[_ Old Earth _] Science and faith

[Corn Pop]

No faith. Thats why all natural seed was destroyed by science by GE to pump quantity over Gods quality to sustain the worlds food supply. No faith in Christ.

 

[Barbarian]

No faith. Thats why all natural seed was destroyed by science by GE to pump quantity over Gods quality to sustain the worlds food supply. No faith in Christ.

Lots of legacy seeds out there, if you want to use them. They just aren't very productive. Oh, and all of those seeds used prior to the 20th century were genetically modified. We just did it a little differently in those days.

 

[Corn Pop]

You can get more natural food that are full of flavor and nutrience, but they modify to consumer perfection.

Not even Gods food is good enough for the world.

 

[Barbarian]

You can get more natural food that are full of flavor and nutrience, but they modify to consumer perfection.

Not even Gods food is good enough for the world.

For example, we genetically modified wheat back about 2500 BC to make it not shatter, but stay on the stalk when ripe. And we genetically modified kine shortly after to be more docile and provide more milk.

And so on. I don't think God disapproves. At least He hasn't said so.

 

[Hospes]

It does seem we have been messing with the genetics of grain forever. Being afraid of a drought-tolerant or insect-tolerant grain seems a first-world fear that hurts the third-world ability to feed themselves.

Barbarian, as much as I disagree with you on politics, I thought it best to take this opportunity to agree with you on something.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The Bible says no mixing.
When you do, the entire crop is defiled.
People have gluten intolerance and plenty of digestive ailments.
We've brought it on ourselves.
Deuteronomy 22

 

[Sinthesis]

No faith. Thats why all natural seed was destroyed by science by GE to pump quantity over Gods quality to sustain the worlds food supply. No faith in Christ.

Roughly the same logic would condemn all agriculture and limit us to gatherers.

 

[Barbarian]

It does seem we have been messing with the genetics of grain forever. Being afraid of a drought-tolerant or insect-tolerant grain seems a first-world fear that hurts the third-world ability to feed themselves.

Back when I was in the university, there was this guy named Jeremy Rifkin, who was hyperventilating over messing with genes of organisms, as if we hadn't been doing that for thousands of years. If anyone tells you that liberals can't be idiots, remind him of Rifkin.

Barbarian, as much as I disagree with you on politics, I thought it best to take this opportunity to agree with you on something.

It's not to say that there isn't potential for problems with anything new. It's the cost of being human. But I appreciate common ground wherever I can find it. Thanks.

 

[Jim Parker]

People have gluten intolerance and plenty of digestive ailments.

Gluten intolerance was unheard of when I was a kid in the '50s.

I wonder if Monsanto's patented "Round-up tolerant" soy bean plants contribute to allergic reactions and digestive ailments. The plant absorbs the weed killer but can tolerate it while the weeds can't and die. But the herbicide is still absorbed and spread throughout the soy plant. So the soy products made from those plants will have at least trace amounts of the herbicide in them.
That would mean that the FDA has approved some level of herbicide (IE "WEED POISON") in our food as acceptable.

And, as Gomer Pyle would say, "surPRISE SURprise," people are beginning to develop allergies to soy products.

We need more government to take care of us.
It works so well for the Indians.

iakov the fool2

 

[brother Paul]

Gluten intolerance was unheard of when I was a kid in the '50s.

I wonder if Monsanto's patented "Round-up tolerant" soy bean plants contribute to allergic reactions and digestive ailments. The plant absorbs the weed killer but can tolerate it while the weeds can't and die. But the herbicide is still absorbed and spread throughout the soy plant. So the soy products made from those plants will have at least trace amounts of the herbicide in them.
That would mean that the FDA has approved some level of herbicide (IE "WEED POISON") in our food as acceptable.

And, as Gomer Pyle would say, "surPRISE SURprise," people are beginning to develop allergies to soy products.

We need more government to take care of us.
It works so well for the Indians.

iakov the fool2

And the increase in femininity in young boys raised on soy...it mimics estrogen! Some is okay...all things in moderation!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Lots of legacy seeds out there, if you want to use them. They just aren't very productive. Oh, and all of those seeds used prior to the 20th century were genetically modified. We just did it a little differently in those days.

"We" did it differently?
So you are admitting you are part of the problem.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Gluten intolerance was unheard of when I was a kid in the '50s.

I wonder if Monsanto's patented "Round-up tolerant" soy bean plants contribute to allergic reactions and digestive ailments. The plant absorbs the weed killer but can tolerate it while the weeds can't and die. But the herbicide is still absorbed and spread throughout the soy plant. So the soy products made from those plants will have at least trace amounts of the herbicide in them.
That would mean that the FDA has approved some level of herbicide (IE "WEED POISON") in our food as acceptable.

