Seriously, what is the best way to win the lost?

[Chopper]

There were times my dad did not get paid ..

I love to hear about your Dad. I think we thought alike. After I left the organized church and started a church thru my home Bible study, we ended up with 65 people. I refused a salary so that the free will offerings went back into the members needs. Winter meant heating oil for the poorer folk. car repairs sometimes. There were always needs that those offerings were used for instead of my salary.

 

[Lee2000]

Hi

every opportunity is a great way to share the good news home, work, TV, internet, movies, fellowships, shops, events, public transport, BBQs, etc

but remember decisions and discipleship go hand in hand like

we needed to get saved
we got saved and
and we are yet to be saved

and make it to heaven because we can still back slide or fall away

its ironic even in 2017 fellowships and Christians always discuss salvation and saving people

but there's little or no discussion on disciplining people after they make a decision for Jesus

I believe this is the main reason why people struggle in there faith or are lukewarm

i have heard 2 statistics 1-2% of Christians in the body of Christ would actually make it to heaven if they died or Jesus came back

that may seem low but its better then the other statistic 1 in a 1000

so according to the 1-2% statistic a fellowship of 10.000 means only 100-200 people might make it to heaven, but its better then 10 out of 10,000

this would mean 98-99 percent of the Christians worldwide are lukewarm or not repenting of certain sins including myself

so its import we use every opportunity to share the good news and disciple people

behold,II send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves Mathew 10.16

Peace

 

[civilwarbuff]

I guess it depends on the church. I dont think Joel is complaining. Hes loving it.

It would be interesting to know if big mega church Pastors ever speak to there members personally, or there more like a famous rocks star who goes back stage and sneaks out the back door dont want to deal with everyones problems. Genuine question, im interest to know. I wonder how many people acturally meet there pastor. I mean sure if they got 30,000 people they can't meet everyone, but do they still meet a few after service or just gap it.

Regardless of what Joel claims he is no more a pastor than I am........sort of like "Dr" Phil who is no more a doctor than I am. Both are just feel good showmen making a buck.

 

[Chopper]

Hi

every opportunity is a great way to share the good news home, work, TV, internet, movies, fellowships, shops, events, public transport, BBQs, etc

but remember decisions and discipleship go hand in hand like

we needed to get saved
we got saved and
and we are yet to be saved

and make it to heaven because we can still back slide or fall away

its ironic even in 2017 fellowships and Christians always discuss salvation and saving people

but there's little or no discussion on disciplining people after they make a decision for Jesus

I believe this is the main reason why people struggle in there faith or are lukewarm

i have heard 2 statistics 1-2% of Christians in the body of Christ would actually be make it to heaven if they died or Jesus came back

that may seem low but its better then the other statistic 1 in a 1000

so according to the 1-2% statistic a fellowship of 10.000 means only 100-200 people might be make it to heaven, but its better rather then 10 out of 10,000

this would mean 98-99 percent of the Christians worldwide are lukewarm or not repenting of certain sins including myself

about 160,000 people die per day world wide that's a possible 1600-3200 may have a chance to make it to heaven

but we don't even know how many of the 160,000 are Christians and are walking properly

so its very important that when ever or where ever we are, that we use the chance or opportunity to plant and water seeds until they are ready to be harvested and then disciple them

behold,II send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves Mathew 10.16

Peace

What you have stated is sadly true and pathetic! It's great to be a soul winner, but greater to be a disciple'r.

 

[Chopper]

I like casual conversations. If I'm alert, I can guide any conversation into the spiritual. There was a Jewish artist from NY of whom I wanted to witness too. He had a Summer residence across the street from where I lived. For three years I mowed his lawn so that when he came for the Summer, it wasn't a jungle.

He appreciated that so much that he invited me over many times for tea and conversation. He told me that I was the first Pastor that treated him like I loved him, All the others simply told him he was going to hell if he didn't accept Jesus as Messiah. We had a great relationship. He even let his teenage Daughter come to our worship services.
I was able to share some of the Gospel to him.

One of the ways that I witness to the unsaved is to treat them with love and actions. Once in Vienna, Maine a truck driver hurt his back and couldn't finish shingling his roof. His Wife and 3 Daughters came to the church that I was the Pastor. One Sunday afternoon, after the service, I put on old cloth's and shingled the rest of his roof. He could not believe that a Pastor would do that and as a result, came to the Christ Who had me shingle his roof. To this day, he loves Jesus.

 

[Mike]

This is not in response to the last post by Chopper, which was great. To all participants, this discussion quickly got off track by talk of pastors' salaries, and too much was made of that. Let's keep this focused on the question posed by the OP.