Should Abortion Doctors Recieve Death ?

[Lewis]

Should Abortion Doctors Recieve Death ? Somebody has to protect those babies, pulling them half way out of the womb and sticking a probe in the base of the skull, boils my blood until it evaporates, these fools are trying to play God, who gives America, or the Supreme Court, the right to say that it is ok to kill babies. When I was 18 my oldest son's mother had one, and they used a vacuum, this is when she got pregnant again, she was bent on doing it and she did. Now that I look back on it, I should have did more to stop her, I did not try hard enough, and I was young only 18, and knew nothing about life at all. Today she is a born again Christian, and so am I but, look at the crime that was committed to my unborn baby girl torn apart by a vaccum, I am 54 now and still think about that sometimes, and I have grown to hate abortion doctors, because they are demons. But back then I really did not know any better, or I would have stopped her some how, I remember something inside me saying that this is wrong, but I was to young to know just how wrong it was. But when she came out of that hospital room and told me that it was a girl, I remember pondering that information. Now I still even today think of what might have been a beautiful girl she would have been about I guess 34, she was not given a chance because her mother thought that it would be to hard in the world with another baby at the age of 16, I wish my baby was here, but it is to late. Jeremiah: 1-5 God said I knew thee before I formed thee in the womb. Now that is some powerful stuff.

 

[jasoncran]

I see your point there Lewis w, i think that mankind is evil, but we who have recieved Christ shouldnt judge the sinner, but we can hate the sin and be angry about that sin in a holy way. We should be pray for those type of doctors(murderers), but we should look at the causes of why abortion is needed ie illicit sex, rape, incest, and also deal with those issues with compassion. While abortion is totally avoidable and adoption is the answer, people do make mistakes and we christians should support those ministries who adopt out childern, or adopt one ourselves if we are able. I cant adopt due to my wife's health, she has had children, but with bipolar simple day to day stress can be overwhelming.

Abortion, to save the life of the mother is rare. Now what about those workers(counselors) who advise an abortion. I just dont know how they live with themselves, especially if they are a mother. They need Jesus, and repent.

I want to post this on 1st ad Roman Families, the early church went through what we are dealing with and notice how history has repeated itself.

http://www.pbs.org/empires/romans/empire/family.html

jason

 

[GojuBrian]

Should Abortion Doctors Recieve Death ? Somebody has to protect those babies, pulling them half way out of the womb and sticking a probe in the base of the skull, boils my blood until it evaporates, these fools are trying to play God, who gives America, or the Supreme Court, the right to say that it is ok to kill babies. When I was 18 my oldest son's mother had one, and they used a vacuum, this is when she got pregnant again, she was bent on doing it and she did. Now that I look back on it, I should have did more to stop her, I did not try hard enough, and I was young only 18, and knew nothing about life at all. Today she is a born again Christian, and so am I but, look at the crime that was committed to my unborn baby girl torn apart by a vaccum, I am 54 now and still think about that sometimes, and I have grown to hate abortion doctors, because they are demons. But back then I really did not know any better, or I would have stopped her some how, I remember something inside me saying that this is wrong, but I was to young to know just how wrong it was. But when she came out of that hospital room and told me that it was a girl, I remember pondering that information. Now I still even today think of what might have been a beautiful girl she would have been about I guess 34, she was not given a chance because her mother thought that it would be to hard in the world with another baby at the age of 16, I wish my baby was here, but it is to late. Jeremiah: 1-5 God said I knew thee before I formed thee in the womb. Now that is some powerful stuff.

I share your passion Lewis and thankyou for sharing that personal story.

They WILL receive death in the worst way if they don't shape up and beg forgiveness.

Just say NO to 'planned parenthood', the joke of the decade.

 

[Ed the Ned]

:yes
I agree planned parenthood is a joke (but not a very funny one). They need to repent and ask forgiveness, but if they believe in what they are doing I doubt they will. Abortion is the most shoking legal practice in any "civilized society". I cannot understand how anybody can defend such a horrid act. God will be the judge.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

It is not for us to condemn or judge. We are fallible and God is not. God will be the final judge and we should leave this to him. None of us should condemn anyone to death or any form of spiritual punishment.

 

[Lewis]

It is not for us to condemn or judge. We are fallible and God is not. God will be the final judge and we should leave this to him. None of us should condemn anyone to death or any form of spiritual punishment.

