Sex Movie being show to 3rd Graders

[Relic]

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:o A controversial sex education movie
entitled "That's a Family"
is being shown to 3rd graders in some public schools. :o

The movie is being endorsed by many liberals psychologists, movie stars, politicians and liberal religious leaders who are pro homosexual advocates. This movie teaches children that a family is not just heterosexual but also can consist of homosexual parents and promotes the notion that homosexuality is a normal thing. It also teaches that homosexual realtionships are normal. In my opinion, this movie does nothing but promote homosexuality to young children. I believe the objective of this promotion is to desensitize our younger generation to homosexuality as if it is normal. This movie intrudes on the moral beliefs of many. Teaching children about homosexuality as being a normal lifestyle is not up to the schools. If a parent prefers their children to not agree with the homosexual lifestyle that is up the the parents not the schools! 8 year old children in 3rd grade is too young to be showing these children homosexual behaviors! If I prefer to protect my child from what types of perversions people are engaged in I don't expect the schools to be introducing my child to sexual anything! Especially at that young age!!!!!!

Here is the link that shows which "liberals" are endorsing this movie and what they are saying. That's a Family


Be well aware of what your public school is feeding into your child's mind!

You need to Speak Out Against This Form Of Desensitizing Children our younger generation to sin!

What are the schools are doing without notifying you? !!![/color]


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[Relic]

Pop Quiz: 20 Questions Parents Should Ask About Their Children's School
Current evidence shows that when parents are meaningfully involved their children's education greatly improves.
by Marc Fey

Current evidence shows that when parents are meaningfully involved in their children's education, scholastic achievement can greatly improve.

The most important reason to be actively involved in your children's school(s) is that you as a parent are responsible for your children's education. Current evidence shows that when parents are meaningfully involved in their children's education, scholastic achievement can greatly improve. According to the book The Evidence Continues to Grow, by Anne Henderson, the positive impact of parental involvement "is beyond dispute" (p. 1). "Programs designed with strong parental involvement produce students who perform better than otherwise identical programs that do not involve parents as thoroughly, or that do not involve them at all" (ibid.).

Christian parents should be involved because two critically different world views operate in the schools today. The Christian worldview, which states that God is supreme and the source of everything that is good, is directly opposed to the secular world view that man is the final authority and that man can overcome all social ills through education. Parents must monitor school programs to ensure that their values are not undermined.

The type of parental involvement that makes a positive difference in student achievement is more than "volunteering." While supporting the teacher by helping with school activities such as bake sales, holiday parties, or booster clubs is important, your concerns go deeper than this; and so should your involvement. Parents must become directly involved in their children's academic learning experience.

To help with parents with their involvement, a long-time teacher, Linda Page, has developed a paper discussing 20 questions that parents should ask their schools. To order call 1-800-AFAMILY and ask for Pop Quiz: 20 Questions Parents Should Ask about Their Children's School. The paper contains discussions about the following 20 questions.

1. How Involved Am I as a Parent?
2. How Good Is My Children's School?
3. What are the Best -- and Worst -- Teaching Strategies for My Children?
4. How Can Communication Be Improved among Parents, Teachers, and Administrators?
5. How Can I Talk To My Children about School?
6. How Can I Help My Children at Home with School Work?
7. How Can I Monitor My Children's Progress in School?
8. What Kind of Communications Should I Receive from the School?
9. When and How Should I Contact the Teacher?
10. What Do I Need to Know about Parent-Teacher Conferences?
Suggested Questions for Parent-Teacher Conferences
11. What Should I Look for When I Visit My Child's Classroom?
12. How Do I Become (and Stay) Informed about My Children's School? Back To School Night Checklist
13. What are the Roles and Responsibilities of School Personnel?
14. What Do I Need To Know about My Children's School Records? Questions for Reviewing School Records
15. What Rights Do I Have as a Parent?
16. What If I Have Concerns about Materials, Programs, or Policy?
17. What Can I Do on the Classroom Level If I Object to Materials?
18. How Can I Try To Change a School Policy with which I Don't Agree?
19. What Is Outcome Based Education (OBE) and What Should I Do If I Believe that My School Subscribes to It?
20. How Do I Get Involved in the Decision-Making Process at the School, District, and State Levels?

