in vain.

First off if you truely trusted God and the path God gave you you wouldn't need to pray or repent! You would realize that to do these things are a blasphemy. Y? Cause it says I don't trust God so I will ask for forgiveness, i.e. second guessing the entire time, continously question and seeking the answers only because that which is already given doesn't seem right.

And just so you know in the old days people were considered Pagan only because their Church was either round or square and not Geometrically ornamental as the ones of the middle ages and today. This only has relavence if you understand the body of God in the the realm of mathematics and sacred geometry.

As far as Christ dying for no reason. The fact that you can't reflect on your own self without guidance or scriptural approval proves he failed. Therefore died for a very good reason and has nothing to do with repenting or praying. But what it does do is remind you of all the things you'll never be, say for instance divine.

You need to study your bible.

 

[RaymondKroft]

I find it funny how people can defend their belief using scripture that no one has for sure been able to varify the true meaning to! And I'm the one who needs to read his bible! It's not from me that which has been hid but the many!

 

[glorydaz]

I'm not sure why this is so hard for some people to see. It's made clear in Hebrews that we who believe have entered into the sabbath rest through Jesus. He is Lord of the Sabbath. He has rested from His work on the cross. We cease from our own efforts and every minute of every day we rest in Him.

Jesus is our sabbath rest.

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

The children of Israel entered not into the rest because of unbelief.

Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

"We which have believed do enter into rest.."

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What Joshua could not do...Jesus did. The "another day" spoken of here is the day of salvation.

For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The work of salvation has been completed. The Sabbath law was a shadow of Christ's raising from the dead after His work on the cross.

(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

 

[JudaicChristian]

You sure know how to butcher scriptures. The sabbath rest being spoken of is the last resurrection. The beginning of the 7000 year rest. Hebrew time. 1998 was 5760 Civil Hebrew calendar time.

 

[glorydaz]

You sure know how to butcher scriptures. The sabbath rest being spoken of is the last resurrection. The beginning of the 7000 year rest. Hebrew time. 1998 was 5760 Civil Hebrew calendar time.

You certainly do know how to ignore scriptures. For "we which have believed do enter into rest". Jesus came to give us rest...you may not have entered into that rest, but there are many Christians who have. I have entered into eternal life and am seated with Christ in heavenly places...I have ceased from my labor as I rest in the finished work of the cross. You should try it...then maybe you wouldn't have to write in capital bold letters to try and get your point across. :halo

Hebrews 4:1-5 wrote:
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

 

[RaymondKroft]

If Jesus is our Sabbath, and the sabbath is rest, then perhaps we should stop thinking about God and religion all together. Thats what your basically saying!

 

[glorydaz]

If Jesus is our Sabbath, and the sabbath is rest, then perhaps we should stop thinking about God and religion all together. Thats what your basically saying!

Now that's just plain silly. When we rest in the Lord, we cease from our own works and live for Him every single minute of the day. That's what I'm "basically saying", and that how I live my life. He is my rock and my salvation. :amen

 

[RaymondKroft]

Really!! Tell me how did your car cost?