Seeking the Lord’s Counsel

[elijah23]

It is not good enough to just read the Bible. One must also seek the counsel of the living Lord. One must pray constantly (1 Thess 5:17).

 

[Hitch]

And remember to breathe in and out.

 

[elijah23]

And remember to breathe in and out.

I keep forgetting to breathe in and out.

 

[smaller]

It is not good enough to just read the Bible. One must also seek the counsel of the living Lord. One must pray constantly (1 Thess 5:17).

Many of my charismatic friends still abide in following and listening to the supposed 'still small voice' in their minds they 'thought' was the Lord.

Over the years I observed that voice to be deceptive in them. Though they 'thought' is was God speaking to them, it was most often quite the opposite.

Following voices in ones head will often prove to be a form of mental idol forming. What that mental voice, that idol of concoction of the imagination often says is 'you are justified' 'complete' 'whole' and everyone else who doesn't listen to 'what' that voice is telling you is wrong.

The measure of internal revelation or 'small voices' is having the Word itself 'revealed' or vivified. Brought to life by His Spirit. Without His Spirit, the Word is dead letter and sealed so it can not be discovered. Small voices in ones head must pass the same sniff test. Small voices in the heads of believing mothers sometimes lead them to kill their own children. Perhaps to spare them from making decisions that will land them in hell as adults. Perhaps just to justify ditching them permanently to run off with an illicit lover.

There are many such voices and yes, 'in believers' many of whom happen to get waylaid by that activity in them.

Happens more than we'd like to think.

Paul when in his blinded state of Saul thought he too was being 'obedient' to the Word and to his religious traditions, and as it was practiced amongst his peers, it certainly was.

He found out later he was in fact very wrong when he thought he was very right. What he thought was right by the Word was certainly not right in Spirit. And God showed him how this was so 'in him.'

Paul certainly describes vividly what happens to people in many places in his writings. I find Paul to be exceptionally honest about his own condition, our mutual adversaries, how to walk victoriously, etc etc.

I don't find Paul or John or any other writer to sanction following little voices in our heads without testing them.

There are measures to test provided.

The Voice of God has already Spoken. We all seem to have a hard enough time finding understandings in that Speaking/Recorded Word, yet alone following voices in our heads.

Personally I grew weary of the Pharisee mindset always basking in self justifications. Always thinking my positions right and others wrong. My first mark anymore is to start and assume the thought processes from a position of being wrong and working things out from that fact.

Paul died daily for scriptural reasons.

It's much safer ground. Dead men are less apt to tell their own tales.

Were the Pope (just an example, don't PANIC RCC members) to start his 'infallible' speakings by admitting as Paul, that evil was present with him, both the absurdity of the seat and his factual condition would be openly and TRUTHFULLY demonstrated...but of course that will NEVER happen in most religious settings.

Religion tends to sell us the 'you're totally safe and clean and absolved' and 'in' for the 'heaven fix.' I just can't buy that, knowing that evil present within any of us is NOT going to be slipping through the Pearly Gates. I found this out factually when after 'confession, contrition, repentance, absolution' formulas quickly gave way to TEMPTING THOUGHTS about the minute I walked away from the whole of the events. At that point of realization I was 'forced' to get real about the lawlessness I carried and WHY it seemed to be 'ever so.' I found out I was 'not alone' there in my own head.

Therein I believe a believer is truthful about himself, his 'own' enemies and sin, and won't be deceived about 'evil present' within them, which is more than likely the source of 'little voices therein.

If there is a truthful voice, it will be a voice that tells you first of your factual condition. That quickly leads us away from leaning to ourselves and the little voices in our heads.

s

 

[elijah23]

Many of my charismatic friends still abide in following and listening to the supposed 'still small voice' in their minds they 'thought' was the Lord.

Over the years I observed that voice to be deceptive in them. Though they 'thought' is was God speaking to them, it was most often quite the opposite.

Following voices in ones head will often prove to be a form of mental idol forming. What that mental voice, that idol of concoction of the imagination often says is 'you are justified' 'complete' 'whole' and everyone else who doesn't listen to 'what' that voice is telling you is wrong.

The measure of internal revelation or 'small voices' is having the Word itself 'revealed' or vivified. Brought to life by His Spirit. Without His Spirit, the Word is dead letter and sealed so it can not be discovered. Small voices in ones head must pass the same sniff test. Small voices in the heads of believing mothers sometimes lead them to kill their own children. Perhaps to spare them from making decisions that will land them in hell as adults. Perhaps just to justify ditching them permanently to run off with an illicit lover.

There are many such voices and yes, 'in believers' many of whom happen to get waylaid by that activity in them.

Happens more than we'd like to think.

Paul when in his blinded state of Saul thought he too was being 'obedient' to the Word and to his religious traditions, and as it was practiced amongst his peers, it certainly was.

He found out later he was in fact very wrong when he thought he was very right. What he thought was right by the Word was certainly not right in Spirit. And God showed him how this was so 'in him.'

Paul certainly describes vividly what happens to people in many places in his writings. I find Paul to be exceptionally honest about his own condition, our mutual adversaries, how to walk victoriously, etc etc.