The key, claims Linda Page, is to stay well-informed about the educational program of your child. Though you may delegate the activity of educating to a school, you still need to know the answers to these questions:

* What skills and information are my children being taught in each subject?
* How much time is spent on core subjects? (such as reading, writing, math, science, history, etc.)
* Are solid, objective methods used to instruct my children?
* What textbooks and materials are used?
* What kinds of testing instruments are used?
* How can I be involved in a workable way in making decisions at my children's school?

Page also advises parents to become involved in decisions about curricula and textbooks. As parents become concerned about outcome based education, sex education, curricula which may undermine their values, and the importance of learning basic skills, there is a critical need for parental involvement in decision-making at the local school and district levels. Parents have the right and responsibility to be involved in the selection of textbooks, materials, and school programs. Ideally, they should go beyond supporting the teacher to becoming knowledgeable participants in making decisions about these important areas.

Involvement in key school issues may be difficult to achieve, since some teachers and administrators view parental involvement in curriculum and instruction as "meddling" or as "being a nuisance."
Some teachers and administrators assume that once the child comes to school, the responsibility for education belongs exclusively to them, and that parental involvement should be limited to support for their programs. Perhaps some educators have forgotten that parents are ultimately responsible for their children's education.


To order this paper call 1-800-AFAMILY and ask for Pop Quiz: 20 Questions Parents Should Ask about Their Children's School.

Marc Fey is with Focus' Community Impact Outreach.

source: http://www.family.org/socialissues/A000001125.cfm#

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[JohnR]

. In my opinion, this movie does nothing but promote homosexuality to young children.

The review would indicate that they are trying to do more.

THAT'S A FAMILY!, the first film that attempts to teach young audiences about family diversity, is narrated by children raised in nontraditional family structures, including divorced, adoptive, guardian, parents with drugs, multi-racial or -religious, disabled, and gay and lesbian-headed households.

I have a son who happens to be in the third grade. I am a American and his mother is Filipino, so our situation would be considered "mulit-racial" by some. Although we tend to be more "multi" cultural.

 

[Rick W]

Aw what the heck. Teach that sort of thing and other moral issues at school and learn reading, writing and arithmetic at home.
:roll:

Well, the goes mom and dad. They've alrighty wiped out Mr. and Mrs.

Man, those kids haven't even reached puberty yet.
They're starting them out early. Or earlier. Not long ago the target was 10 year olds.
So, when it comes to the question of consent then the kids should be well enough educated to decide for themselves? Should add some strength to the question, "Do kids have the right to decide for themselves what they should and should not do concerning their own bodies?".
Equal rights you know. Should bring the age of consent down to at least 12 or 13. I know some on other forums don't see any problems with 14 now anyway. And without parental consent or any parental interaction.

 

[Rick W]

Thing is, marriage has been so downgraded, the commintment nothing more than a mockery. that the solution is to disregard the family unit through marriage and slap a band-aid on the problem with, "Hey! It's all OK now!!" :smt026
Problem solved. No more worrying about the kids when divorce strikes or anything like that. It's taken care of.
"Love the one you're with!"
If whatever doesn't work out we got it covered.
"Love the one you're with!"

 

[Relic]

. In my opinion, this movie does nothing but promote homosexuality to young children.

The review would indicate that they are trying to do more.

JohnR,
Multi-cultural is not homosexual. There is nothing wrong with multi-cultural, but there is an ungodliness in homosexuality. Don't confuse the issue here.


You miss the fact that it is only liberals who gave their endorsement to this movie. NO conservative would ever approve of it. Because it endorses homosexuality.

I saw clips of it on the news this evening, and I don't want any school teaching my child or granchild that a homosexual couple is normal. It is one thing that two people of the same sex live together, but to teach children that homosexual relationships are normal is another. This movie teaches that same sex relationships are normal and show specific examples of same sex couples as being in sexual relationship with each other. I don't aprrove of teaching my 8 year old child or grandchild that pervertedness.

IF I want my children to learn about these "different" types of families at such a young age I will do it in the manner in which I deem appropriate. I don't want any liberals teaching my child their "opinions" about these families who are of the homosexual type as being "normal".

