Scriptural Conflict Resolution aka Harmony

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Since there is some minor discussion on the 'scholastic' endeavors of scriptural study I thought to jot a few notes on matters of harmony and more importantly 'why' such efforts usually doomed to fail entirely and more importantly they will not harmonize and can not harmonize no matter their vain efforts.

You will not read or find this dissection anywhere in commentary. God gave it to me after 20 years of diligent prayer and study 'in the Spirit.' It is not a shallow presentation. Some will read it and be able to understand. Some will never get it. There are reasons in the scriptures themselves put forth as to 'why' some will get it and more importantly why the majority will NEVER get it or understand how to 'harmonize' in this direction.

In the Gospels we find many accounts that vast vast numbers of scholars have tried to 'explain' as a defense, mostly to other blinded scholars who all keep running around in circles trying to figure them out. To the untrained eye, the mockers of The Word, they point to such things and say LOOK, there is an obvious CONFLICT and ERROR right there in front of your own nose and you REFUSE to acknowledge that the BIBLE is therefore IN ERROR, because there is no 'logical' explanation to get past those conflicts.

I would say first off that conflicts are put into the text, and many such in the Gospels PRECISELY to get the 'students' of the Word and the Spirit to observe them, as I did, seeking to understand 'why' and to have God Bring the answer. But to others, the doors of understandings to them will remain FIRMLY LOCKED. No 'man' will be able to OPEN them. It is only The Lord who will bring to LIGHT. If you have no interest in WORD/SPIRIT Light, what I write will remain a mystery to the viewer, and I'm OK with that and expect the blind to not see and to mock. This too is a sign that is actually sent by God to confirm the understandings.

Often when Jesus walked, the DEMONS would cry out of men. There is your lesson for those who desire to FOLLOW HIM. You might observe what happened to Jesus and expect the same. If not, well...not following would be the observation.

I'm going to make this dissection quick.

There is a principle involved in handling the Word. It is as sure as the ground under my feet. Yet neither feet nor ground can compare to it as they are UNseen matters. Matters of the Spirit pitted against the workings of the anti-Christ spirits. If you do not believe that such evil spirits exist, you have no room for discussions with me as you are factually spiritually blinded by same.

IN the accounts of the Gospels there is one account, the account of a man possessed with such spirits of the EVIL kind. And in typical fashion those spirits in that man compelled the man to throw himself before the feet of Jesus IN FEAR. Yes, these spirits have great reason to fear. They ARE going to be utterly destroyed.

The account is listed by 3 writers. I could write 'why' John didn't write about the account but it would be meaningless to most readers.

The account in brief is written by Matthew, Mark and Luke.

I am going to focus on only one aspect of this encounter. You will find some blindmen actually say it is two or 3 different accounts because they all vary in their details, but it is ONLY one account written and detailed PRECISELY by THE HOLY SPIRIT in those writers in painstakingly meticulous fashions in their variations.

In brief, Matthew describes the encounter with TWO MEN...they being of the GERGESENES. Gergesenes translates as 'dweller on clayey soil.' If you know your textual construct, you know that mans body is DUST...it is also CLAY as in A POT, WET DUST. Even CLAY.

Got that? Two men, dweller on clayey soil.

Mark and Luke however describe the man accurately. A man, singular, but with an evil spirit in the case of Mark and in Lukes depiction a man with DEVILS plural, meaning many. They also describe the 'man' singular as being from the GADARENES.

Yes, on the surface these accounts are VERY much in conflict.

It was when I took it 'personally' to be a FACT that where the Word is sown, Satan enters immediately to steal and no longer LIED to myself about this fact happening to me that God opened up my understanding of this matter and many others. Because the WORD does deal with entities UNSEEN. But the person engaging the Word must have GOD instill HONESTY in them on this fact before they will EVER see. Otherwise the door of understanding is and WILL REMAIN LOCKED to such and for precise purposes.

We all know that Jesus CAST OUT LEGION from that man, who then returned to his 'right' mind.

The meaning of Gadarenes...?

REWARD AT THE END.

Some will see and be amazed. Others will read and not have ONE CLUE. No, not ONE CLUE.

