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Secular Music a sin?

"The ultimate disproof of this rejection of prominent rhythm is that Hebrew worship was lively and had rhythm that obviously does not fit into the narrow metrical system of classic church music. In fact, it was closer to rock rhythm, complete with the much criticized repetition. (Take songs like "Jehovah Jireh", "Havilah Hava", and the rest of mid-eastern music.) The Lion Encyclopedia of the Bible,*p. 191 says "And the music seems to have been strongly rhythmic rather than melodic, although there were set tunes to some of the psalms."
~http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?http://www.erictb.info/ccm.html
 
I still listen to secular music from the Four Tops to Grand Funk to Led Zepplin to Soundgarden to Alice-N-Chains to Patsy Cline to Placido to Mahavishnu Orchestra and all Gospel
 
questdriven said:
Basically I just don't think people should assume something simply because it's within the realm of possibility or simply because there's no way to disprove it.
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The pastor says he has the gift of discerning of spirits, and can spiritually discern demonic influence in some music.

However, you don't know this pastor, so I can understand why you wouldn't take his word for it.

May the Lord grant us wisdom. I know I can use more wisdom.

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. James 1:5 NIV
 
Edward said:
This tuning down profoundly affects our being even moreso than the lyrics. That's why you hear of riots at heavy metal concerts, but not at Classical concerts.
Yay Sarah Brightman...lol
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And yet many people who listen to metal also like classical.
 
Michael74 said:
The pastor says he has the gift of discerning of spirits, and can spiritually discern demonic influence in some music.

However, you don't know this pastor, so I can understand why you wouldn't take his word for it.

May the Lord grant us wisdom. I know I can use more wisdom.

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. James 1:5 NIV
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I see. That's rather relative and may be good for him and those who are inclined to trust him, but someone who does not it's not going to be the same. Well, I'm not going to make judgments about someone I don't know.

For myself, having grown up in a household/church where anything but "traditional music" was evil, I'm pretty familiar with these sorts of claims. Since I no longer agree with my family and childhood church on that issue and learned that much of what I used to believe because they said so was so far off base and based on assumptions rather than facts, I am inclined to be critical.
 
questdriven said:
For myself, having grown up in a household/church where anything but "traditional music" was evil, I'm pretty familiar with these sorts of claims. Since I no longer agree with my family and childhood church on that issue and learned that much of what I used to believe because they said so was so far off base and based on assumptions rather than facts, I am inclined to be critical.
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:eek :shock :pray
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
Tuning forks?
That's new age.
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Radar for cops speed guns are tuned to check accuracy.the vibrations of the forks will get a speed of whatever the fork is designed for.they also produce sounds. 80mph is almost out of our hearing range,while 30mph is very low,and at the low end of the spectrum
 
questdriven said:
"The ultimate disproof of this rejection of prominent rhythm is that Hebrew worship was lively and had rhythm that obviously does not fit into the narrow metrical system of classic church music. In fact, it was closer to rock rhythm, complete with the much criticized repetition. (Take songs like "Jehovah Jireh", "Havilah Hava", and the rest of mid-eastern music.) The Lion Encyclopedia of the Bible,*p. 191 says "And the music seems to have been strongly rhythmic rather than melodic, although there were set tunes to some of the psalms."
~http://www.deviantart.com/users/outgoing?http://www.erictb.info/ccm.html
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Duh.yes hebrew music is very loud.
 
questdriven said:
Well, my avatar probably makes it pretty clear that I do watch and listen to secular things.

If you ask me? The use of the word "secular" is unnecessary. There is just music. Music can have a Christian message or it can exist just for the joy of music or for the joy of something in life. Unless you want to argue that Canon in D is evil because it's not specifically Christian and therefore I should not play it on the piano? (I love Canon in D.)
Music with wrong messages and attitudes exist, too, and certainly those should be avoided. But a lot of music out there is harmless.
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This issue every Christ follower is there are two and only two direction in life. One direction leads to Heaven and the opposite direction, the only other way to travel on the street of life, leads to Hell. If we draw the breath of life into our life giving lungs, we are not standing still, it is impossible to stand immobile because the street of life is unlike any other, it is constantly moving toward Hell and to avoid that destination I and you must continually struggle toward Heaven and that little, ever so small, gate at the one end of the street of life.

We, humans, must either struggle toward Jesus or we move toward Hell.
 
Do Not Love the World
1 John 2:15 (NASB)

15Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

Ecclesiastes 7:5 (NASB)

5 It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man
Than for one to listen to the song of fools.
 
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Eora said:
And yet many people who listen to metal also like classical.
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Yeah that's sorta weird huh? I think that has to do with the individual and the state of their heart. When we get accustomed to something, we develop an affinity for it, and it grows on us. It changes us and becomes easier to listen to.

The long term effects are largely unknown to us, but they may be significant, so...choosing your music wisely would be something we want to do.

I've noticed that music can effect people differently. Because the people are different. Perhaps we could liken it to a recipe for soup or whatever. Add some of this spice, that spice, (music) and it affects the whole pot. Good or bad.
Remember that Cherokee tale about the two wolves within us? The one you feed, is the one which will win.
Music is food for one of them.
 
Does anyone know anything about the purported 'lost chord' of music??

The only thing I know about it, is that Moody Blues did a In search of the lost chord album, but read something saying that it was real, that there is a lost chord.

What's that about??
 
jasonc said:
Riots were at woodstock,other music pre heavy metal music,let alone pre hard rock
Sheesh I should get out the radar tuning forks with the key ranges of some low range to high ranges .30mph is about a 8 inch fork while 80mph is three inches.just to see if I can suggest acts.genre isn't evil but the darn lyrics. Plums soft rock or rock song cut is sad but it's meant to bring attention to teenagers who cut
It also was the vampire diaries theme song.rhyme of the ancient mariner is written by a Christian poet.it's meant to teach about harming an innocent creature even though the albatross legend slash superstition isn't real.iron maiden also took biblical ideas and made songs about them,ie 666,not biblical but shoot how futurists see the mark and the ac is like how they sing it.hallowed by thy name is another.
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I never heard of riots at Woodstock 69. Now don't get me wrong and think I'm blaming everything on music because I'm not. When there's riots, there's other dynamics going on too.

You can't take just the right tuning fork and ding, make them do something. But it will have an effect. But place a crowd of people together, add a little mob mentality. (A real phenomenon BTW), some low music & dark lyrics and anything could happen.

I think when people gather, that their personal energy (spirit, chakra or whatever) comes together with others and is amplified into a larger energy field...(people have a natural electro-magnetic energy field)...and when that much power comes together, very very good things can happen, and very very bad things too.

You can easily test and feel this amplification of the energy field thing I'm talking about. Just go give your Wife a hug, and hold it for a moment while you focus your heart and all the love that you have onto Her.
:hug

Feel that, Brother? It's real. I believe that scripture speaks of this also, where it says '...when two or more are gathered in my name, there am I in their midst...' (that's a powerful scripture). Think of the implications!

Fellowship with Christian Brothers & Sisters at Church is prolly more important than we give it credit for.

Oh, riots. Umm yeah, negative energy mixed with violent hearts could easily start a riot.
And we're taught to be violent from birth basically, albeit with the just defensive flag, bah. It's still a violent seed, a potential. Waiting to be watered by the environment. Shall we go see Disturbed or Sarah Brightman tonight?!
 
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