My God teaches me that homosexuality is an abomination, and I believe my God teaches me that for good reason, being there are many dire consequences to this type of practice, of which, the secular and liberals do not teach!
I do not want anyone in my family being taught that homosexuality is 'normal". It is an assult on those of us who believe heterosexuality is the only type of sexual relationship two human beings should be in IN a marriage.
I don't want any school teaching my child or my grandchildren that two people living together in a homosexual relationship is anything even close to a viable relationship, or inputting into my childs or grandchilds mind that homosexual who have been married by some liberal mayor as being acceptable in the eyes of God who created them.
I have my rights to believe what I want and I have my rights to teach my children and grandchildren those same beliefs. And I have rights to deny the school from teaching my children these things to them without my approval. Some of these schools are not notifying the parents of these children that this movie is being shown.


The schools already kicked God out. I don't expect them to teach my children or grandchildren ungodly values!

Christian parents need to pay attention to what is being fed to your children in the public school system.

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[Rick W]

It's like stuffing a bitter pill in ground meat to get the dog to swallow what he normally wouldn't swallow. And the ground meat isn't all that great either but it's better than a bitter pill.

 

[Relic]

Thing is, marriage has been so downgraded, the commintment nothing more than a mockery that the solution is to disregard the family unit through marriage and slap a band-aid on the problem with, "Hey! It's all OK now!!" :smt026
Problem solved. No more worrying about the kids when divorce strikes or anything like that. It's taken care of.
"Love the one you're with!"
If it doesn't work out we got it covered.
"Love the one you're with!"

nothing more than a mockery that the solution is to disregard the family unit

This is exactly what these anti-christ "ignorant" secular liberal people are trying to do! They want to erase the definition of sin as it is in the eyes of God. They want to make perversion as a thing deemed normal. : They want to eliminate all truth that protects us from what is truly evil. They are blindly "leading" our next generation into abominable sin. :
We need to stop them from perverting our next generation! They know that the younger the mind, the more easily it will be embedded into their way of being. We need to protect our children from such exposure when their minds are so very vulnerable to deceptions and perversions. It's bad enough that we have to closely monitor the music they listen to and turn the tv off to protect our children from all the garbage mouthed people on the tv, from all the oversexed images, from all the bloody images, from all the violence on the tv, at such a young age! It amazes me how parents don't even speak to their children about what is being placed in front of them by way of so called entertainment. And it amazes me how parents are not monitoring what they are being taught in school.


Isaiah 5:20
20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


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[christianbear]

:angel:
We live in a world that has the evil in it and we can't shelter our children. We have to show both the good and the evil and hope that they have the spirit to chose right. There are people out there that do believe in Christ and are gay. So we have to show our children that everyone has good and evil in them. If you don't show the children evil then they will not know how to act, when it comes their way.
:angel:

 

[starbyfar]

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:o A controversial sex education movie
entitled "That's a Family"
is being shown to 3rd graders in some public schools. :o

The movie is being endorsed by many liberals psychologists, movie stars, politicians and liberal religious leaders who are pro homosexual advocates. This movie teaches children that a family is not just heterosexual but also can consist of homosexual parents and promotes the notion that homosexuality is a normal thing. It also teaches that homosexual realtionships are normal. In my opinion, this movie does nothing but promote homosexuality to young children. I believe the objective of this promotion is to desensitize our younger generation to homosexuality as if it is normal. This movie intrudes on the moral beliefs of many. Teaching children about homosexuality as being a normal lifestyle is not up to the schools. If a parent prefers their children to not agree with the homosexual lifestyle that is up the the parents not the schools! 8 year old children in 3rd grade is too young to be showing these children homosexual behaviors! If I prefer to protect my child from what types of perversions people are engaged in I don't expect the schools to be introducing my child to sexual anything! Especially at that young age!!!!!!

Here is the link that shows which "liberals" are endorsing this movie and what they are saying. That's a Family


Be well aware of what your public school is feeding into your child's mind!

You need to Speak Out Against This Form Of Desensitizing Children our younger generation to sin!