Then what does Romans 13 say. The same laws that God set up is the same laws that are being broken, by the ministers of the law. Who is supposed to protect these babies, God has put in place certain things, and we are to carry them out, we are to protect these babies, can the babies themselves do it ? No, so we have to do it. Do you think during Biblical times this garbage would have been going on, the answer is no. Now they did bad things to babies then too, but not like today, pulling babies part of the way out and sticking a probe in the base of their head, or in my case my daughter torn apart by a vaccum, because that is what the vaccum does. These babies are conscience in the womb. I have turned into a fighter of the unborn, and Obama better do something about it or he won't get my vote ever again, that is one of the reasons that I was reluctant to become a democrat. Remember Jesus said He did not come to remove the law. Now out of the 613 laws of the Old Testament, the (Moral Laws, Still Stand) And if it means putting these doctors to death so be it. Because how the heck is the U.S. court system going to give them the permission to kill these babies ? They are telling God that it is mans decision who is born, and who is not. During the 3 years that Jesus was walking around down here, he was not stopping the deaths of the court convicted, that had done something terrible. Now God does give mercy, but He does not all the time, there are many that God could rescue, but in many cases He will allow them to die for their crimes. I am talking about the doctors. So I still say these docs deserve death, and the nurses that help them. They are getting a big fat pay check, to kill babies. And I am still a Christian.

 

[jasoncran]

lewis, wooh buddy i know that you hate those types of doctors, but murder for murder isnt the way. we arent to repay evil with evil. I hate the sin but remember that we that have commited adultery and or fornication are guilty of the cause for a woman to abort, the woman we have slept may have aborted that child, but remember it does take two make a child.

jason

 

[Lewis]

Jason Romans 13 is for such people, the authorities was not put in place by accident, Romans 13 says that they are ministers of God handing out (wrath) to those who deserve it. Now these ministers of God has turned their back on God and has ordered, that it is lawful to kill babies, let me tell you a secret putting certain people to death is not always a evil act. God has used it many times to rid evil. In certain cases Genesis 9:6 still holds true.

Genesis 9:6 (King James Version)

6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

 

[jasoncran]

Jason Romans 13 is for such people, the authorities was not put in place by accident, Romans 13 says that they are ministers of God handing out (wrath) to those who deserve it. Now these ministers of God has turned their back on God and has ordered, that it is lawful to kill babies, let me tell you a secret putting certain people to death is not always a evil act. God has used it many times to rid evil. In certain cases Genesis 9:6 still holds true.

Genesis 9:6 (King James Version)

6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

yes for the government i agree, but what you suggest is vigilalantism, think about it back when jesus was on the earth, did he suggest that the apostles kill the fathers who rejected their children, yes in ancient rome the paternfamily was one in which that the father could decide which child could be live or die by simply picking up or not, the child was either sold to slavers or killed. Not much different then today except the woman decide this time.
A thread that you started earlier had a link to verify this, should a man eat dolphins or eliphants.
jason

 

[Lewis]

Jason I think that is a modern term for justice. These people have shed the blood of innocent, babies, and God has left certain things up to his people to take care of. And guess what, they do it over and over and over and over, and hundreds of times more, nobody can tell me these doctors don't deserve death. But you see we have a backwards government. These doctors, or demons if you will, will kill a baby, and then go out and have lunch, it's business as usual, take their families on vacations on the money made off of murdering babies.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

[quote="Aero_Hudson":22izx4rq]It is not for us to condemn or judge. We are fallible and God is not. God will be the final judge and we should leave this to him. None of us should condemn anyone to death or any form of spiritual punishment.

Then what does Romans 13 say. The same laws that God set up is the same laws that are being broken, by the ministers of the law. Who is supposed to protect these babies, God has put in place certain things, and we are to carry them out, we are to protect these babies, can the babies themselves do it ? No, so we have to do it. Do you think during Biblical times this garbage would have been going on, the answer is no. Now they did bad things to babies then too, but not like today, pulling babies part of the way out and sticking a probe in the base of their head, or in my case my daughter torn apart by a vaccum, because that is what the vaccum does. These babies are conscience in the womb. I have turned into a fighter of the unborn, and Obama better do something about it or he won't get my vote ever again, that is one of the reasons that I was reluctant to become a democrat. Remember Jesus said He did not come to remove the law. Now out of the 613 laws of the Old Testament, the (Moral Laws, Still Stand) And if it means putting these doctors to death so be it. Because how the heck is the U.S. court system going to give them the permission to kill these babies ? They are telling God that it is mans decision who is born, and who is not. During the 3 years that Jesus was walking around down here, he was not stopping the deaths of the court convicted, that had done something terrible. Now God does give mercy, but He does not all the time, there are many that God could rescue, but in many cases He will allow them to die for their crimes. I am talking about the doctors. So I still say these docs deserve death, and the nurses that help them. They are getting a big fat pay check, to kill babies. And I am still a Christian. [/quote:22izx4rq]

If you spout this rhetoric and call for the death of doctors than dare I say it most folks would not see you as a Christians. Christians do not murder / kill.

 

[jasoncran]

You should pray, and if we did that then i who have lost friends to the enemy in afghanistan,iraq
should i go to gitmo and avenge them. Lewis think really hard about what you advocate, vengeance is mine saith the Lord, see my new thread.

 

[Sparkey]

Guys, it's worse than that.
Consider the fact that we in the US are being conditioned to feel threatened by religious zealots --Look at the problems that the Arabs in our country face. They are being branded with stereo-types and called every kind of name and this isn't Christian at all.

