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[_ Old Earth _] Science of probability

Godbless

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Science of probability

If specific prophecies were fulfilled by the Messiah does the science of probability consider this "Proof" there is a God?

Anyone can make predictions--- that is easy. Having them fulfilled is another story. The more statements you make about the future and the greater the detail, the better the chances are that you will be proven wrong.
For example, how difficult do you think it would be to indicate the precise kind of death that a new, unknown religious leader would experience a thousand years from Today? Could you describe and predict a new method of execution not currently known---one that won't even be invented for hundreds of years? Thats what David did in 1000 B.C. when he wrote
Psalms 22 through the holy spirit.
Further, if you did think up 50 specific prophecies about some man in the future you will never meet, how difficult do you think it would be for that man to fulfill all 50 of your predictions? How hard would it be for him if 25 of your predictions were about what other people would do to him and were completely beyond his control?
It might be possible to arrange one or two of these prophecies, but it would be virtually impossible for any man to arrange and fulfill all these predictions in advance. If it can be proved that such prophecies were predicted of the messiah hundreds of years in advance, and one man fufilled all of them, then that man would logically have to be the Messiah.
God gave a great number of prophecies (more than 400) about the Messiah for at least two reasons. First, it would make identifying the Messiah obvious. And second, it would make an imposter's task impossible.
Now let us ask an intriguing question. If we assume some 456 prophecies are fulfilled in one person, what does the science of probability say about this? In brief, it says, if accurate predictions were made about a future Messiah and fulfilled years later by one person, this is reasonable proof that there is a God.
Here is why. The science of probability attempts to determine the chance that a given event will occur. Professor Emeritus of science at Westmont College, PeterStoner, has calculated the probability of one man fulfilling some of the major prophecies made concerning the Messiah. The estimates were worked out by 12 different classes of 600 college students.
The students carefully weighed all the factors, discussed each prophecy at length, and examined the various circumstances which might indicate that men had conspired together to fulfill a particular prophecy. They made their estimates conservative enough so that there was finally, unaimous agreement even among the skeptical students.
But then Professor Stoner took their estimates and made them even more conservative. He also encouraged other skeptics or scientists to make their own estimates to see if his figures for reveiw to a Committee of the American Scientific Affiliation. Upon examination, they verified that his calculations were dependable and accurate in regard to scientific material presented.
After examining eight different prophecies, Professor Stoner and his students conservatively estimate that the chance of one man fulfilling all eight prophecies was one in 10 to the power of 17,.
To show how large the number 10 to the power of 17, is ( a figure with 17 zeros) Stoner gave this illustration. Imagine covering the entire state of texas with silver dollars to a level of two feet deep. The total number of silver dollars needed to cover the whole state would be
10/17. Now, choose just one of those silver dollars, mark it , and drop it from an airoplane. then throughly stir all the silver dollars all over the state.
When that has been done, blinfold a man, then tell him he can travel wherever he wishes in the state of texas.But sometime he must stop, reach down into two feet of silver dollars, and try to pull up that one specific silver dollar that has been marked.
Now, the chance of his finding that one silver dollar in the state of texas would be the chance the prophets had for eight prophecies coming true in any one man in the future.
Professor Stoner concluded: "The fulfillment of these eight prophecies alone proves that God inspired the writing of those prophecies to a definiteness which lacks only one chance in 10 to the power of 17 of being absolute". Another way of saying this that any person who minimizes or ignores the significance of the biblical identifying signs concerning the Messiah would be foolish.
But of course, there are many more than eight prophecies. In another calculation used 48 propheceis ( even though he could of used 456) and arrived at the extremely conservation estimate that the probability of 48 prophecies being fulfilled by one person is 10 to the power of 157.
And how big is 10 to the power of 157? In 10 to the power of 157 years, could actually move all the atoms in 600,000 trillion, trillion,trillion trillion of our universes a distance of 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles. He could do this moving one atom at a time, moving each atom a distance of 30 billion light years, and traveling only at the speed of one inch 15 billion years!/6 .
This incredibly large number illustrates why it is impossible for anyone to have fulfilled all the messianic prophecies by chance. In fact , a leading authority on probability theory, Emile borel, states in his book Probabilities and life, that once we go past one chance in 10 to the power of 50, the probabilities are so small its impossible to think they will ever occur.
What this means is, it is impossible for these 48 prophecies to be fulfilled apart from the one whom appointed it God.


Rodger
 
I've never thought of it in that sense before, but it makes sense.

Godbless said:
God gave a great number of prophecies (more than 400) about the Messiah for at least two reasons. First, it would make identifying the Messiah obvious. And second, it would make an imposter's task impossible.

I can think of a third - so people can know of the great power of God, who can make prophecies (lots of them) about things way in the future, and they all come true and are fullfilled.
 
Perhaps one should always consider the potential for developing misleading conclusions from information caused by the natural human tendency towards confirmation bias. The understanding Judaism derives from Psalm 22 is quite different, for example, regarding it as an historical rather than a messianic psalm.
 
