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[YosefHayim]

The Apostle Paul says to take care of your family first or else you are worse than an unbeliever.
And Scripture please: where does it say giving 10% of your income to the local church is what God wants of us?

2 Peter 2:3?
...through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you...

 

[th1b.taylor]

The principle of tithing by the law just isn't in the NT. We are to give by faith just like everything else we do.
In the OT Law, people who made money in other professions, that were not agricultural, did not tithe. So why didn't they?

Deb,
This entire string is a mute point. No matter why an individual chooses to begin giving, if at any point, he or she begins to give from the heart it is proper and counted to them for laying up treasure in Heaven. And if anyone can prove me wrong they are welcome to show me the scriptures.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Acts 5 New King James Version (NKJV)
Lying to the Holy Spirit
5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things. 6 And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out, and buried him.

7 Now it was about three hours later when his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter answered her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for so much?”

She said, “Yes, for so much.”

9 Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Then immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. And the young men came in and found her dead, and carrying her out, buried her by her husband. 11 So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things.

None will ever lie to the Holy Spirit and it is deadly to attempt it.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

2 Peter 2:3?
...through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you...

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Deborah13]

Deb,
This entire string is a mute point. No matter why an individual chooses to begin giving, if at any point, he or she begins to give from the heart it is proper and counted to them for laying up treasure in Heaven. And if anyone can prove me wrong they are welcome to show me the scriptures.

Bill I already gave a 'like' to your post that said such.
This thread is about pastors who teach tithing from the Law, I'm on topic.

So do you have any insight into why the tithes HAD to be agricultural? There has to be a spiritual significance to that, don't you think?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill I already gave a 'like' to your post that said such.
This thread is about pastors who teach tithing from the Law, I'm on topic.

So do you have any insight into why the tithes HAD to be agricultural? There has to be a spiritual significance to that, don't you think?

yes, I was, I guess, in my way agreeing with you. I believe it would be a great thing to tact right or left as a sailing craft would, for this is exposing a lot of bad Christian behavior.

I know of one pastor that began his ministry in a Rural Church. They provided him, his wife and his children with a nice and adiquit parsonage and he was to keep all of the offering on Sunday and any donations to the Church on Wednesday Prayer meeting. After Sunday Morning he was really worried, the offering was, like, $6.15 and he knew that would never do. But the first time He went to the only Gas Station in town he was instructed to not stop pumping a five dollars but to fill'er up, it was free.

Shortly later, that same day, a farmer showed up with a bushel of Corn, and later another with half a dozen Chicken and a quarter Cow and half a hog for the freezer in the garage. All of that week people arrived with Fresh meat, produce and an assortment of canned goods in Mason Jars.

He has since been moved on by the LORD but he says the most value and the least debt he ever accrued was there, they lived like royalty.

I told that to emphasize the point that God meant for us to give what is valuable to us. When I still farmed, most of what I gave to or paid with was not out of my pocket but came from my labor in the field. The LORD, my take, did not ever intend us to become antipersonnel money agents like unto tax collectors.

There is likely much more to this lesson and I pray others, preachers especially, will expound on this. Very Master Sailor, tacking this way, may God bless.

 

[Deborah13]

Shortly later, that same day, a farmer showed up with a bushel of Corn, and later another with half a dozen Chicken and a quarter Cow and half a hog for the freezer in the garage. All of that week people arrived with Fresh meat, produce and an assortment of canned goods in Mason Jars.

When my dh was growing up here there was a doctor who took payment for his services in much the same way. Most families grew their own food, canned, etc. So those who had little money could pay him in food stuffs, auto repair, haircuts, etc.

 

[Kenny_ms]

So do you have any insight into why the tithes HAD to be agricultural? There has to be a spiritual significance to that, don't you think?

I assume they had money that far back...right?

 

[jasonc]

I assume they had money that far back...right?

yes they did, shekels.

 

[Kenny_ms]

OK, thanks.

Then maybe it was for immediate needs? Food is a first and foremost need so, makes some sense anyway. As to filling the graineries so people wouldn't go hungry and feeding Priests, I guess that speaks for itself.

And the woman who gave all she had was one of the few times I recall (and I may be very wrong here) money actually being mentioned in this regard.

Can anyone cite verses where money was mentioned in terms of tithing/giving. Godly giving.

 

[Deborah13]

Can anyone cite verses where money was mentioned in terms of tithing/giving. Godly giving.

There was likely gold, silver, etc. in the spoils of war that Abraham gave to Melchizedek. He gave a 10th of them. But this was not from his personal wealth, which was left at his home, when he went to get back Lot. He didn't bring his flocks, etc. with him to chase down the enemy 120 miles away.

 

[Kenny_ms]

There was likely gold, silver, etc. in the spoils of war that Abraham gave to Melchizedek. He gave a 10th of them. But this was not from his personal wealth, which was left at his home, when he went to get back Lot. He didn't bring his flocks, etc. with him to chase down the enemy 120 miles away.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of God or Jesus ordered giving. Or maybe that was ordered in some sense?

The reason I bring it up is to see if God liked to stay away from actual money giving and I could see why he would. Giving money meant that anyone could buy anything with it and it was more likely to draw wrong use than things might.

That and maybe he just liked to generally stay away from bringing money into the mix any more than necessary. Taking an overall look at what goes on today/what this thread is about, it's easy to see why.

 

[Deborah13]

The reason I bring it up is to see if God liked to stay away from actual money giving and I could see why he would.

Personally, right now, I believe that God said only agriculture because it was what He made, not what man made.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Thank you, Deb, it would have taken me forever to dig out that info.

Even if that's not 100% correct, I believe it's close enough because that's all I recall seeing too.

 

[YosefHayim]

What in the world are you talking about?

You asked.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You asked.

Oh!
You were agreeing with me.
Hallelujah!
Someone on this forum agreed with me.