I only wish someone would have shared this fact with me before the 20 years. I hope other children of God will find benefit with the breaking of His Bread, therefore I distribute.

You see the answer was always right there in front of my own eyes. I just was NOT LED to see it. And you can search this entire earth and all the history of commentary and NOT ONCE will you find this answer. No, not ONCE.

To be a Dr. of Theology one must have a provable original thesis. This one is certainly a qualifier. But I wouldn't trade what I have for all the knowledge of all the doctors and scholars in the world. What they have is meaningless to me.

enjoy!

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[Former Christian]

Smaller

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. But if you’re trying to say that the practice of Biblical interpretation isn’t working out very well for Christianity, and that we should listen to Jesus Christ through the Spirit instead of the Biblical interpreters, and that this isn’t just your own personal opinion, I’m in full agreement.

FC

 

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Smaller

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.

I noted that to be a fact in the opening post. That's the interesting thing about The Word. The matters can be placed in front of any person, read and not comprehended whatsoever or only comprehended in part. My post speaks to 'why' that is so. Yet people still can NOT see it. In many ways it is a validation of the present action of faith.

But if you’re trying to say that the practice of Biblical interpretation isn’t working out very well for Christianity, and that we should listen to Jesus Christ through the Spirit instead of the Biblical interpreters, and that this isn’t just your own personal opinion, I’m in full agreement.

There is no 'interpretation' even required. The Word already made His Case. The difficulty has always been in the hearts of the 'hearers.' Jesus tells us many ways in many places WHY it is so difficult. The man of the Gergesenes/Gaderenes again tells us PERFECTLY WHY. Yet you can't see it or understand it either.

No offense intended to you as Gods child. I slur no child of God with what I see. I also understand and sympathize with many of the matters you put forth. I would pray that God in Christ would show everyone the simplicities of this matter, but there is the very factual matter of the 'resistor' of the Word IN HEART.

That place only God can take His Children to understand. Otherwise the child remains under that working and proves it is so.

I wish it were easier to see. But hearing The Gospel is not based upon my wishes.

s

 

[Drew]

You will not read or find this dissection anywhere in commentary. God gave it to me after 20 years of diligent prayer and study 'in the Spirit.'

As in many of your other posts, you appear to implicitly buy into the notion of gnosticism - that some people, of course including you, have access to "special knowledge". This is an exceedingly dubious position, I suggest.

It is not a shallow presentation. Some will read it and be able to understand. Some will never get it. There are reasons in the scriptures themselves put forth as to 'why' some will get it and more importantly why the majority will NEVER get it or understand how to 'harmonize' in this direction.

A familiar strain: I have access to the truth that is beyond the rest of you

In the Gospels we find many accounts that vast vast numbers of scholars have tried to 'explain' as a defense, mostly to other blinded scholars who all keep running around in circles trying to figure them out.

More question-begging rhetoric. Note how there is no argument for the content of a specific position, but rather speculations about the ability of those who you disagree with to see the "truth" that you see.

The rest of your post is more of the same; You mix a pinch of truth - that there are indeed evil forces at work in the world - with a lot of obvious question-begging rhetoric where you simply try to establish your position by suggesting that you have privileged access to the truth. And you strongly imply that those who take you to task - even if they have good arguments - are simply not among the privileged elite.

 

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As in many of your other posts, you appear to implicitly buy into the notion of gnosticism

The notion of gnosticism? Please. Do you even know what gnosticism is? It is founded in a basic understanding that 'all matter is evil' and 'only the spirit is good.'

I totally REJECT all of that, period. So take your false accusations elsewhere.

- that some people, of course including you, have access to "special knowledge". This is an exceedingly dubious position, I suggest.

And you can claim 'special knowledge' for me reading and sharing plain and open statements of scripture. The fact is however you don't understand. That does not make it 'my problem' Drew. The first post is meant to IDENTIFY a MAN POSSESSED by DEVILS and the REWARD AT THE END in DELIVERANCE.

This fact is written as PLAIN AS DAY to me, set right there IN TYPE. It requires NO 'special knowledge to read and understand.' The 'real' question is WHY you wouldn't see it!

