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Seventh-Day Adventism - Orthodox or Cult?

THE FALSE PROPHET AND IMAGE OF THE BEAST
OF REVELATION

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The false prophet is mentioned as such, 3 times in the book of Revelation.

Rev 16:13 (KJV) "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."

Rev 19:20 (KJV) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev 20:10 (KJV) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

The beast, as I have shown previously, is the Papacy or Roman Catholic Church. Revelation 19:20 is the key to identifying who the false prophet is. Here it associates the false prophet with miracles performed for the beast. This is a link to Rev 13:11-14 where the same miracles are performed by a second beast with two horns like a lamb, that speaks like a dragon. So this second lamb-like beast is also the false prophet.
Now to identify just who the false prophet is, we need to look at Rev 13:10, which will give us a time hack-

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

This is a reference to Pope Pius VI being held captive in jail by Napoleon in 1798 where he died as a prisoner. The Roman Catholic Church was broken as a political power at that time. This is the head wound to the first beast or Papacy spoken of in Rev 13:3-
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This head wound to the political power of the Papacy was healed in 1929 when Italy's Benito Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with the Pope, establishing the Vatican as a City State with full diplomatic rights. Newspapers at the time proclaimed the "wound" to the Vatican and the papacy to be healed.
It is immediately following the time hack of Rev 13:10, which we have established as 1798, that a second beast, lamb-like in appearence, comes to power on the world scene-

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

The second beast comes up as a lamb (a nation that professes to be Christian) from the land. Note the first beast came from the sea. The sea represents a multitude of people (Rev 17:15). So the first beast arises from a densely populated area, Europe. The second beast, however arises from a sparsely populated area, since it arises from the land and not the sea.
The beast from the sea had crowns on it's horns, a symbol of kingly absolute authority, but the second lamb-like beast has no crowns- it is a democracy!

This exactly describes the United States arriving on the world scene as a world power to reckon with in the early 1800's. It began as a democratic Christian nation, and rose to power on the world scene immediately following the apparent demise of Roman Catholic Church in 1798.

Rev 13:12 And he (the lamb-like beast) exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Verse 12 is saying that the United States will combine Church and State and strictly enforce apostate Catholic religious doctrine, just like the Roman Catholic church did in the middle ages! Yes! The current effort on the part of evangelical Christians to "take back America" will succeed!

In Verse 13 it shows us that this revival of Church and State in the U.S. will be accompanied by great wonders (miracles). The fire coming down from heaven is a deceiving miracle, a false wonder, that may well refer to a counterfeit outpouring of the Holy Spirit! Already today a false manifestation of tongues, holy laughter etc. is sweeping churches in North America!

In verse 14 the lamb-like beast (the United States) promotes an image to the first beast (the Roman Catholic Church). When it says "an image to the (first) beast", it means that the apostate Protestant movement in the United States will encourage the establishment of Church/State power, and legislate it's religious agenda on everyone. It will be the mirror "image" of the satanic practices, policies and persecutions of the Roman Catholic Church of the Middle Ages.

So using false miracles as proof of it's authority, the apostate Protestant church in the United States will take control of the government and pass religious legislation to enforce it's agenda, and it will promote false Catholic doctrines. What false doctrines, you might ask?

1. When you are dead, you are not dead. Your conscious self or spirit waits at some bus stop (purgatory) between here and heaven. Here you are free to listen to the prayers of the living and forward these petitions for grace to Mary or Jesus.
- They cannot accept that the wages of sin is death. Death includes the loss of any consciousness of the mind. Those who are dead hear nothing and can do nothing, for themselves or anyone else.

2. Salvation is obtained through ministers or priests of the church. They have a bank account with Jesus and can dispense grace or forgiveness to those they favor. Conversely, they can cut off your source of forgiveness if you do not accept their unscriptural traditions.
- No church can dispense or withhold forgiveness, forgiveness is yours from God through faith.

3. They worship on a day chosen by a pagan emperor of Rome, Sunday, although there is absolutely NO scriptural evidence that Jesus commanded such a change in the Ten Commandments.
- The Sabbath is Saturday without question. It is a memorial to Jesus the Creator, who worked six days and rested on the seventh. To worship on any other day is to reject the Creator, reject God, reject Jesus. Whom do you worship if you reject the 10 commandments of God?

4. We are saved by good works. God is keeping track of everything we do and the sum total of our good works better add up to a bigger number than our sins. Even "good" people who have rejected Jesus, will by this logic, have a chance so long as their good works total is high enough.
- Your works amount to nothing without faith. By the same token, faith without works is a dead faith.

So the False Prophet is in fact, apostate Protestantism based in the United States. How do you recognize apostate religion? Try the following additional indicators, note that they are accompanied by a serious lack of meaningful scriptural study.

A. Theology that preaches that God is a loving God and most people will be saved if only they will just be good people. You will see a lot of country and western style gospel singers, a lot of praising Jesus and binding Satan, collecting the tithe, but precious little scripture study, and what little there is, is very shallow.

