saved or not saved?

[Bryony]

hi there everyone I posted a thread on reprobation it was my first thread but I'm extremely troubled.
I've gone to about 3 churches and they've all said different things. I live in the UK and the preaching here isn't as alive as in the US and everyone has a different opinion on salvation but I'd say that the closest to the truth on being saved is a book by Derek Prince called Salvation and How to Receive it.
he describes that we must first repent, then believe, then confess and be baptized by water straight away. I haven't been baptized and I haven't received faith but I have repented like my life depended on it and I said I want you to be my Lord bd my Lord only at the same time.
this was back in February last year when I commited biblical slander and felt my life on earth was done and the church would never receive nor trust me ever again. subsequently I after repenting I cried and years of sin and bad feelings just melted away after I cried and I had an encounter with God and spoke to him all night. it was one of the most powerful and heart breaking experiences I have ever had and I wanted it back so bad I obsessed over it. I get invalidated a lot by people maybe its jealously or just natural human sin I don't know. but whenever I say "I feel" I get members of my church saying its not feelings its faith. I currently live in psychiatric care but I know its all rigged and after being locked up for 11 years I know what a scam it is. it doesn't heal people its traumatic, chaotic, violent and disturbing. oftentimes boring and soul sapping as well. I feel in having an existential issue with just about every area of my life and don't feel like the medication is helping me its turning me into a psychopath.
I can't be affectionate as I'd like towards my partner and I can't worship as I'd like as I'm not feeling it. plus you have to believe Jesus is sinless and I kept thinking about him eating meat and I'm ashamed to say it but I thought isn't eating meat sinful its eating another being. desiring God tells us we must believe in him totally. his miracles seem like stories to me rather than fact and it was only in March last year that I believed in the resurrection. I never disbelieved but it wasn't in my heart and I still don't.believe it in my heart but my whole church is telling me I'm saved I even went to sozo ministries and they said the same thing it seems like nobody knows how to get saved. if you read the Bible it says repent and believe and you must confess he is Lord I haven't done any of it in order or at the same time and I don't know if I'd repent again as the meds make me.quite hardened. I don't feel spiritual atmospheres or wonder like I used to I used to have magical thinking and its all gone. I feel God's presence since I was a little girl but was brought up by Satanists and was abused also throughout my whole life. so I don't know how to love God and I keep blaspheming the Holy Spirit when I'm angry. plus each church has a different view of that so I'm thinking of.hiding from the world and relying on God only because people can't be trusted. I feel alone and sinful and unlovable and unforgiven. I'm not too nice to my partner even though he's been on Crack and rinsed me.of 1000 pounds of money and has paranoia really bad but I'm jealous of him at times because he has close connection with signs and wonders and God I.believe he's saved and I'm not. I went to the sozo place and I just couldn't worship at all but cried during prayer but couldn't let go then had 40 minutes counseling to break off Satanism but just feel like a phoney. I can't shake off that nobody gets im probably not saved and I'd have to start all over again but Jesus is coming back and its making me feel suicidal because God is moving slow in my life and I tell him I love and miss him but I feel lost. please help.

 

[Bryony]

just want to add when God showed me the Bible at 7 in the morning of the resurrection I felt fear not faith and after that I had a break down and all the sin that was covered came back. I went to my partners with a one way ticket and horrendous circumstances happened after. I was being mind controlled I know that sounds far fetched but there is technology.out there to read your thoughts and I was hallucinating a lot with sleep deprivation I was in the community then went back into hospital after a suicide attempt

 

[JLB]

I'd have to start all over again but Jesus is coming back and its making me feel suicidal because God is moving slow in my life and I tell him I love and miss him but I feel lost. please help.

God loves you deeply and desires for you to be close to Him.

Know that, and thank Him for His love and mercy.

You need to find a Church that believes in the baptism with the Holy Spirit as well as deliverance.