Now, if you think that is some vain view, I would beg to say that is in fact the HOPE of THE GOSPEL for DELIVERANCE from EVIL in this present world. You may certainly lay claims to your present perfection. I see sin is of the devil, I have sin, I then know and SEE the obvious connection. Most can't and DON'T and even WON'T see because of the blinding power OF SATAN.

So you are wasting your time trying to accuse me or spin the facts some other way. I know my HOPE very well, thank you. I'd suggest that the child of God in you might see the facts the same way.

Why you wouldn't see that HOPE may speak to the facts of your own heart. Not my problem to force you to see. I know when I share that one will hear and one will not. This too is a fact of scripture. The resistance of devils in the hearts of men will NEVER hear, nor were they meant to.

Cutting the balance of your post for irrelevant statements of non-facts and false accusations.

enjoy!

s

 

[reba]

Guys dont take this any father into the personal realm. We do have one on one debate forums available.

 

[Drew]

The notion of gnosticism? Please. Do you even know what gnosticism is? It is founded in a basic understanding that 'all matter is evil' and 'only the spirit is good.'

You are right, but this is not the main point. I have heard the term "gnosticism" used to describe the belief that one has special knowledge. If that is incorrect usage of the therm, I withdraw the attribution of "gnosticism" to you.

Correction:

I was wrong to imply smaller accepts gnosticism.

It will be more correct to simply state that smaller's posts give the impression of a person who believes they have privileged access to the truth that is denied to others.

OK?

 

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You are right,

Drew, I am not right. The Word and the Spirit are RIGHT.

I fully admit that I only see in PART, that I have SIN and that MY, yes MY sin is directly connected to the DEVIL and that the TEMPTER tempts me IN MIND, so that places the TEMPTER where? Yeah, do the math. So 'how right' am I able to be? I have MY LIVING HOPE for release from this present wicked and evil generation. This is my HOPE. It is a 'real' HOPE for me because I know my condition. The Word has shown me the facts. I submit to those matters as being TRUTHFUL, showing me MY problems.

but this is not the main point. I have heard the term "gnosticism" used to describe the belief that one has special knowledge. If that is incorrect usage of the therm, I withdraw the attribution of "gnosticism" to you.

I provided the 'essence' of gnosticism prior. All churches claim understandings of mysteries i.e. special knowledge. I do not make such claims as I see what is on paper is in fact REAL in the world.

Sin is a fact in this present world. Sin is of the devil. Even though I can not 'see' these matters with my EYES, as in laying eyes on Satan I believe it is a FACTUAL matter. Now you are welcome to call that 'special knowledge' but to me the facts of this matter are very clearly depicted in the scriptures/Word and I believe THE WORD. The Word does not LIE to me about the facts. The Word does speak to workings that we can not SEE. Therefore, one must BELIEVE His Statements to SEE the UNseen. I know this is a difficult matter. I struggled with it myself for many years before God 'led' me to confront this matter in my own heart.

Correction:

I was wrong to imply smaller accepts gnosticism.

Thank you. I accept and appreciate your graciousness.

It will be more correct to simply state that smaller's posts give the impression of a person who believes they have privileged access to the truth that is denied to others.
OK?

And thank you again. Your impression is not an accurate or factual depiction.

s

 

[Former Christian]

Smaller

Since you have contended that I didn’t understand what you were saying, I must conclude that what you were trying to say and my response to it are incompatible.

In everything that I have presented on this forum, I contend it is basics. Well within the capability of all who are in Christ to understand. All it takes is walking by the Spirit and an open mind. If one interprets the bible or what is received through the Spirit, one will change the truth into a personal opinion. The state of the heart really has nothing to do with it. Indeed, if the truth is received as is, it tends to change the human heart.

The reason I said I couldn’t understand what you were saying was merely a reference to how you presented it. If you wish to take that as a fault on my part, you are, of course, free to do so. And I can only respond that perhaps you should look to yourself more than to others. I’ve always had a hard time understanding what you write.