What are the schools are doing without notifying you? !!![/color]


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do you honestly think that children are going to become homosexual because they're watching videos that tell them some families consist of 2 mommies or 2 daddies or that this is normal? it is normal!! gay people are everywhere! adopting, pressing for gay rights, parading through the streets? you think your kids dont know about this? you dont think they talk/joke about it in schools? you do realize that children are having sex as young as 3rd grade now a days?

lol desensitizing younger generation to sin.. teaching our children not to be homophobic or discriminatory toward gay people isnt desensitizing them to sin. do you let your child watch violence on tv? do they ever watch sinful plots on tv? do they hear swear words in action movies or anything of that nature? is that not also desensitizing them to sin? what doesnt desensitize our younger generation to sin? instead of trying to avoid the problem why dont you watch the program with your kid and discuss it afterwards?

honestly, i think a huge problem in america is censorship. ive been living in japan for the past 4 months and i tell you.. its a huge difference. cigarettes/alcohol are sold in vending machines, but do the youth buy from them? no, because no one makes a big deal out of it. nudity is all over the place in bath houses and things of that nature.. sex is spoken about openly, but is there a problem with teenage pregnancy or unwed mothers? not even close to the epidemic in america.. and japan is one of the most Godless places i've ever seen in my life! what is our Godly nation doing wrong??

and too, i hardly think the school would show this video without notifying you. to watch movies in school, there usually is a permission slip sent home, just like a permission slip is sent home for your kid to attend sex-ed.

 

[Relic]

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starbyfar,

You have totally warped the whole point of the OP. By resorting to the carnal minded type thinking and not considering the holy scripture in your reasonings shows where you are coming from. it is obvious you do not believe God, but would rather believe perverted man. This is a Christian forum. I presented what the "seculars" are pushing onto children regardless of their moral beliefs. And no, they don't always send home a note tot he parents as to what is being taught in these so called sex education classes. So then, who should be believed, the bible or your secular opinions ? Remember, this IS a Christian forum in which Christians come to go over issues in which we as "christians" agree upon or do not agree. Your secular opinion is in opposition to the Christian beliefs. Promoting homosexual relations is against the boards policies. So then, keeping that in mind, please do note that those eccentric remarks you made are out of line with biblical truths.

Also:


Desensitizing children to sin is to teach them it is okay to sin.
Protecting children from sin is to teach them it is NOT okay to sin.

There is the huge difference between protecting from sin as opposed to desensitizing someone to commit to perform sin.

Protecting children from sin does not in any way mean to not educate them as to what sin is. It is not up to the schools to teach my children that sin is okay!


By the way, not all schools send home a note about every movie they show to children. :-?
No school has any business teaching children that such behavior is okay or norma! It is NOT normal.

And NO, homosexuals are NOT all over the place. In reality, they are only 1- 2.3% of the population. I wouldn't say that 1-2.3% is all over the place. :roll: The only reason it appears that they there are "so many" of them is because they go about using the media so much to brag about their immoral behavior. They are a small group of the population that are trying to make perverse behavior as being normal. They pervert the truth and want others to accept perversion. They love their sin and want fool others into thinking it is an okay behavior.
The pedophiles want the same rights and so do the those who are into bestiality. One woman had a ceremony in which she married a snake.... does that make it normal? :o
If these other groups get their way, are the schools in some later time going to teach that anything goes? :-?
Making Homosexuality an unperverse act is just the tip of this monster of an iceberg. Homosexuality is not how God created human beings to behave. Homosexuality IS a behavior, it is NOT a gender.

Guaranteed, that any person who takes claim to being homosexual , the root cause of it can be found out and dealt with, be it biological or psychological reason, it can be corrected. The problem is that too many of these people do not face the truth but run from it and compound on the lies they lead themselves to believe in.

And as far as you opinion about the lack of problems the Japanese have in this regard, you can make your own thread about that and let us know why they are so well behaved and uninfluenced by what is exposed by way of their own media.



I believe in God and I believe God. I do not believe mans perverted definition of what is or is not normal relationship.
I have every right to teach my children and grandchildren right from wrong and to teach them it is NOT normal behavior that it is indeed perverted to have homosexual relationships!
I believe the truth of God. All false teachings will not stand, they will be exposed. What modern man pushes off as being okay or normal when in fact it is not, will be exposed. The truth always comes to light!