JLB

 

[Christ_empowered]

Listen to JLB please. This isn’t the apocalypse. Try to find a solid church see about getting into a group bible study maybe take an online class in scripture or Christian worldview…

God forgives and builds people up. He’s not some pagan monster in the sky.

 

[for_his_glory]

The simplicity of our salvation through Christ is within these scriptures below as having faith and belief. The word water in John 3:5 is debated, but I believe the word water means word as we come to our salvation by the word of God as faith comes by hearing the word preached to us, Romans 10:17; Acts 2:14-41. There are so many debates on salvation that it just boggles the mind and becomes very confusing. I hope this helps your understanding.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[hawkman]

Praying for you Bryony . Read the Bible and pray as much as you can, there is power in the word of God .
Read Acts16

28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ! Believe that Jesus died for your sins and he is your risen Savior . The repenting can come after the believing .

 

[Bryony]

I heard that an unsaved person going back to works is cut off from Christ

 

[Anaphora]

Hello friend. No is judging you. Out of love I'm trying to help you. Acts 319. Repent ye therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when times of refreshing shall come from the presence of Lord. The first step is, accept Jesus as your salvation. Next, repent sins to God and be forgiven. Don't go on guilt trip. Next step, study the bible, make time each day. Like 20 minutes or longer. Spirtual growth is important. Sound advice, if your friend won't stop doing drugs, and repent and convert to christianity, cut off the friendship. Reprobates are bad influence, and will drag you down with them. Proverbs 12:1. Who so ever loves instruction loves knowledge ; But he that hates reproof is brutish. Moody, a senseable person will accept correction and discipline. You respected your mom and dad. Your Teacher, Gods Elect, is speaking to you. Are you going to listen ? 12:5. The thoughts of the righteous are right : but the counsels of the wicked are deceit. RAMAH in Hebrew means = deceit. Drug users are in addiction, and will resort to stealing or manipulating to get their fix. I'm not judging anyone. If your friend wont convert to christianity and stop the drugs. You have a decision to make. Let him hose you down, or you have peace of mind. He will be a roadblock to your success. This might be painful. It's for your own good. Proverbs 12:23. A prudent man concealeth knowledge ; but the heart of fools proclaim foolishness. A fool has no direction in life or discipline. It's like being in dark room, and the person stumbles. They don't know where they're going. Counsel from fool will get you down wrong path. 13:20. He that walks with wise men shall be wise ; But a companion of fools shall be destroyed. Luke chapter 19:8. And ZACCHAEUS stood, and said, unto the Lord ; Behold, Lord, the half of my GOODS I give to the poor ; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusations, I restore him four fold. Here's tax collector, who was dishonest with people. Even cheated some people. He's taking accountability for his actions. He was on the wrong path to Hell. He knew if he didn't change his ways, he was going to sheol, called hell. 19:9. And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house. If ZACCAEUS can do it, you can do it. If the medication is side effects are detrimental, ask your doctor to change the medication. Think this over. Take care.

 

[GodsGrace]

I heard that an unsaved person going back to works is cut off from Christ

Christ doesn't cut off anyone that wants to be with Him. In fact He tells us we need Him.
John 15:5-6

It's always the person that leaves God.

 

[Highway54]

