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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Sex Movie being show to 3rd Graders
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Yes, I tell the smoker they stink. I used to smoke. IT does stink to all high hell! And I tell the drunk to sober up.
I've dealt with both. I was married to an alcholholic. for many of these drunks, nothing cures them but to hit rock bottom. You think them hitting rock bottom isn't harsh? If my harsh words can snap them out of it before they hit rock bottom then great! Praise God!
you are right God does love them but He hates the sin.
People who think we are born sinners are wrong. We are born innocent. Sin is IN this world, that's what born into sin means. There is sin IN this world. Spirits and principalities are what we are up against. Not that we are born sinners. We are tempted to sin. We have choices.
by the way, this thread is about teaching 3rd graders that homosexual parenting and homosexuality is okay.
Not about these things you are bringing up. Please, do stay on topic from now on.
I've dealt with both. I was married to an alcholholic. for many of these drunks, nothing cures them but to hit rock bottom. You think them hitting rock bottom isn't harsh? If my harsh words can snap them out of it before they hit rock bottom then great! Praise God!
you are right God does love them but He hates the sin.
People who think we are born sinners are wrong. We are born innocent. Sin is IN this world, that's what born into sin means. There is sin IN this world. Spirits and principalities are what we are up against. Not that we are born sinners. We are tempted to sin. We have choices.
by the way, this thread is about teaching 3rd graders that homosexual parenting and homosexuality is okay.
Not about these things you are bringing up. Please, do stay on topic from now on.
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Relic said:
Please see the post I will make in Apologetics and Theology in regards to being born into sin.
You are correct - and I have asked questions about this being shown to 3rd graders, but you have not answered them - would you be able to answer them?
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Relic said:
I have asked:
and again I have asked:
I aslo asked:
And to answer your question about being 'vile' - I would content that it all depends on the manner in which that you do and by what spirit.
Relic said:
alonevoice said:
I provided the answer to this question in a previous posting . I wrote that I saw it on the local news. I know that is not evidence enough for you, you have to see it as publicized article as if my word isn't good enough. Sorry I don't have the news clip from the local news. I posted the OP on the same night I saw it on the news back in December of 2006. However, you can see a comment made by an 8 year old child directly from the web site that promotes this outlandish movie. You will see they have brainwashed this child along with many others to view homosexuality as and acceptable form of parenting. 3rd graders consist of 7 and 8 year old children.
Here is another article stating the agenda of the people at GLSEN and you will see they have exposed 7 year old children to this teaching without parental consent! :
PRO-HOMOSEXUAL PLAY FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS
http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=2580&department=CFI&categoryid=papers#play
Your question is redundant you ask this same question above.alonevoice said:
alonevoice said:
So what's the big deal about my editing my own post? Since when am I not allowed to rethink, and edit my postings and come back with comments? :o
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And now a Federal Judge is forcing this gay agenda onto Christians.
Here is the latest news coming out of Massachusetts
Judge orders 'gay' agenda
taught to Christian children
Rules kids need teachings to be
'engaged and productive citizens'
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Posted: February 24, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
David Parker and his team of lawyers approach the reporters and TV cameras after a recent motions hearing. Left to right: Robert Sinsheimer, Jeffrey Denner, David Parker, Neil Tassel
A federal judge in Massachusetts has ordered the "gay" agenda taught to Christians who attend a public school in Massachusetts, finding that they need the teachings to be "engaged and productive citizens."
U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf yesterday dismissed a civil rights lawsuit brought by David Parker, ordering that it is reasonable, indeed there is an obligation, for public schools to teach young children to accept and endorse homosexuality.
Wolf essentially adopted the reasoning in a brief submitted by a number of homosexual-advocacy groups, who said "the rights of religious freedom and parental control over the upbringing of children … would undermine teaching and learning…"
David and Tonia Parker and Joseph and Robin Wirthlin, who have children of school age in Lexington, Mass., brought the lawsuit. They alleged district officials and staff at Estabrook Elementary School violated state law and civil rights by indoctrinating their children about a lifestyle they, as Christians, teach is immoral.
"Wolf's ruling is every parent's nightmare. It goes to extraordinary lengths to legitimize and reinforce the 'right' (and even the duty) of schools to normalize homosexual behavior to even the youngest of children," said a statement from the pro-family group Mass Resistance.
It also is making available background information about the lengthy dispute.
David Parker in handcuffs
"In the ruling, Wolf makes the absurd claim that normalizing homosexuality to young children is 'reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy.' According to Wolf, this means teaching 'diversity' which includes 'differences in sexual orientation.'