“The first post is meant to IDENTIFY a MAN POSSESSED by DEVILS and the REWARD AT THE END in DELIVERANCE.
This fact is written as PLAIN AS DAY to me, set right there IN TYPE. It requires NO 'special knowledge to read and understand.' The 'real' question is WHY you wouldn't see it!”

I understand your much simpler explanation quite well. Or at least I think I do. It seems to be clear. But now seeing I didn’t see before what seems clear here, maybe what I see here isn’t so clear after all.


“Now, if you think that is some vain view, I would beg to say that is in fact the HOPE of THE GOSPEL for DELIVERANCE from EVIL in this present world. You may certainly lay claims to your present perfection. I see sin is of the devil, I have sin, I then know and SEE the obvious connection. Most can't and DON'T and even WON'T see because of the blinding power OF SATAN.”

All I see in this is that you have totally neglected to take into account that Satan can blind no one except those who wish to be blinded. I wouldn’t include anyone who is in Christ into that equation by definition. The one who is in Christ, is in Christ, because he is not, nor does he have any desire to be, blinded by Satan. What you say here is due to an unwarranted fear of Satan. And fear does not blind, it distorts. Fear makes the small seem large. Fear makes one see things that aren’t there and to see things that are in a distorted manner. Satan can’t do anything like that. If Satan had that kind of power, there would be no one who would be in Christ, and the faith and works of Jesus Christ with reference to the human race would be worthless.

I have to say that I’m disappointed. You have taken on the attitude evident in Savedbygrace57. I don’t respond to him anymore. Any response that is relative to anything he says is for the benefit of others, not to him.

I have in the past taken the time to understand your posts, and I usually finally am able to make enough sense out of them to respond with understanding. This time I didn’t. But if you’re going to take the attitude that the fact I don’t understand you is due to some flaw in my ability to understand, I will desist taking the time to attempt to understand you in the future. And anything that you say that I may be able to agree with, or eventually understand, will be totally and irrevocably, lost to me. And in comparison to what Jesus teaches me, I find that to be a small loss.




And Reba, I am sorry to have to make such a post. But I don't want anyone to think that I'm in agreement with this kind of attitude or that I identify with it in any way.

FC

 

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Since you have contended that I didn’t understand what you were saying, I must conclude that what you were trying to say and my response to it are incompatible.

I was reciting your statement, so no contention from me:

"I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here."

In everything that I have presented on this forum, I contend it is basics. Well within the capability of all who are in Christ to understand. All it takes is walking by the Spirit and an open mind. If one interprets the bible or what is received through the Spirit, one will change the truth into a personal opinion. The state of the heart really has nothing to do with it. Indeed, if the truth is received as is, it tends to change the human heart.

I don't recall seeing the two men of the Gergesenes heart as being alone. That was obviously NOT the case. So, there may be how any particular man may see in contention with what he carries that is not him and that may be bring exactly opposite conclusions.

Interesting dynamic isn't it?

The reason I said I couldn’t understand what you were saying was merely a reference to how you presented it. If you wish to take that as a fault on my part, you are, of course, free to do so. And I can only respond that perhaps you should look to yourself more than to others. I’ve always had a hard time understanding what you write.

I will be more simple about it just for you. The tempter operates in the mind and hearts of man, the result of which is sin. Because you have discounted that matter and tried to look ONLY upon man, that also tells me that I am not in discussion with 'just you.' There is the will of the tempter to NOT have children of God look within their own hearts to 'find' both the RESISTOR and the source of all resistance and confusion among us.

I also do not deny the presence of the Holy Spirit with believers as well. So there again is just a VERY interesting dynamic, one that requires only reading the facts, and also those various realities are played out in believers.

To put this in a more real perspective I'm not observing some head twisting vomit spewing possession, but the trickle of darkened, ignorant, even EVIL thoughts that run through the mind of everyone, which I believe to be of the TEMPTER and not of the child of God. (no sensationalism required.)

I understand your much simpler explanation quite well. Or at least I think I do. It seems to be clear. But now seeing I didn’t see before what seems clear here, maybe what I see here isn’t so clear after all.

Thank you for entering into understanding, in part, I think...