And, as Gomer Pyle would say, "surPRISE SURprise," people are beginning to develop allergies to soy products.

We need more government to take care of us.
It works so well for the Indians.

iakov the fool2

You are probably right.

 

[Barbarian]

Gluten intolerance was unheard of when I was a kid in the '50s.

It's the cool disorder to have currently. There were always gluten intolerant people, but they were often undiagnosed, unless they had full-blown celiac disorder. On the other hand, a large number of "gluten intolerant" people are just looking for attention.

The Gluten Freehttp://www.morrisseycorporatewellness.com/gluten-free-diet-lifestyle-obsession-de-jour/ Diet – a Lifestyle or an Obsession de Jour?
http://www.morrisseycorporatewellness.com/gluten-free-diet-lifestyle-obsession-de-jour/

 

[Jim Parker]

And the increase in femininity in young boys raised on soy...it mimics estrogen! Some is okay...all things in moderation!

But Monsanto's making money so it's OK.
Just name you boys "Bruce."

jim

 

[jasonc]

Lol,The Vorlons,blame them for modifying us.

What is originally the natural state of the world?

I would be in a swamp ,or cypress orchard

 

[jasonc]

But Monsanto's making money so it's OK.
Just name you boys "Bruce."

jim

Lol

 

[Jim Parker]

Lol,The Vorlons,blame them for modifying us.

What is originally the natural state of the world?

I would be in a swamp ,or cypress orchard

Yeah. Those Vorlons turned out to be pieces of work. We were just going to be feathers in their hats. (did they wear hats///)
They should have played them "Tumbling Dice": "Baby, Baby, I don't need no jewels in my crown."

but we digress............

 

[Barbarian]

Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis.
Fertil Steril. 2010 Aug;94(3):997-1007
Hamilton-Reeves JM1, Vazquez G, Duval SJ, Phipps WR, Kurzer MS, Messina MJ.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To determine whether isoflavones exert estrogen-like effects in men by lowering bioavailable T through evaluation of the effects of soy protein or isoflavone intake on T, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), free T, and free androgen index (FAI) in men.

DESIGN:
PubMed and CAB Abstracts databases were searched through July 1, 2008, with use of controlled vocabulary specific to the databases, such as soy, isoflavones, genistein, phytoestrogens, red clover, androgen, testosterone, and SHBG. Peer-reviewed studies published in English were selected if [1] adult men consumed soy foods, isolated soy protein, or isoflavone extracts (from soy or red clover) and [2] circulating T, SHBG, free T, or calculated FAI was assessed. Data were extracted by two independent reviewers. Isoflavone exposure was abstracted directly from studies.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S):
Fifteen placebo-controlled treatment groups with baseline and ending measures were analyzed. In addition, 32 reports involving 36 treatment groups were assessed in simpler models to ascertain the results.

RESULT(S):
No significant effects of soy protein or isoflavone intake on T, SHBG, free T, or FAI were detected regardless of statistical model.

CONCLUSION(S):
The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.

 

[Barbarian]

Soy consumption and prostate cancer risk in men: a revisit of a meta-analysis
Am J Clin Nutr April 2009
vol. 89 no. 4 1155-1163
Abstract
Background: Epidemiologic studies have shown that the consumption of soy foods may be associated with a reduction in cancer risk in humans.

Objective: The purpose of this study was to conduct a meta-analysis on the association between soy consumption and prostate cancer risk in men.

Design: We systematically reviewed studies obtained through a thorough Medline literature search and identified 15 epidemiologic publications on soy consumption and 9 on isoflavones in association with prostate cancer risk. We extracted the most adjusted relative risks (RRs) and odds ratios (ORs) of the highest and the lowest reported categories of intake from each study and conducted this analysis using a random-effects model in which studies with smaller SEEs are given greater weight in the summary measure.

Results: Our analysis of studies on soy intake yielded a combined RR/OR of 0.74 (95% CI: 0.63, 0.89; P = 0.01). When separately analyzed, studies on nonfermented soy foods yielded a combined RR/OR of 0.70 (95% CI: 0.56, 0.88; P = 0.01) and those on fermented soy foods yielded a combined RR/OR of 1.02 (95% CI: 0.73, 1.42; P = 0.92). The analysis of studies on isoflavones yielded a combined RR/OR of 0.88 (95% CI: 0.76, 1.02; P = 0.09). Further separate analyses showed a combined RR/OR of 0.52 (95% CI: 0.34, 0.81; P = 0.01) from studies with Asian populations and 0.99 (95% CI: 0.85, 1.16; P = 0.91) from studies with Western populations.

Conclusions: The results of this analysis suggest that consumption of soy foods is associated with a reduction in prostate cancer risk in men. This protection may be associated with the type and quantity of soy foods consumed.