I don't find Paul or John or any other writer to sanction following little voices in our heads without testing them.

There are measures to test provided.

The Voice of God has already Spoken. We all seem to have a hard enough time finding understandings in that Speaking/Recorded Word, yet alone following voices in our heads.

Personally I grew weary of the Pharisee mindset always basking in self justifications. Always thinking my positions right and others wrong. My first mark anymore is to start and assume the thought processes from a position of being wrong and working things out from that fact.

Paul died daily for scriptural reasons.

It's much safer ground. Dead men are less apt to tell their own tales.

Were the Pope (just an example, don't PANIC RCC members) to start his 'infallible' speakings by admitting as Paul, that evil was present with him, both the absurdity of the seat and his factual condition would be openly and TRUTHFULLY demonstrated...but of course that will NEVER happen in most religious settings.

Religion tends to sell us the 'you're totally safe and clean and absolved' and 'in' for the 'heaven fix.' I just can't buy that, knowing that evil present within any of us is NOT going to be slipping through the Pearly Gates. I found this out factually when after 'confession, contrition, repentance, absolution' formulas quickly gave way to TEMPTING THOUGHTS about the minute I walked away from the whole of the events. At that point of realization I was 'forced' to get real about the lawlessness I carried and WHY it seemed to be 'ever so.' I found out I was 'not alone' there in my own head.

Therein I believe a believer is truthful about himself, his 'own' enemies and sin, and won't be deceived about 'evil present' within them, which is more than likely the source of 'little voices therein.

If there is a truthful voice, it will be a voice that tells you first of your factual condition. That quickly leads us away from leaning to ourselves and the little voices in our heads.

s

It is necessary to develop a personal relationship with the Lord:

[34] But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sad'ducees, they came together.
[35] And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment." Matt 22:34-38 RSV

Pray constantly. 1 Thess 5:17 RSV

This has nothing to do with charismatics. What is a charismatic? Sounds like someone I'd want to avoid.

 

[smaller]

It is necessary to develop a personal relationship with the Lord:

I might believe that God probably has better things to do than to listen to my constant prattling. If I believe God in Christ to be with me and in me He knows what's going on, and probably before I do. If you know that God in Christ is with you, He is involved in the process of commune/prayer 'constantly' by virtue of 'being there' in you and with you in the process of thoughts.

I've seen believers pray about decisions and directions, move on what they 'thought' was The Lord directives and then see them fall flat on their faces and have their lives wrecked.

In the end they were perhaps only asking the Lord to verify their own blinded desires and made a decision entirely on their own.

This has nothing to do with charismatics. What is a charismatic? Sounds like someone I'd want to avoid.

Charismatics? Usually fervent religious people who follow little voices in their heads and converse with same thinking it is The Lord. I certainly don't avoid same. I often get a kick out of their follies.

I know many 'believers' who are ex drug addicts, some just out of a jailhouse conversion, quickly proclaiming everyone to now believe like them or they'll go to hell.

I think maybe they should try to live a good life in their communities and engage with others in fair and honest fashions, and not worry so much about the people's fates whom they were just stealing from a few weeks prior. Twould be a much better witness.

s

 

[Classik]

And remember to breathe in and out.

I don't forget that part.

 

[elijah23]

I might believe that God probably has better things to do than to listen to my constant prattling. If I believe God in Christ to be with me and in me He knows what's going on, and probably before I do. If you know that God in Christ is with you, He is involved in the process of commune/prayer 'constantly' by virtue of 'being there' in you and with you in the process of thoughts.

I've seen believers pray about decisions and directions, move on what they 'thought' was The Lord directives and then see them fall flat on their faces and have their lives wrecked.

In the end they were perhaps only asking the Lord to verify their own blinded desires and made a decision entirely on their own.


Charismatics? Usually fervent religious people who follow little voices in their heads and converse with same thinking it is The Lord. I certainly don't avoid same. I often get a kick out of their follies.

I know many 'believers' who are ex drug addicts, some just out of a jailhouse conversion, quickly proclaiming everyone to now believe like them or they'll go to hell.

I think maybe they should try to live a good life in their communities and engage with others in fair and honest fashions, and not worry so much about the people's fates whom they were just stealing from a few weeks prior. Twould be a much better witness.

s

The great and first commandment is to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls. It is a blessing.

 

[jasoncran]

The great and first commandment is to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls. It is a blessing.

you do realise that the Law and the only way to repent then was the torah? that jesus hadnt died yet and was correcting bad jewish pharisitical practices and also settup his death by doing that and also teach things contrary to the laws.

while the first and second commandments are good to know., its faith in christ and while that must include love , you cant love the lord like that without him doing it in you.

the law is in the hearts of men now.

when jesus said that he was saying that if you love that lord and your neighbor you will easily follow the law as you want to please the lord.

that is an example of correcting the pharisees once again.

and others as well.
http://studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=mt&chapter=022

long read but is says what i said in a long version.

and i am not implying we can sin or ignore the law, but if we love the lord we not tend to do those thing contrary to that.

we love what he loves and hate what he hate, and when we fail we need to remind ourselves of that and ask for the changed heart to do just that.