“Now, if you think that is some vain view, I would beg to say that is in fact the HOPE of THE GOSPEL for DELIVERANCE from EVIL in this present world. You may certainly lay claims to your present perfection. I see sin is of the devil, I have sin, I then know and SEE the obvious connection. Most can't and DON'T and even WON'T see because of the blinding power OF SATAN.”

All I see in this is that you have totally neglected to take into account that Satan can blind no one except those who wish to be blinded.

Common fallacy of personal exemption, originating from where? Uh huh. Not from you as Gods child. But that is really the first lie that all of us are sold from that working. No, you are exempt. Not you. You are Gods child. (pardon me while I chuckle, knowing that tempting thoughts places the tempter where?) :yes

If God in Christ chooses to 'vivify' this fact in you, it will take some time to measure and to digest. You will find it quite a secure fact.

I wouldn’t include anyone who is in Christ into that equation by definition.

Or perhaps you may see that the child of God IS in Christ and the TEMPTER not at all. There is the distinct possibility that both views are facts. I would NEVER think to 'excuse' my evil thoughts, words or deeds as being 'under Grace.' Heaven forbid. And the reason I can't is I know where that working comes from. Not from me as Gods child. Therefore my own personal battle is 'within' where it always was. If I lose, I have an Advocate. The Tempter does not have an Advocate. Therefore I am reluctant to spread Grace to that working and WILL NOT as it is not meant for the TEMPTER.

The one who is in Christ, is in Christ, because he is not, nor does he have any desire to be, blinded by Satan.

Desire and reality are two entirely different matters. Though I certainly desire to 'see in full' I know the tempter is and will BLOCK that from happening. Now, look around you in all believers and you will see who is really having a ball. The tempter.

The next form of denial will be, well, if we resist then the devil flees. And that may very well be so as far as temptation goes, but we still can't say we have 'present tense have' no sin, and of course sin is of whom? That's right. The DEVIL. You are welcome to disconnect that fact from yourself however you are led. Paul however was quite clear about the presence of EVIL with him. I do not believe that Paul was EVIL. I believe the TEMPTER is EVIL, even when PASSIVE. If you do not believe this is so, just try hurting yourself quickly sometime and see how fast you will CURSE. Lightning fast I might say from experience. Maybe we'll have some fun recounting some paths that I've tried to work out in this direction. You know, trying to get 'one up' on perfect behavior as in always and every time.

What you say here is due to an unwarranted fear of Satan.

That is only how 'you' perceive it. I have nothing to fear from the facts of OUR LORD. If they are facts then I am meant to gain from knowing them.

I have no problem with being entirely secure in Christ and the working of Satan, the tempter in me entirely NOT secure whatsoever. In this equation I fear THE LORD much more than Satan because I know that God can deal with that working in me ANY TIME and in ANY MANNER He so chooses. I know this to be a fact of 'chastisement' of God. And IF we do not suffer that type of chastisement, then we are bastards and 'not sons.' (see Hebrews regarding this matter)

And fear does not blind, it distorts.

Again, that is only in your eyes. I prefer the facts of the matters and have no fear from Truthful presentations of Word on this matter. It's also why I, like you, will shun everyday church sheeple because they can't accept me 'as I am.' They prefer to paint everything with a heavy coat of whitewash. I'm not led to do that. I looked on the inside and found myself in bad shape. God in Christ 'showed me why' from His Words.

Fear makes the small seem large.

I might think that if I lied to God I'd have much more cause to fear. There is just no sense trying to dodge the facts of the power of gravity or the fact of the tempter in mind putting the tempter where? Yes, with us. I will not be a liar on this matter even though professing that a liar is with me is a requirement.

This fact keeps me always ON GUARD and attentive toward GOD. The liar then has become my servant to PRESS IN CLOSER to God because I NEED Him as a PRESENT REALITY to work for my benefit. If our faith has no Divine Compatriot born of NEED what good is HE?

Fear makes one see things that aren’t there and to see things that are in a distorted manner. Satan can’t do anything like that. If Satan had that kind of power, there would be no one who would be in Christ, and the faith and works of Jesus Christ with reference to the human race would be worthless.