"In addition, Wolf makes the odious statement that the Parkers' only options are (1) send their kids to a private school, (2) home-school their kids, or (3) elect a majority of people to the School Committee who agree with them. Can you imagine a federal judge in the Civil Rights era telling blacks the same thing – that if they can't be served at a lunch counter they should just start their own restaurant, or elect a city council to pass laws that reflect the U.S. Constitution?" the organization said.
Lawyers for the families said they already had planned an appeal of the judge's opinion.
But Wolf's claims followed very closely the reasoning submitted earlier in a brief by Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, Massachusetts Teachers Association, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders and other advocates for the "gay" agenda.
Earlier, Mass Resistance President Brian Camenker had wondered why such national groups were "so interested in a parent's right to decide what moral issues are taught to his children by adults in elementary schools, especially regarding homosexuality."
"They must see David Parker's case as quite a threat to their ability to push their message on children," he had said. His organization has posted information about the judge's ruling on the Internet for readers to review.
But the judge concluded that even allowing Christians to withdraw their children from classes or portions of classes where the religious beliefs were being violated wasn't a reasonable expectation.
"An exodus from class when issues of homosexuality or same-sex marriage are to be discussed could send the message that gays, lesbians, and the children of same-sex parents are inferior and, therefore, have a damaging effect on those students," he opined.
"Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy," the judge wrote. "Diversity is a hallmark of our nation. It is increasingly evident that our diversity includes differences in sexual orientation."
And, he said, since history "includes instances of … official discrimination against gays and lesbians … it is reasonable for public educators to teach elementary school students … different sexual orientations."
If they disagree, "the Parkers and Wirthlins may send their children to a private school …[or] may also educate their children at home," the judge said.
Parker was arrested and jailed in Lexington in April 2005 over his request – and the school's refusal – to notify him when adults discuss homosexuality or transgenderism with his 6-year-old kindergartner. That despite a state law requiring such notification.
The incident made news around the nation and even Gov. Mitt Romney agreed with Parker.
However, in April 2006 the same school presented the book "King and King," about homosexual romances and marriage, to second-graders and again refused to provide notification.
Parker and other parents followed with the federal civil rights lawsuit, alleging school officials were refusing to follow state law.
David Parker's son brought home the book 'Who's in a Family?' in school's 'Diversity Book Bag' (Image: Article 8 Alliance)
Just days later, David Parker's son, Jacob, was beaten up at Estabrook Elementary, officials said. MassResistance said a group of 8-10 kids surrounded him and took him out of sight of "patrolling aides," then pummeled and beat him.
"The state must fight 'discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation' in ways that 'do not perpetuate stereotypes,'" the lawyers for the school district had argued at an earlier motions hearing. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren.
"David Parker's dilemma … threatens the parental rights and religious freedom of every Massachusetts parent, and indirectly every parent in America," said John Haskins of the Parents' Rights Coalition.
"As the Lexington schools themselves are arguing, the state's right to force pro-homosexuality indoctrination on other people's children arises directly from former Gov. Mitt Romney's nakedly false and unconstitutional declaration that homosexual marriage is now legal."
Haskins said when the Massachusetts state Supreme Court demanded homosexual marriages in the state, it didn't have the constitutional or legal authority to order the governor to act or to order the Legislature to make any changes, and the creation of same-sex marriages in Massachusetts actually was accomplished by executive order from Romney.
source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54420
It is just too outrageous! And people are being sedated to the fact that perversion is fast becoming accepted. They are pushing to make perverse sexuality as being a normal thing. Since when is perversion normal for the mainstream of society? These sexual deviants are attacking the very foundations of the family. Next thing you know the only thing that will be against the law is decency!
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In another article, I read about a transexual who wrote a book saying that Real women have p e n i s e s. :o Scroll halfways down the page and you will see the write up for this bizzare book that tells about transexuals and how they try to justify their transgender-ism.
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/page/2/
what the !!!!! Crazy! this is all just too crazy! Are "they" going to try and brainwash our children that this is a normal model for parenting also? :shocked!: :silly:
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And now a Federal Judge is forcing this gay agenda onto Christians.
Here is the latest news coming out of Massachusetts
Judge orders 'gay' agenda
taught to Christian children
Rules kids need teachings to be
'engaged and productive citizens'
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Posted: February 24, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
David Parker and his team of lawyers approach the reporters and TV cameras after a recent motions hearing. Left to right: Robert Sinsheimer, Jeffrey Denner, David Parker, Neil Tassel
A federal judge in Massachusetts has ordered the "gay" agenda taught to Christians who attend a public school in Massachusetts, finding that they need the teachings to be "engaged and productive citizens."
U.S. District Judge Mark L. Wolf yesterday dismissed a civil rights lawsuit brought by David Parker, ordering that it is reasonable, indeed there is an obligation, for public schools to teach young children to accept and endorse homosexuality.