While homosexuals claim they make up 10% of the population, the reality is closer to 1-2%.
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/two.php

Homosexual Urban Legend: False: The Claim That 6-14 Million Children Are Reared In Homosexual Households
http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/twelve.php

When Activism Masquerades as Science: Potential Consequences of Recent APA Resolutions
http://www.narth.com/docs/masquerades.html

When Propaganda Is Disguised As Research: The Case of Charlotte J. Patterson
http://www.narth.com/docs/patterson.html

Review Of Research On Homosexual Parenting, Adoption, And Foster Parenting
http://www.narth.com/docs/rekers.html

Gender Complementarity and Child-rearing: Where Tradition and Science Agree
http://www.narth.com/docs/gendercomplementarity.html

"Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well-Intentioned Path to Harm"
http://www.narth.com/docs/destructive.html

No Basis: What the Studies Don’t Tell Us About Same-Sex Parenting
http://www.marriagewatch.org/publications/nobasis.pdf

Dr. Jeffrey Satinover Testifies Before Massachusetts Senate Committee Studying Gay Marriage
http://www.narth.com/docs/senatecommittee.html

Dual-Gender Parenting: Optimal Child Rearing
http://www.narth.com/docs/optimal.html

Massachusetts Has ‘State Interest’ In Promoting Homosexuality To Kids
February 15, 2007 – Lawyers representing the Estabrook Elementary School in Lexington, Massachusetts claim that the state has a compelling state interest to teach children about homosexuality.
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=3008

GLSEN must be stopped!

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[Guest]

Relic - I do have one question for you in regards to the OP.

It looks like it was a copied piece - do you have the original source? Or what evidence you have that it is being shown to 3rd graders?

You are correct - you have every right to teach your children as you see fit. Noone is taking that away from you.

 

[Relic]

Relic - I do have one question for you in regards to the OP.

It looks like it was a copied piece - do you have the original source? Or what evidence you have that it is being shown to 3rd graders?

You are correct - you have every right to teach your children as you see fit. Noone is taking that away from you.

No it is not a copied piece, I wrote all the words in the OP and referred to the "SECULAR" web site that promotes the movie. I beleive this movie teaches and promotes homosexuality and that it is totally against Christian principals.

Did you miss reading this sentence in the OP?
"Here is the link that shows which "liberals" are endorsing this movie and what they are saying. That's a Family"

By the way, I saw clips of this movie on the local news. It does promote that homosexuality is "normal".

And THAT, in my belief, is a wrong thing to do!


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[starbyfar]

Relic,

i dont think my view is warped at all.. in fact, i kinda take offense to that..

and, i am a christian.. i just dont believe the way to reach the gay community is to condemn them and teach our children to throw bibles at them.. i dont think im resorting to a carnal mind type? i dont believe that being gay is okay in God's eyes, nor do I think any other sin is.. why is theres so different than every other sin? because they want the freedom to practice it openly?

you cant expect to save people when you come at them with such a harsh tone.. you think if a gay person were to read your post they would want to come and talk to you about whats wrong with their lifestyle?? there is a reason why people think that us christians are hyprocritical and wrong in our thinking.

the "seculars".. listen to yourself! does your God even love the "seculars?" or are they just here to make your next to perfection godliness look better? there is definitely a way to go about exposing people to the truths that lie in the bible about homosexuality and every other sin, but I hope and pray that you arent the one doing it. i cant imagine the number of people you've turned away with your tone/words.. and thats truly sad.

i didnt say they send notes home about whats being taught in the sex ed classes, but they DO have to send a note home for your to sign that states your child can attend the class in general. a proactive parent could request to view the curriculum?

im not promoting homosexual relations.. why would you even bother to flip my words around like that?

the point with children and sin is its going to happen. they are going to do it.. they need to understand what sin is, and how/why we repent/why sin is wrong. not to look at other people that dont even have the same beliefs as them and cast stones the way you are. thats not the way to teach children how to become christlike.. what makes you so self righteous?

which truth are they perverting? the fact that people, especially those without christ live sinful lives? i think i have only heard of one occassion where a gay person tried to prove that being gay was okay biblically because they wanted to participate in the ministry. should that situation be taken with anger? no, why not educate people in a loving way? nothing good ever comes from trying to battle people over their beliefs. you cant force it and you certainly cant legislate righteousness. homosexuality is not how he created us to behave, again.. neither is partaking in premarital sex or lying or murdering... these are no different.. i believe that some people are truly born gay. this doesnt mean that they should go on to live homosexual lives and indulge in that sin, they'll just have to work harder..

is pedophilia normal? that is really a difficult question. in the past, it was perfectly normal for a old man to marry a 16 year old girl.. in fact my great grandmother was married to my grandfather when she was 15 and he 28.. this is still practiced in other nations. i always wondered how God felt about it.. something to study..

but yes, you have the right to teach your children whatever you please.. and so do gaylovers, atheist, jews and muslims..