Messianic Prophecies
This is a chart of the messianic prophecies from Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22. The promise, prophecy, and fulfillment for each prophecy are shown on this chart.

Isaiah was written 700-750 years prior to the birth of Christ. Psalms was written about 1020 years prior to Jesus' birth. Since Jesus died in A.D. 30 or 33, the prophecies concerning his death were between 800 and 1050 years old when they were fulfilled.

Messianic Prophecies from Isaiah 53
Promise Prophecy Fulfillment
Who has believed our report? Isaiah 53:1 John 12:37-38, Romans 10:16

Despised and rejected Isaiah 53:3 Mark 9:12, Luke 17:25,
John 1:10-11, 1 Peter 2:4

* Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23)
* A descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16)
* Of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23, 33; Hebrews 7:14)
* Of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Matthew 1:1)
* Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7)
* Taken to Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15)
* Herod´s killing of the infants (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18)
* Anointed by the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16-17)
* Heralded by the messenger of the Lord (John the Baptist) (Isaiah 40:3-5; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:1-3)
* Would perform miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6; Matthew 9:35)
* Would preach good news (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:14-21)
* Would minister in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1; Matthew 4:12-16) Would cleanse the Temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12-13)
* Would first present Himself as King 173,880 days from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25; Matthew 21:4-11)
* Would enter Jerusalem as a king on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:4-9)
* Would be rejected by Jews (Psalm 118:22; I Peter 2:7)
* Die a humiliating death (Psalm 22; Isaiah 53) involving:
1. rejection (Isaiah 53:3; John 1:10-11; 7:5,48)
2. betrayal by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:3-4; John 13:18)
3. sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:14-15)
4. silence before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-14)
5. being mocked (Psalm 22: 7-8; Matthew 27:31)
6. beaten (Isaiah 52:14; Matthew 27:26)
7. spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 27:30)
8. piercing His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16; Matthew 27:31)
9. being crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38)
10. praying for His persecutors (Isaiah 53:12; Luke 23:34)
11. piercing His side (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34)
12. given gall and vinegar to drink (Psalm 69:21, Matthew 27:34, Luke 23:36)
13. no broken bones (Psalm 34:20; John 19:32-36)
14. buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60)
15. casting lots for His garments (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23-24)
* Would rise from the dead!! (Psalm 16:10; Mark 16:6; Acts 2:31)
* Ascend into Heaven (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9)
* Would sit down at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:3)


He has borne our infirmities Isaiah 53:4 Matthew 8:16-17

Considered smitten by God Isaiah 53:4 Galatians 3:13,Matthew27:38-44, L Luke 23:35

Wounded for our transgressions Isaiah 53:5 Romans 4:25

We are healed by his stripes Isaiah 53:5 1 Peter 2:24

Jesus was flogged Isaiah 53:5 Mark 15:15, Luke 22:63-65,
John 19:1

Silent before His accusers Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 26:62-63, 27:12-14,
Mark 14:60-61, 15:3-15,
John 19:9, Acts 8:32-35

Christ died for our sins Isaiah 53:8 1 Corinthians 15:3

Died with the wicked Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27-28, L Luke 23:32-33

Buried with the rich Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60, Mark 15:43-46, L Luke 23:50-53, John 19:38-42

Lived a sinless life Isaiah 53:9 1 Peter 2:22

Jesus was an offering for sin Isaiah 53:10 1 Corinthians 15:3, Hebrews 10:12-14

He would justify many Isaiah 53:11 Acts 13:38-39, Romans 5:17-19

He will be great Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 28:18, Luke 24:27

Numbered with transgressors Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27-28, L Luke 23:32-33

Made intercession for sinners Isaiah 53:12 Luke 23:34, 39-43, Romans 8:34

Messianic Prophecies from Psalm 22
Promise Prophecy Fulfillment
The forsaken Christ Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34

Verbally abused by men Psalm 22:6-7 Matthew 26:67-68, 27:27-31

Trust in God ridiculed Psalm 22:8 Matthew 27:39-44, Mark 15:29-32, L Luke 23:35, 39

Surrounded by enemies Psalm 22:12 Matthew 27:27-31, Mark 15:16-20

Physically weakened Psalm 22:14-15 Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21, L
Luke 23:26

Thirsty Psalm 22:15 John 19:28

Surrounded by enemies Psalm 22:16 Matthew 27:39-44

Hands and feet pierced Psalm 22:16 John 20:20, 25

Bones not broken Psalm 22:17 John 19:31-36

Stared at by the people Psalm 22:17 Matthew 27:55-56, Luke 23:35, 48-49,
John 19:20

Lots cast for His clothing Psalm 22:18 Matthew 27:35, Mark 15:24,
Luke 23:34, John 19:23-24

God heard His prayers Psalm 22:21, 24 Hebrews 5:7-8


Rodger
 
^ Are you posting this list as an example of the human tendency towards confirmation bias that I was addressing previously? ;)
 
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