Wolf essentially adopted the reasoning in a brief submitted by a number of homosexual-advocacy groups, who said "the rights of religious freedom and parental control over the upbringing of children … would undermine teaching and learning…"
David and Tonia Parker and Joseph and Robin Wirthlin, who have children of school age in Lexington, Mass., brought the lawsuit. They alleged district officials and staff at Estabrook Elementary School violated state law and civil rights by indoctrinating their children about a lifestyle they, as Christians, teach is immoral.
"Wolf's ruling is every parent's nightmare. It goes to extraordinary lengths to legitimize and reinforce the 'right' (and even the duty) of schools to normalize homosexual behavior to even the youngest of children," said a statement from the pro-family group Mass Resistance.
It also is making available background information about the lengthy dispute.
David Parker in handcuffs
"In the ruling, Wolf makes the absurd claim that normalizing homosexuality to young children is 'reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy.' According to Wolf, this means teaching 'diversity' which includes 'differences in sexual orientation.'
"In addition, Wolf makes the odious statement that the Parkers' only options are (1) send their kids to a private school, (2) home-school their kids, or (3) elect a majority of people to the School Committee who agree with them. Can you imagine a federal judge in the Civil Rights era telling blacks the same thing – that if they can't be served at a lunch counter they should just start their own restaurant, or elect a city council to pass laws that reflect the U.S. Constitution?" the organization said.
Lawyers for the families said they already had planned an appeal of the judge's opinion.
But Wolf's claims followed very closely the reasoning submitted earlier in a brief by Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, Massachusetts Teachers Association, Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders and other advocates for the "gay" agenda.
Earlier, Mass Resistance President Brian Camenker had wondered why such national groups were "so interested in a parent's right to decide what moral issues are taught to his children by adults in elementary schools, especially regarding homosexuality."
"They must see David Parker's case as quite a threat to their ability to push their message on children," he had said. His organization has posted information about the judge's ruling on the Internet for readers to review.
But the judge concluded that even allowing Christians to withdraw their children from classes or portions of classes where the religious beliefs were being violated wasn't a reasonable expectation.
"An exodus from class when issues of homosexuality or same-sex marriage are to be discussed could send the message that gays, lesbians, and the children of same-sex parents are inferior and, therefore, have a damaging effect on those students," he opined.
"Under the Constitution public schools are entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens in our democracy," the judge wrote. "Diversity is a hallmark of our nation. It is increasingly evident that our diversity includes differences in sexual orientation."
And, he said, since history "includes instances of … official discrimination against gays and lesbians … it is reasonable for public educators to teach elementary school students … different sexual orientations."
If they disagree, "the Parkers and Wirthlins may send their children to a private school …[or] may also educate their children at home," the judge said.
Parker was arrested and jailed in Lexington in April 2005 over his request – and the school's refusal – to notify him when adults discuss homosexuality or transgenderism with his 6-year-old kindergartner. That despite a state law requiring such notification.
The incident made news around the nation and even Gov. Mitt Romney agreed with Parker.
However, in April 2006 the same school presented the book "King and King," about homosexual romances and marriage, to second-graders and again refused to provide notification.
Parker and other parents followed with the federal civil rights lawsuit, alleging school officials were refusing to follow state law.
David Parker's son brought home the book 'Who's in a Family?' in school's 'Diversity Book Bag' (Image: Article 8 Alliance)
Just days later, David Parker's son, Jacob, was beaten up at Estabrook Elementary, officials said. MassResistance said a group of 8-10 kids surrounded him and took him out of sight of "patrolling aides," then pummeled and beat him.
"The state must fight 'discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation' in ways that 'do not perpetuate stereotypes,'" the lawyers for the school district had argued at an earlier motions hearing. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren.
"David Parker's dilemma … threatens the parental rights and religious freedom of every Massachusetts parent, and indirectly every parent in America," said John Haskins of the Parents' Rights Coalition.
"As the Lexington schools themselves are arguing, the state's right to force pro-homosexuality indoctrination on other people's children arises directly from former Gov. Mitt Romney's nakedly false and unconstitutional declaration that homosexual marriage is now legal."
Haskins said when the Massachusetts state Supreme Court demanded homosexual marriages in the state, it didn't have the constitutional or legal authority to order the governor to act or to order the Legislature to make any changes, and the creation of same-sex marriages in Massachusetts actually was accomplished by executive order from Romney.
source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54420
It is just too outrageous! And people are being sedated to the fact that perversion is fast becoming accepted. They are pushing to make perverse sexuality as being a normal thing. Since when is perversion normal for the mainstream of society? These sexual deviants are attacking the very foundations of the family. Next thing you know the only thing that will be against the law is decency!