 

[Guest]

No it is not a copied piece, I wrote all the words in the OP and referred to the "SECULAR" web site that promotes the movie. I beleive this movie teaches and promotes homosexuality and that it is totally against Christian principals.

Relic - how did you happen to hear about this movie? Also, you mention in your OP that this movie is being shown to 3rd graders - do you know this for a fact? If so, do you mind providing your evidence?

Did you miss reading this sentence in the OP?
"Here is the link that shows which "liberals" are endorsing this movie and what they are saying. That's a Family"

No, I did not miss it - I even noticed that the movie received a Special White House screening for leading child welfare and education advocates in 2000.

Let's be honest with ourselves - we live in a fallen world, and that has impacted families - there are millions of children who grow up in various family relations. To them, growing up - this is what they seem as normal - but noone is saying that it is the 'ideal'.

By the way, I saw clips of this movie on the local news. It does promote that homosexuality is "normal".

And THAT, in my belief, is a wrong thing to do!

The key words here are "in my belief". And as I pointed out, you have every right to teach your children what you deem is appropiate. However, one cannot expect the person who doesn't follow Christ to believe like you do.

I also disagree with your assertion that homosexuals choose to be gay. Just like you and me, they are born gay - in the sense that they, like you and me, were born with a sinful nature. I would argue that with that sinful nature we have a prolicivity to certain sins. Satan knows which 'buttons' to push - which temptations to put in front of us - to lead us down the path of sinful behavior.

From personal experience, drugs and alcohol were never a temptation for me - however, there were other temptations that were.

 

[waitinontheLamb]

Parents MUST make a stand in the school. I have personally addressed at least five different things with my childs teacher this year and had to make it very clear that if the line was crossed (which it was a couple of times) that I would exercise every single one of my parental rights in protecting my child. Things have changed and the teacher knows I am serious. She also knows I will support her when she does the right thing. You do NOT have to allow your child to be taught about sex or any other thing that you find offensive in school. My child will not attend any maturation classes or have any of the liberal filth shoved down her throat. Parents need to stand tall and strong in the schools or the left wing will try to pull them under.

 

[Guest]

Parents MUST make a stand in the school. I have personally addressed at least five different things with my childs teacher this year and had to make it very clear that if the line was crossed (which it was a couple of times) that I would exercise every single one of my parental rights in protecting my child. Things have changed and the teacher knows I am serious. She also knows I will support her when she does the right thing. You do NOT have to allow your child to be taught about sex or any other thing that you find offensive in school. My child will not attend any maturation classes or have any of the liberal filth shoved down her throat. Parents need to stand tall and strong in the schools or the left wing will try to pull them under.

Of course parents need to take a stand. It is their responsiblity to be active participants in the education of their children.

Would you mind explaining what you mean by "crossed the line"?

I can only assume that you would agree that parents have the right to stand up against teachings that they disagree with - be it 'liberal' or 'conservative'?

As a Mennonite, I have issues with teaching hyper-patriotism and nationalism - which some would argue are 'conservative' values.

 

[starbyfar]

Parents MUST make a stand in the school. I have personally addressed at least five different things with my childs teacher this year and had to make it very clear that if the line was crossed (which it was a couple of times) that I would exercise every single one of my parental rights in protecting my child. Things have changed and the teacher knows I am serious. She also knows I will support her when she does the right thing. You do NOT have to allow your child to be taught about sex or any other thing that you find offensive in school. My child will not attend any maturation classes or have any of the liberal filth shoved down her throat. Parents need to stand tall and strong in the schools or the left wing will try to pull them under.