hi there everyone I posted a thread on reprobation it was my first thread but I'm extremely troubled.
I've gone to about 3 churches and they've all said different things. I live in the UK and the preaching here isn't as alive as in the US and everyone has a different opinion on salvation but I'd say that the closest to the truth on being saved is a book by Derek Prince called Salvation and How to Receive it.
he describes that we must first repent, then believe, then confess and be baptized by water straight away. I haven't been baptized and I haven't received faith but I have repented like my life depended on it and I said I want you to be my Lord bd my Lord only at the same time.
this was back in February last year when I commited biblical slander and felt my life on earth was done and the church would never receive nor trust me ever again. subsequently I after repenting I cried and years of sin and bad feelings just melted away after I cried and I had an encounter with God and spoke to him all night. it was one of the most powerful and heart breaking experiences I have ever had and I wanted it back so bad I obsessed over it. I get invalidated a lot by people maybe its jealously or just natural human sin I don't know. but whenever I say "I feel" I get members of my church saying its not feelings its faith. I currently live in psychiatric care but I know its all rigged and after being locked up for 11 years I know what a scam it is. it doesn't heal people its traumatic, chaotic, violent and disturbing. oftentimes boring and soul sapping as well. I feel in having an existential issue with just about every area of my life and don't feel like the medication is helping me its turning me into a psychopath.
I can't be affectionate as I'd like towards my partner and I can't worship as I'd like as I'm not feeling it. plus you have to believe Jesus is sinless and I kept thinking about him eating meat and I'm ashamed to say it but I thought isn't eating meat sinful its eating another being. desiring God tells us we must believe in him totally. his miracles seem like stories to me rather than fact and it was only in March last year that I believed in the resurrection. I never disbelieved but it wasn't in my heart and I still don't.believe it in my heart but my whole church is telling me I'm saved I even went to sozo ministries and they said the same thing it seems like nobody knows how to get saved. if you read the Bible it says repent and believe and you must confess he is Lord I haven't done any of it in order or at the same time and I don't know if I'd repent again as the meds make me.quite hardened. I don't feel spiritual atmospheres or wonder like I used to I used to have magical thinking and its all gone. I feel God's presence since I was a little girl but was brought up by Satanists and was abused also throughout my whole life. so I don't know how to love God and I keep blaspheming the Holy Spirit when I'm angry. plus each church has a different view of that so I'm thinking of.hiding from the world and relying on God only because people can't be trusted. I feel alone and sinful and unlovable and unforgiven. I'm not too nice to my partner even though he's been on Crack and rinsed me.of 1000 pounds of money and has paranoia really bad but I'm jealous of him at times because he has close connection with signs and wonders and God I.believe he's saved and I'm not. I went to the sozo place and I just couldn't worship at all but cried during prayer but couldn't let go then had 40 minutes counseling to break off Satanism but just feel like a phoney. I can't shake off that nobody gets im probably not saved and I'd have to start all over again but Jesus is coming back and its making me feel suicidal because God is moving slow in my life and I tell him I love and miss him but I feel lost. please help.

Well maam, this will likely be different as well. Saved is definitely a misunderstood term, the shortened form of Salvation meaning receiving the gift of everlasting life. Now many would agree on that definition, however the time is not necessarily agreed on. Many think they are saved right now, which of course is not true, as they are not living eternally at this time, they are still subject to the inherited death we all received from Adam.

Born again Christians are saved upon their resurrection as the second death has no authority over them Rev 20:6. But the rest of Christians will not come to life until after the thousand yrs (V5) because they have to be tested when satan is released at the end of the thousand yrs (Vs 7-10) A bit difficult to understand, but not so much as one grows in knowledge about the coming Kingdom.

 

[for_his_glory]

I heard that an unsaved person going back to works is cut off from Christ

First of all, one who has never accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior are not his own. You do believe in Jesus and I can only assume you have accepted Him as your Lord and Savior, but have never built upon your faith and relationship with Him.

Like others here have told you it would be best to find a church or a good Bible Study group that will help you learn more and start understanding the scriptures. You are also welcomed to ask us any questions and we will try our best to help you. Here is what I have written on faith and works that might help with your understanding.