: In another article, I read about a transexual who wrote a book saying that Real women have p e n i s e s. :o Scroll halfways down the page and you will see the write up for this bizzare book that tells about transexuals and how they try to justify their transgender-ism.
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate/page/2/
what the !!!!! Crazy! this is all just too crazy! Are "they" going to try and brainwash our children that this is a normal model for parenting also? :shocked!: :silly:
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waitinontheLamb
Member
They will have to put me in jail first. I will never allow anyone to teach such filth to my child. The laws of man have no bearing when they contradict the Law of God.
They would have a fight on their hands.
How dare he think he can impose the acceptance of perversion and degenerate lifestyles on children that are not his.
They would have a fight on their hands.
How dare he think he can impose the acceptance of perversion and degenerate lifestyles on children that are not his.
waitinontheLamb said:
I couldn't agree more! If people want to pervert their sexual behaviors that is up to them. But I have every right to exclude my 7 year old child and kindergarten child of this information until I deem they are old enough to learn about the corruptions in this world. And I surely wouldn't teach them to accept it as being a "normal" behavior!
If people don't wake up out of their stupors and take an active role in opposing these abominations, they will continue to legislate and legalize.
It amazes me how this state has gone to the extreme with moral issues and have taken the side of the perverse.
Pray this gets overturned somehow soon.
Call your congressman, call your governors, state representatives and insist they do something about this so it doesn't spread into your state or go any further but is stopped dead in it's monstrous tracks!
Massachusetts shame on you!
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Update!
What’s next?
The Parkers’ lawyers have already announced that they will appeal the decision in Federal Appeals Court. They continue to be upbeat, passionate about this case, and confident they will prevail.
What does this mean?
Although we had anticipated the possibility of this motion to dismiss being allowed, we had no idea that it would be done with such vehemence and blatant unconstitutional militancy. This is extremely serious. This ruling could be considered as “legally binding†in future civil cases, and reflects the extreme degree to which our judiciary has become. disconnected from our constitutional democracy.
Where does that leave parents and citizens? Do we depend on the generosity of an “appeals court†or do we take action? More on this in the next MassResistance e-mail, Monday evening…
source: http://americansfortruth.com/news/federal-judge-dismisses-david-parkers-civil-rights-lawsuit.html
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What’s next?
The Parkers’ lawyers have already announced that they will appeal the decision in Federal Appeals Court. They continue to be upbeat, passionate about this case, and confident they will prevail.
What does this mean?
Although we had anticipated the possibility of this motion to dismiss being allowed, we had no idea that it would be done with such vehemence and blatant unconstitutional militancy. This is extremely serious. This ruling could be considered as “legally binding†in future civil cases, and reflects the extreme degree to which our judiciary has become. disconnected from our constitutional democracy.
Where does that leave parents and citizens? Do we depend on the generosity of an “appeals court†or do we take action? More on this in the next MassResistance e-mail, Monday evening…
source: http://americansfortruth.com/news/federal-judge-dismisses-david-parkers-civil-rights-lawsuit.html
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Parents Groups Ask Maryland to Stop New, Gender-Confused Sex-ed Lessons
Neutral Unisex Bathroom Created for Cross-dressing Student
News Advisory: February 23, 2007
read article here: http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=322220#322220
Neutral Unisex Bathroom Created for Cross-dressing Student
News Advisory: February 23, 2007
read article here: http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=322220#322220
waitinontheLamb
Member
Disgusting.Relic said:
We are worse then Sodom or Gomhorrah
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And liberalism marches on and on.........................until it is stopped at the coming of Jesus Christ.
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And I believe we are used for His cause.
"Parents GroupsAsk Maryland to Stop"
If they didn't ask how long do you think that school would have kept up with that nonsense?
Thank God these parents were moved to finally take responsibility and stepped up to the plate! They should have done it the instant that school allowed such nonsense to take place.
At least there is a move to stop it.
excerpt:
.“What happens in Montgomery County will happen to the rest of Maryland, so it is imperative to stop this ‘sex ed’ program now before it is fully implemented,†said Griggs. Concerned Maryland residents can take action at http://www.mcpscurriculum.org/take_action.shtml
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And I believe we are used for His cause.
"Parents GroupsAsk Maryland to Stop"
If they didn't ask how long do you think that school would have kept up with that nonsense?
Thank God these parents were moved to finally take responsibility and stepped up to the plate! They should have done it the instant that school allowed such nonsense to take place.
At least there is a move to stop it.
excerpt:
.“What happens in Montgomery County will happen to the rest of Maryland, so it is imperative to stop this ‘sex ed’ program now before it is fully implemented,†said Griggs. Concerned Maryland residents can take action at http://www.mcpscurriculum.org/take_action.shtml
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