Seed Sowing

[Classik]

Seed sowing

A relative of mine called the parents and said: I'm broke, send me some dough. The parents were surprised, saying to him, 'we already gave you some dough few days ago'.

The boy said: I bought this and I bought that. I also gave some money to a church (seed sowing thing).

The parents responded (the dad): :bigfrown 'You don't sow a seed (or give to a church) when you have nothing or little.

In other words the father encourages giving only when one has enough

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I thought about it and I laughed. I believe you give not only when you have. Giving when you only have is not really giving.


But how can a student give when he almost has nothing??? Can one really give when one has little???
I really like giving painfully (even if that is the last I have).

 

[Mitspa]

Seed sowing

A relative of mine called the parents and said: I'm broke, send me some dough. The parents were surprised, saying to him, 'we already gave you some dough few days ago'.

The boy said: I bought this and I bought that. I also gave some money to a church (seed sowing thing).

The parents responded (the dad): :bigfrown 'You don't sow a seed (or give to a church) when you have nothing or little.

In other words the father encourages giving only when one has enough

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I thought about it and I laughed. I believe you give not only when you have. Giving when you only have is not really giving.


But how can a student give when he almost has nothing??? Can one really give when one has little???
I really like giving painfully.

<dir>2Co 9:5



Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
2Co 9:6

But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7


Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9

(As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
2Co 9:10

Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness



In His Righteousness He supplies the seed, we must plant in faith, not from fear or a sense of religious duty. If we sow His seed, not ours, then we are blessed, good measure, pressed down, running over!
The greed of the "church-leaders" by using the curse of the law to put fear in the heart of Gods poeple, is the error of Balaam IMO!


<dir>Jud 1:11



Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.


Balaam cursed Gods people for his own gain.
Also consider that Cain tried to offer back to God , that which God had cursed! Core did not believe in Gods promise, and tried to establish that which was not of Gods will.

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[whitestone]

Seed sowing

A relative of mine called the parents and said: I'm broke, send me some dough. The parents were surprised, saying to him, 'we already gave you some dough few days ago'.

The boy said: I bought this and I bought that. I also gave some money to a church (seed sowing thing).

The parents responded (the dad): :bigfrown 'You don't sow a seed (or give to a church) when you have nothing or little.

In other words the father encourages giving only when one has enough

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I thought about it and I laughed. I believe you give not only when you have. Giving when you only have is not really giving.


But how can a student give when he almost has nothing??? Can one really give when one has little???
I really like giving painfully (even if that is the last I have).

A point in this story is...it wasn't the student's money. When he/she earns their own then they are free to give whatever they want. You don't borrow money or beg money from others, even doting parents, and then give that away.

The "seed sowing thing" refers to much more than money. Seeds are or can be sown without money changing hands. And those seeds produce bountiful harvests.


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[handy]

I agree whitestone.... unless the person giving mom and dad's money was willing to live without until the Bank of Mom and Dad next scheduled payment, the person had no business giving the money. Go ahead and give the money, just don't ask mom and dad for more, that's all. The kid could have called mom and dad and said, "There's a terrific ministry, you should consider giving to it..."

But how can a student give when he almost has nothing???

Well, the way I did it, way way long ago... was I gave of my talents and of my time...not of somebody else's money. When the church door's were open, I was there. When they needed people to go knock on doors and share the gospel, I was there. I cleaned the church for free so they wouldn't have to pay anyone to do it, thus freeing more of the church's monies for ministry.... There are all kinds of ways to "sow seeds" that have nothing to do with money.

What we as Christians should always keep in mind is that the "seed" we want to yield fruit is the gospel... and the gospel is free to share.

Borrow from Bank of M&D in the first place... give all that away...OK
Borrow from Bank of M&D, give it all away and then call the parents for more? Not so much.

 

[Classik]

LOL..

 

[Classik]

He's just a student and I think it would be easier for him or for students to give monitary stuff than to do some of the things you mentioned. Perhaps they don't always have the time. [Are we saying that the money given to him still belongs to the parents?] :dunno He gave willlingly, didn't he?

 

[whitestone]

He's just a student and I think it would be easier for him or for students to give monitary stuff than to do some of the things you mentioned. Perhaps they don't always have the time. [Are we saying that the money given to him still belongs to the parents?] :dunno He gave willlingly, didn't he?

How easy would it be for him to simply sow seeds of God's truth with another person?


If he has time to give his parents money away then he has time to smile, shake hands and talk. And yes, I am saying the money given to him still belongs to the parents!

A few years ago on the TV show Everybody Loves Raymond, Ray's brother Robert was moping around because he couldn't afford to pay his bills. So, Ray and his wife decided to take money they had saved and give it to Robert. What did Robert do? Thanked them and then made reservations to take a cruise.

He thought about the money like you are. Once given to him it became his to do with as he pleased. Liberals think and vote like that and it is wrong.



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[handy]

No, the money the parents gave him belongs to him and he can give it to ministry or blow the whole lot of it on bubble gum... The issue isn't that he "willingly gave"... but that he asked the parents for more money. Unless his parents are vastly wealthy and have assured him that he can come to them for unlimited funds at any time... it was very rude to give the money that they thought would support him away and then ask them for more.

As for it being easier to give of time and talents rather than money... you bet it is... but one should have the money in the first place. Also, if we are to think about our service to the Lord as what is "easiest" (and what could be easier than to give money and then hit mom and dad up for more) then we are certainly cheap when it comes to giving back to Him who gave His all for us.

 

[Classik]

No, the money the parents gave him belongs to him and he can give it to ministry or blow the whole lot of it on bubble gum... The issue isn't that he "willingly gave"... but that he asked the parents for more money. Unless his parents are vastly wealthy and have assured him that he can come to them for unlimited funds at any time... it was very rude to give the money that they thought would support him away and then ask them for more.

As for it being easier to give of time and talents rather than money... you bet it is... but one should have the money in the first place. Also, if we are to think about our service to the Lord as what is "easiest" (and what could be easier than to give money and then hit mom and dad up for more) then we are certainly cheap when it comes to giving back to Him who gave His all for us.

Wow! Wisdom and knowledge!

 

[eduardo]

Money as a seed sower? I'm not too sure if money matters as much as we think. Our churches are given plenty of support for the most part but people are still hurting. Its always an issue of not enough money compared to not enough food, shelter, good education, etc. What if the kid was given wisdom instead of money from the parents? Which would've been more profitable? There seems to be a dollar sign on all giving as the most needed. I beg to differ. Its what money buys (natural substances) that God has already given. Consider that in the days to come we will be expected as believers to let it all go for sake of receiving the mark of the beast. At that time money will be of little importance compared to our salvation. Will you give up all you have worked for if you're still here when that happens? Then the giving will be the need of natural substances for our body's and we can't eat money or drink it. How will the believers who did'nt take the mark live then without political resourses? A true test of faith I say is to NOT be worldly but to depend always on Gods word to survive. And I say to you that I had money but I was not surviving because the price tag on living kept getting higher and higher and its was killing me trying to keep up. I started to really survive when I downsized my lifestyle to inexpensive assets. Then when I gave, it was directly to people who really needed it. Give twenty dollars to a church and five dollars will go to charity. The rest will pay bills and new suits for the pastor as well as cars, mansions, luxury travels, etc. While they make millions in some cases the givers who had very little still struggle. I believe God does favor a cheerful giver but does our bible say give specifically to the church or the people in true need? I got more out of giving to a homeless person then I did a church. They were straving, the church was fattened.