B. The happy Christian, it is O.K. to be rich, send us your seed money today and you will get it back 1000 fold, kind of religion. A primary focus on God rewarding his followers with earthly riches. If only you will send in your love gift, God will reward you financially. And by the way, we have some neat things to send you if you contribute today- (mostly tapes, books, plaques, glasses, sculptures, lifetime memberships, get your name engraved on the churches top givers plaque, etc.) You could almost call it the Christian Shopping Network. Did Jesus sell *anything* during His ministry? No- what He offered was not for sale, it was FREE!

C. A focus on miracle healing of the sick, prayer requests and again endless pleas for donations, just to stay on the air.

D. A mission of building a TV or Radio station empire, from which there is little or no bible study, just more pleas for cash during long telethons, and praising Jesus. Usually broadcast from multi-million dollar lavish studios with lots of expensive decorations.

E. A primary reliance on speaking in tongues or other manifestations of the Holy Spirit to prove just how blessed of God they are. The fact that there is complete chaos and/or absolutely no interpreting of what is said in tongues, so that it can be checked against scripture, should be a warning sign-

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

F. Study of early Christian documents that "shed light" on what you should really know about Christianity. The Didache and the books of the Apocrypha, are examples. Limit yourself to the Bible for what you should believe. Everything you need for salvation is in it. Nothing needs to be added.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

G. Strong political activism to enforce "Christian standards" on the ungodly. I would remind you that Jesus did not endorse political candidates, protest government policy, run for office, or advocate political force. Jesus does not force anyone to do anything. We all have free choice to make our own decisions. The battle of evangelism will not be won from public office or the courtroom, but with the true word of God, scripture.
Some would consider such criticism to be hurtful, divisive, and lacking in Christian spirit. I would remind you I am describing the False Prophet to you. Following him and his superficial form of religion will result in the lake of fire! Many will fall into this enticing trap. Here is proof:

Mat 7:21 (KJV) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Mat 7:22 (KJV) "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

Mat 25:11 (KJV) "Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us."

Luke 6:46 (KJV) "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

Luke 13:25 (KJV) "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:"

These verses say that many, at the time of judgment, will call on Jesus name. They will claim to know him, claim to have performed miracles in his name, claim to have prophesied his coming, claim to have done many wonderful things in his name, and Jesus will reject them! Why? Because they were false prophets who did not know the truths of the Bible and did not follow his commandments. They led people astray and taught only what suited them and their pursuit of earthly gain and riches. God rejects them and their followers. Their numbers are many as Mat 7:22 states. Many think they are saved and are deceived!
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Read all the verses quoted in their full context. Study them. The Bible has what you need to know. If you seek only the truth, and admit that there is nothing you can do to save yourself, and are willing to follow the truth anywhere it leads, you will open yourself to the Holy Spirit. He will guide you to know the truth, the way, and the light from scripture.

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Ok, Ok... Time out.

Two things

1- the posts here are WAY too long. Lets keep them a reasonable size so people may actually read them. I didn't because of the length. Also, be aware of font sizes.

9 - Please keep posts down to a respectable length and provide source and/or links for your info. We want to respect copyrighted material. Refrain from all caps and bold, large fonts....

2- N.B., the post above, the one on the Beast, why is it posted here? Shouldn't it be in the End Times Forum? I will move it there if that's where it's supposed to be.
 
ONE FINAL BIT OF PROOF OF THE "GOOD FRUITS" OF E.G. WHITE FOLLOWERS!

NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC PROCLAIMS SDAS TO BE THE LONGEST LIVING PEOPLE ON EARTH!


The cover story of the November 2005 issue of 'National Geographic Magazine'[qv] discusses the longevity of Adventists, four to ten years longer than non-Adventists. Adventists, along with natives of Okinawa and Sardinia, are the longest-lived people in the world, a trait which has been attributed to health practices as well as the weekly Sabbath as a stress reducer.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-da ... _sexuality
 
Soma-Sight said:
ONE FINAL BIT OF PROOF OF THE "GOOD FRUITS" OF E.G. WHITE FOLLOWERS!

NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC PROCLAIMS SDAS TO BE THE LONGEST LIVING PEOPLE ON EARTH!


The cover story of the November 2005 issue of 'National Geographic Magazine'[qv] discusses the longevity of Adventists, four to ten years longer than non-Adventists. Adventists, along with natives of Okinawa and Sardinia, are the longest-lived people in the world, a trait which has been attributed to health practices as well as the weekly Sabbath as a stress reducer.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-da ... _sexuality

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Some of them go back to the day of Noah, huh? :fadein: You know, the closed door of the Ark, & Matthew 25:10's closed door repeat?
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OH, and Vic, I posted that up for what we hear ones calling EGW doctrine?? If it is Adventist Doctrine, perhaps some do not know what the difference is? Did you not read the long cut & past from Solo? If you think that it needs moving, just accept my :oops: OK? :wink:

---John
 
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