I'm afraid you have had a disconnect in logic. Sorry you have over shot the observations and leapt into bypassing the facts by subjective analysis...

I have to say that I’m disappointed. You have taken on the attitude evident in Savedbygrace57.

I agree with Mr. SBG on much. And much I do not because he, like most, totally exempts himself from the facts I know to be facts. I can't go where he does because it is in my opinion, quite dishonest on at least 1/2 of his equations. On some stuff though he is quite RIGHT. Therein is the dilemma for all of us. If we looked on the inside of the cup honestly we WOULD find evil present in heart and that being of the TEMPTER. I do not extend any GRACE or LOVE to that working. Grace and Love are ONLY meant for children of God.

I don’t respond to him anymore. Any response that is relative to anything he says is for the benefit of others, not to him.

Ah, I can't help but try to crack his shell once in awhile with the facts, which he and most are quite impervious to. go figure.

I have in the past taken the time to understand your posts,

I share as I have been shared with. I have nothing to fear from Truth.

and I usually finally am able to make enough sense out of them to respond with understanding. This time I didn’t.

Well, it's a pretty long post from you...

But if you’re going to take the attitude that the fact I don’t understand you is due to some flaw in my ability to understand,

I would never infer any slur to you as a child of God. Nope. But that is not 'all' that I observe. And I don't excuse myself from the measures either...:help

I will desist taking the time to attempt to understand you in the future. And anything that you say that I may be able to agree with, or eventually understand, will be totally and irrevocably, lost to me. And in comparison to what Jesus teaches me, I find that to be a small loss.

Well, that would only be you reflecting things that you think you see, as noted above. Sorry you couldn't come to grips, but then again I know it's not just you.

s

 

[Sinthesis]

At least you are seeking to resolve any apparent contradictions you might see in the scriptures. However remember, your faith should be in Jesus rather than your particular understanding of an aspect of scripture. Otherwise it is subject to vanity.


Γαδαρηνός - Strong's G1046 - Gadarēnos - adjective - From Gadara (a town east of the Jordan)
Gadarenes = "reward at the end"
1) also called Gergesenes, was the capital of Peraea, situated opposite the south extremity of the Lake of Gennesaret to the south-east, but at some distance from the lake on the banks of the river Hieromax

Γερασηνός - Strong's G1086 - Gerasēnos - adjective - Of Hebrew origin גִּרְגָּשִׁי (H1622)
Gergesenes = "a stranger drawing near" ?
1) also called Gadarenes, is assumed to have been located on the eastern shore of Lake Gennesaret

גִּרְגָּשִׁי - Strong's H1622 - Girgashiy - adjective - Patrial from an unused name [of uncertain derivation]
Girga:shocked!:shocked!:shocked!:shocked!e or Girgasite = "dwelling on a clayey soil"
1) descendants of Canaan and one of the nations living east of the sea of Galilee when the Israelites entered the promised land

Mar 5:1 ¶ And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.​

The symbolism you claim to see is not there because the possessed man was already in the land of the "reward at the end". Yet other symbolism could work.

Mar 4:13 ¶ And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
Mar 4:14 - The sower soweth the word.
Mar 4:15 - And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Mar 4:16 - And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
Mar 4:17 - And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Mar 4:18 - And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
Mar 4:19 - And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Mar 4:20 - And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive [it], and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.​

According to the above parable, not everybody is by the way side.

 

[Former Christian]

Smaller

If you want to say “the devil made me do it†every time you give in to your own flesh, that’s your privilege. To me, that’s just a way to shirk personal responsibility for what we ourselves do. And since I’m not a Christian, your intimations that I’m not a Christian because I don’t see things that you do, well, it really has no meaning for me.

FC

 

[smaller]

At least you are seeking to resolve any apparent contradictions you might see in the scriptures. However remember, your faith should be in Jesus rather than your particular understanding of an aspect of scripture. Otherwise it is subject to vanity.

Irrelevant point to 'factually' having temptation working in believers which same is of the tempter.

It is pointless not to look at that fact and the connections thereof to sins progression.

Γαδαρηνός - Strong's G1046 - Gadarēnos - adjective - From Gadara (a town east of the Jordan)
Gadarenes = "reward at the end"

Uh, yeah.