To say faith without works is dead is the same as saying faith without love is dead for the works we do unto the Lord are our labor of love for others as in Matthew 25:34-40. It's the same labor of love Christ did for us. Faith is action and if it has no fruit it is a false faith. James is not speaking about one who has faith, but one who claims to have faith. It's like giving lip service, but the heart is empty and void of God. Just because one claims to have faith doesn't mean they do, especially if there is no fruit to judge in them as that is how we judge one another, Matthew 7:15-23. We are saved by faith (Christ Jesus) through that of Gods grace (favor) as we can not earn it, but confess it.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[DJT_47]

hi there everyone I posted a thread on reprobation it was my first thread but I'm extremely troubled.
I've gone to about 3 churches and they've all said different things. I live in the UK and the preaching here isn't as alive as in the US and everyone has a different opinion on salvation but I'd say that the closest to the truth on being saved is a book by Derek Prince called Salvation and How to Receive it.
he describes that we must first repent, then believe, then confess and be baptized by water straight away. I haven't been baptized and I haven't received faith but I have repented like my life depended on it and I said I want you to be my Lord bd my Lord only at the same time.
this was back in February last year when I commited biblical slander and felt my life on earth was done and the church would never receive nor trust me ever again. subsequently I after repenting I cried and years of sin and bad feelings just melted away after I cried and I had an encounter with God and spoke to him all night. it was one of the most powerful and heart breaking experiences I have ever had and I wanted it back so bad I obsessed over it. I get invalidated a lot by people maybe its jealously or just natural human sin I don't know. but whenever I say "I feel" I get members of my church saying its not feelings its faith. I currently live in psychiatric care but I know its all rigged and after being locked up for 11 years I know what a scam it is. it doesn't heal people its traumatic, chaotic, violent and disturbing. oftentimes boring and soul sapping as well. I feel in having an existential issue with just about every area of my life and don't feel like the medication is helping me its turning me into a psychopath.
I can't be affectionate as I'd like towards my partner and I can't worship as I'd like as I'm not feeling it. plus you have to believe Jesus is sinless and I kept thinking about him eating meat and I'm ashamed to say it but I thought isn't eating meat sinful its eating another being. desiring God tells us we must believe in him totally. his miracles seem like stories to me rather than fact and it was only in March last year that I believed in the resurrection. I never disbelieved but it wasn't in my heart and I still don't.believe it in my heart but my whole church is telling me I'm saved I even went to sozo ministries and they said the same thing it seems like nobody knows how to get saved. if you read the Bible it says repent and believe and you must confess he is Lord I haven't done any of it in order or at the same time and I don't know if I'd repent again as the meds make me.quite hardened. I don't feel spiritual atmospheres or wonder like I used to I used to have magical thinking and its all gone. I feel God's presence since I was a little girl but was brought up by Satanists and was abused also throughout my whole life. so I don't know how to love God and I keep blaspheming the Holy Spirit when I'm angry. plus each church has a different view of that so I'm thinking of.hiding from the world and relying on God only because people can't be trusted. I feel alone and sinful and unlovable and unforgiven. I'm not too nice to my partner even though he's been on Crack and rinsed me.of 1000 pounds of money and has paranoia really bad but I'm jealous of him at times because he has close connection with signs and wonders and God I.believe he's saved and I'm not. I went to the sozo place and I just couldn't worship at all but cried during prayer but couldn't let go then had 40 minutes counseling to break off Satanism but just feel like a phoney. I can't shake off that nobody gets im probably not saved and I'd have to start all over again but Jesus is coming back and its making me feel suicidal because God is moving slow in my life and I tell him I love and miss him but I feel lost. please help.

Seek out a local congregation. There you will hear the truth.

Churches of Christ

Churches of Christ in UK and Ireland

churchesofchrist.co.uk

 

[Riven]