I agree! parents MUST take a stand in the school. our family doesnt celebrate Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Valentines day or any other ridiculous secular holidays, and the school my daughter attends asks every year, which holidays do you celebrate or which ones do you object to your child celebrating. because of our proactivity we've even had a chance to introduce her teachers and other students to the biblical feasts we partake in! fortunately, i havent had to deal with much right-wing filth just yet, but like you said.. when it begins.. i too will stand tall and strong!! thanks for the encouragement

 

[Relic]

starbyfar. Your liberal views clash with biblical principals.

lol desensitizing younger generation to sin.. teaching our children not to be homophobic or discriminatory toward gay people isnt desensitizing them to sin.

I presented the difference is between desensitizing and protecting. go back and read it.

Also, there is no such thing as dicrimination against sin. Perversion is perversion, and these people are trying to make it "normal" :o

Christians do not accept perversion as being "normal". And if you think that is a right-wing type behavior I happen to not agree with you.

Yes, I am proactive. and I am entitled to speak out against this perverse behavior. I refuse to placate them and act as if it is not wrong.

When I speak to a homosexual person I do not throw the bible at them.
I let show them the facts. If you don't like how I present myself that's your problem. I am not hear to butter coat this horrible perversion.


If law enforcement caught you stealing and charged you with forgery would you expect them to sweet talk you about how wrong it was to do so?

Get real. These homosexuals are gaining ground because people are allowing them to run rampant with flaunting their ugly behavior all around.

If you think I am sheltering children from it, Well, I DON"T Want my child or grandchildren to see that vile behavior. two same sex adults kissing and holding hands walking down the street is an offense to me. It is an abomination.

Why is it that others are not allowed to be offended by this behavior but they perverted are allowed to be offended by the person who sees their behavior as disgustingly gross, An abomination? God does not look on it lightly, why should I? I have every right to be offended by the sight of it! And what the heck is homphobia? A made up word by homsexuals. phobia means to fear. I have no fear of homos! I am repulsed by their flaunting their sexuality. I don't believe anyone should be flaunting their sexual preferences in public! They are heterophobic! So then, that offense can go both ways! And since when is it a crime to be offended by someone who is doing something perverse in front of you? :o I do not want my children forced to see that no differently than I want for myself or my child to see violence in public. or some perver pciking their nose for that matter. People should have consideration in public and I don't think perverted behavior should be displayed either. Lude behavior should be outlawed, no differently than indecent exposer is in many states here in America.

And I have every right to be offended by thier behavior. I don't like seeing two men kissing nor women doing that. It is an offense to me. But you seem to think it's discrimination? :o It's not my fault these people refuse therapy. If I was born with a chemical imbalance I would expect to get medical help. And if I had a mental problem with my sexuality I would expect to get therapy. God gave me my sexual parts and it's not up to me to mix and match them to my own liking as to whom I have sex with. Male with male and female with female is an offense to me. And it is an abominatin to God. So are you going to tell God to change His wording? :o

I beleive God, Not some person who says I'm discriminating against these people. They are discriminating against what God created.
So you can placate them all you want... THAT is just enabling them to continue on and gaining more homosexual rights. So go ahead, placate them.

And people are offended by the truths in the bible. And they want to change it and alter it and revise it and come up with all kinds of soft versions. And some even want to get rid of it completely! Go figure. :-?

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I am a little confused... I swear that I saw a post by your Relic that said you were not here to argue with star? Did you post that and then delete it? Because it sure does sound from this last post that you are here to argue.

However, I question your assertion that they have a 'mental' problem. There is no evidence that it is a mental issue at all.

Rather, as I stated - it is a sin issue. We are all born into sin - be it an alcoholic, a liar, a fornicator, or even a homosexual - yes - they are born that way. Even a hetrosexual is born into sin.

I wonder if you confront a smoker, or an alcoholic with the same vitrol and vile that you attack homosexuals with?

Regardless of their sin, God loves them - even to the point of the Cross. It was while we were still enemies with God that He sent Jesus Christ to take our place.

As sinners, we are all an abodnimation in God's eyes - thankfully, having been born again - it is no longer I that God sees, but the righteousness of Christ in me. I am hidden in the shadow of Cross.

Rather than persecution, our is to be a ministry of reconcillation.