Γερασηνός - Strong's G1086 - Gerasēnos - adjective - Of Hebrew origin גִּרְגָּשִׁי (H1622)
Gergesenes = "a stranger drawing near" ?
1) also called Gadarenes, is assumed to have been located on the eastern shore of Lake Gennesaret

גִּרְגָּשִׁי - Strong's H1622 - Girgashiy - adjective - Patrial from an unused name [of uncertain derivation]
Girga:shocked!:shocked!:shocked!:shocked!e or Girgasite = "dwelling on a clayey soil"

Uh, yeah.

The symbolism you claim to see is not there because the possessed man was already in the land of the "reward at the end". Yet other symbolism could work.

That is 'why' there is a description of his DWELLING AREA put forth in the text and also WHY it varies. Again, the point of the first post and the variations from the writers of the account.

Mar 4:13 ¶ And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
Mar 4:14 - The sower soweth the word.
Mar 4:15 - And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Mar 4:16 - And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
Mar 4:17 - And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Mar 4:18 - And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
Mar 4:19 - And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Mar 4:20 - And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive [it], and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.​

According to the above parable, not everybody is by the way side.

IF you want to exempt yourself from being blinded by the 'god of this world' pre SALVATION or to say the tempter no longer tempts you IN MIND you'd have a point.

I don't believe that factually that case can be made for believers.

John the Apostle tells us clearly that we can't say we have no sin and be 'in Truth' and also that 'he who commits sin is of the devil' so, you know. Do the math.

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If you want to say “the devil made me do it” every time you give in to your own flesh, that’s your privilege.

I didn't say that WHATSOEVER FC. If the tempter inserts a temptation thought, that thought being A SIN and if it is not FROM YOU, then the tempter made YOU do NOTHING. It is a thought from another party. So don't try a Flip Wilson on me.

Read the content instead please.

To me, that’s just a way to shirk personal responsibility for what we ourselves do.

And I'd again submit that the tempter could care less about you and your responsibility. You do have temptation thoughts from the tempter as we all do. They are sins. There is no avoiding the connection as much as that may disturb your mind.

And since I’m not a Christian, your intimations that I’m not a Christian because I don’t see things that you do, well, it really has no meaning for me.

FC

Yeah, I get it when people can't see the scriptural fact on this particular matter. That tells me they remain 'under cover.'

enjoy!

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You will not read or find this dissection anywhere in commentary. God gave it to me after 20 years of diligent prayer and study 'in the Spirit.' It is not a shallow presentation. Some will read it and be able to understand. Some will never get it. There are reasons in the scriptures themselves put forth as to 'why' some will get it and more importantly why the majority will NEVER get it or understand how to 'harmonize' in this direction.

WOW! "God gave it to you huh smaller? Interesting that God has "given" others differing understandings. What makes yours superior to otherss that make similar claims who believe to have been influenced by God's Spirit just as much if not moreso than you? Perhaps your "magic decoder ring" is more powerful than ours?

In the Gospels we find many accounts that vast vast numbers of scholars have tried to 'explain' as a defense, mostly to other blinded scholars who all keep running around in circles trying to figure them out. To the untrained eye, the mockers of The Word, they point to such things and say LOOK, there is an obvious CONFLICT and ERROR right there in front of your own nose and you REFUSE to acknowledge that the BIBLE is therefore IN ERROR, because there is no 'logical' explanation to get past those conflicts.

What evidence do you have to support your assertation that the above mentioned scholars are blinded?

I would say first off that conflicts are put into the text, and many such in the Gospels PRECISELY to get the 'students' of the Word and the Spirit to observe them, as I did, seeking to understand 'why' and to have God Bring the answer. But to others, the doors of understandings to them will remain FIRMLY LOCKED. No 'man' will be able to OPEN them. It is only The Lord who will bring to LIGHT. If you have no interest in WORD/SPIRIT Light, what I write will remain a mystery to the viewer, and I'm OK with that and expect the blind to not see and to mock. This too is a sign that is actually sent by God to confirm the understandings.
Often when Jesus walked, the DEMONS would cry out of men. There is your lesson for those who desire to FOLLOW HIM. You might observe what happened to Jesus and expect the same. If not, well...not following would be the observation.