hi there everyone I posted a thread on reprobation it was my first thread but I'm extremely troubled.
I've gone to about 3 churches and they've all said different things. I live in the UK and the preaching here isn't as alive as in the US and everyone has a different opinion on salvation but I'd say that the closest to the truth on being saved is a book by Derek Prince called Salvation and How to Receive it.
he describes that we must first repent, then believe, then confess and be baptized by water straight away. I haven't been baptized and I haven't received faith but I have repented like my life depended on it and I said I want you to be my Lord bd my Lord only at the same time.
this was back in February last year when I commited biblical slander and felt my life on earth was done and the church would never receive nor trust me ever again. subsequently I after repenting I cried and years of sin and bad feelings just melted away after I cried and I had an encounter with God and spoke to him all night. it was one of the most powerful and heart breaking experiences I have ever had and I wanted it back so bad I obsessed over it. I get invalidated a lot by people maybe its jealously or just natural human sin I don't know. but whenever I say "I feel" I get members of my church saying its not feelings its faith. I currently live in psychiatric care but I know its all rigged and after being locked up for 11 years I know what a scam it is. it doesn't heal people its traumatic, chaotic, violent and disturbing. oftentimes boring and soul sapping as well. I feel in having an existential issue with just about every area of my life and don't feel like the medication is helping me its turning me into a psychopath.
I can't be affectionate as I'd like towards my partner and I can't worship as I'd like as I'm not feeling it. plus you have to believe Jesus is sinless and I kept thinking about him eating meat and I'm ashamed to say it but I thought isn't eating meat sinful its eating another being. desiring God tells us we must believe in him totally. his miracles seem like stories to me rather than fact and it was only in March last year that I believed in the resurrection. I never disbelieved but it wasn't in my heart and I still don't.believe it in my heart but my whole church is telling me I'm saved I even went to sozo ministries and they said the same thing it seems like nobody knows how to get saved. if you read the Bible it says repent and believe and you must confess he is Lord I haven't done any of it in order or at the same time and I don't know if I'd repent again as the meds make me.quite hardened. I don't feel spiritual atmospheres or wonder like I used to I used to have magical thinking and its all gone. I feel God's presence since I was a little girl but was brought up by Satanists and was abused also throughout my whole life. so I don't know how to love God and I keep blaspheming the Holy Spirit when I'm angry. plus each church has a different view of that so I'm thinking of.hiding from the world and relying on God only because people can't be trusted. I feel alone and sinful and unlovable and unforgiven. I'm not too nice to my partner even though he's been on Crack and rinsed me.of 1000 pounds of money and has paranoia really bad but I'm jealous of him at times because he has close connection with signs and wonders and God I.believe he's saved and I'm not. I went to the sozo place and I just couldn't worship at all but cried during prayer but couldn't let go then had 40 minutes counseling to break off Satanism but just feel like a phoney. I can't shake off that nobody gets im probably not saved and I'd have to start all over again but Jesus is coming back and its making me feel suicidal because God is moving slow in my life and I tell him I love and miss him but I feel lost. please help.

I was told by a very close friend, a girl who planted the seed that led me down this path, that all we must do is accept Jesus Christ as our savior in order to be saved. She never said anything else, and I believe her.

If you have done this, then you need not worry anymore.

 

[DJT_47]

I was told by a very close friend, a girl who planted the seed that led me down this path, that all we must do is accept Jesus Christ as our savior in order to be saved. She never said anything else, and I believe her.

If you have done this, then you need not worry anymore.

That's not what the scriptures teach at all. Read the book of Acts also referred to as the book of conversions. A good example of a conversion is that of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. He believed, he verbally confessed his belief (ref Rom 10:9), and was baptized. Also look closely at Acts 2 and the conversion of the Jews on the day of Pentecost. They believed and were told to repent and be baptized for the remission or forgiveness of their sins in Acts 2:38. These two examples tell you all that's necessary to be saved. 1. Belief
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism

 

[WIP]

That's not what the scriptures teach at all. Read the book of Acts also referred to as the book of conversions. A good example of a conversion is that of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. He believed, he verbally confessed his belief (ref Rom 10:9), and was baptized. Also look closely at Acts 2 and the conversion of the Jews on the day of Pentecost. They believed and were told to repent and be baptized for the remission or forgiveness of their sins in Acts 2:38. These two examples tell you all that's necessary to be saved. 1. Belief
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism

This forum is not a forum for debating differences. Please focus your replies to the original poster's questions.