You do realize that such a claim lacks a base or foundation to stand on don't you? In addition, can you not see how arrogant, condescending, and self-righteous you sound?

I'm going to make this dissection quick.

There is a principle involved in handling the Word. It is as sure as the ground under my feet. Yet neither feet nor ground can compare to it as they are UNseen matters. Matters of the Spirit pitted against the workings of the anti-Christ spirits. If you do not believe that such evil spirits exist, you have no room for discussions with me as you are factually spiritually blinded by same.

So it's okay for you to set the rules and rig the game so that you (no matter how outlandish, unrealistic, or absurd your ideas may be), will always be right?

IN the accounts of the Gospels there is one account, the account of a man possessed with such spirits of the EVIL kind. And in typical fashion those spirits in that man compelled the man to throw himself before the feet of Jesus IN FEAR. Yes, these spirits have great reason to fear. They ARE going to be utterly destroyed.

The account is listed by 3 writers. I could write 'why' John didn't write about the account but it would be meaningless to most readers.

The account in brief is written by Matthew, Mark and Luke.

I am going to focus on only one aspect of this encounter. You will find some blindmen actually say it is two or 3 different accounts because they all vary in their details, but it is ONLY one account written and detailed PRECISELY by THE HOLY SPIRIT in those writers in painstakingly meticulous fashions in their variations.

In brief, Matthew describes the encounter with TWO MEN...they being of the GERGESENES. Gergesenes translates as 'dweller on clayey soil.' If you know your textual construct, you know that mans body is DUST...it is also CLAY as in A POT, WET DUST. Even CLAY.

Got that? Two men, dweller on clayey soil.

Mark and Luke however describe the man accurately. A man, singular, but with an evil spirit in the case of Mark and in Lukes depiction a man with DEVILS plural, meaning many. They also describe the 'man' singular as being from the GADARENES.

Yes, on the surface these accounts are VERY much in conflict.

It was when I took it 'personally' to be a FACT that where the Word is sown, Satan enters immediately to steal and no longer LIED to myself about this fact happening to me that God opened up my understanding of this matter and many others. .Because the WORD does deal with entities UNSEEN. But the person engaging the Word must have GOD instill HONESTY in them on this fact before they will EVER see. Otherwise the door of understanding is and WILL REMAIN LOCKED to such and for precise purposes

Magic decoder ring alert!

We all know that Jesus CAST OUT LEGION from that man, who then returned to his 'right' mind.

The meaning of Gadarenes...?

REWARD AT THE END.

Some will see and be amazed. Others will read and not have ONE CLUE. No, not ONE CLUE.

Color me clueless.......

I only wish someone would have shared this fact with me before the 20 years. I hope other children of God will find benefit with the breaking of His Bread, therefore I distribute.

You see the answer was always right there in front of my own eyes. I just was NOT LED to see it. And you can search this entire earth and all the history of commentary and NOT ONCE will you find this answer. No, not ONCE.

To be a Dr. of Theology one must have a provable original thesis. This one is certainly a qualifier. But I wouldn't trade what I have for all the knowledge of all the doctors and scholars in the world. What they have is meaningless to me.

Will you elaborate and clarify the "answer" that you have come up with specifically so that it can be readily understood by those to which you are attempting to explain it. Before you go all "you must have eyes to see", let me just asume that you have said eyes and therefore it is incumbent upon you to paint the picture to us blind folks of what sight it is that you have been priviledged to witness meaning we need no "spiritual eyes" since you already have them and can thus act as a tanslator for us less endowed spiritually impoverished students of the Bible.

 

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WOW! "God gave it to you huh smaller? Interesting that God has "given" others differing understandings. What makes yours superior to otherss that make similar claims who believe to have been influenced by God's Spirit just as much if not moreso than you? Perhaps your "magic decoder ring" is more powerful than ours?

You are welcome to both measure and view the content anyway you please.

The information was always there anyway.

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Knock off the personal attacks