Nobody is saying that Christians who hate "abortion doctors" are prejudiced against Arab Americans or are guilty of terrorism --but wake up to the facts before it is too late! Our current situation in the laws of this great country allow the very best things about our laws to be used against the children of the Light. What will happen if there are laws passed against "terrorists" but because of "separation of church and state" considerations the laws passed against Muslim extremists who advocate vengeance or harm MUST NEEDS BE also passed against any and all religious sentiments including Christian and including those in this thread?

Why do we pretend we can't see this coming?

 

[Timf]

I knew a man once that came into work agitated by something he had heard on the radio. He was not a Christian, but I thought I would use the opportunity to raise the subject of God.

I said that when faced with evil in the world, we have three choices;

(1) You can kill all of the evil people. However, you have to face two issues. First, you could never carry enough bullets. Second, at some point you would have to face the evil in your own heart.

(2) Get a cabin up in the mountains of Idaho and sit on the porch with a shotgun across your lap. However, if someone wants to find you, they will be able to.

(3) The last option is to trust in the God that created and runs the universe. We can consider letting Him run things and dispense justice and settle accounts. If we see ourselves as the only ones who can make things right, we are in danger of seeing ourselves as agents of God which is not too dissimilar to the Jihadists.

The Bible tells us that times are going to get difficult for those who cling to truth. Satan wants us distracted with fear. If we "love not our lives unto death", the world can have little hold on us.

God says, "Vengeance is mine". This is interesting because since Jesus paid for the sin of the whole world, He actually does own the legal right to take revenge for every sin. God is just and evil will be deal with by Him who is the only one able to judge justly.

 

[Vic C.]

We can't lean on Romans 13 without reading it's "setup". We need to first read Romans 12 to get a clearer picture and particularly the Rom 12:12-21. Two key verses in that passage are:

Rom 12:17 and Rom 12:19.

We may want to skip on over to 1 Cor 5:9-14. Though this is dealing with adultery and fornication, it's really dealing with the moral portion of the 10 Commandments. We, as the Body, are to judge those within the Body, but those outside of the Body are to be dealt with by God, who set up, by HIS Sovereign will, the very judicial systems of the land.

My point is, we have no right to call for the murder of anyone who performs an abortion. Why? They aren't breaking the law. We need to raise our voices, not our tempers, and change laws. Then, we have a case. :yes

 

[Ed the Ned]

We may want to skip on over to 1 Cor 5:9-14. Though this is dealing with adultery and fornication, it's really dealing with the moral portion of the 10 Commandments. We, as the Body, are to judge those within the Body, but those outside of the Body are to be dealt with by God, who set up, by HIS Sovereign will, the very judicial systems of the land.

My point is, we have no right to call for the murder of anyone who performs an abortion. Why? They aren't breaking the law. We need to raise our voices, not our tempers, and change laws. Then, we have a case.

Vic I agree with you 100%. I think abortion should be illegal. Humanity has got its priorities upside down in the quest for global peace. The same people who are trying to get global peace are the ones advocating a womans right to kill her human child. :crazy

 

[handy]

I agree, Vic. Very good post there, brother.

These people have shed the blood of innocent, babies, and God has left certain things up to his people to take care of.

Yes, God has left certain things up to His people to take care of. Meting the judgment of death to someone who is doing something legal isn't one of them.

It's not that I don't share your anger and bitterness regarding the blood of innocent babies. But God does not call upon us to put sinners to death. He puts governments in place to do that. And, our government has decided that abortion is OK. Do we need to change the law, change it to the point where performing an abortion is a capital offense? Perhaps. But are we to take up arms and put people to death because the government isn't? No. That position isn't biblical.

 

[Lewis]

ok my point is how can they not be breaking God's laws who gives them the right to kill God's unborn, now I may have to back down on calling for the death of these demons in the public, but as for what these demons are doing I will not. But in my heart I still want them to get what they dished out. I will just stop stating it publicly, and I and millions of other Christians see it the same way. I am not being argumentative here, really I am not, just talking about how I see it. And how many times has God used men of God to straighten out these demons, answer many. I do know that during judgement, they are going to get it unless they repent before hand. For me this is the biggest problem for me as a Christian, meaning this abortion issue. Christians can go off and fight a secular war, and most Christians will say we should fight them Muslims, but when it comes to the war on baby killers we choke up. And again you all, I am not trying to be argumentative here. You can find Scriptures that make your argument sound right, and I can go and find Scriptures that make my argument sound right. Killing these babies is against God's laws Christian and Secular, there is a standard good vs evil, and good is the standard and killing babies is a evil standard. You know in Romans 1:32 Paul calls for the death of evil people, well tell me what is a baby killer ? I am not trying to swing anyone my way, and I am not telling people to go out and hunt down abortion demons and kill them, we can't do that, but I wish a Biblical court could handle this stuff, not all of them would walk, some but not all. And I am still a Christian, but not all of us will see eye to eye on this, I am just honest enough to say what I think. God still raises up warriors, no I mean literal warriors, and I am one of them, God makes all kinds of people for special roles in His system of things, musicians, doctors, judges, pastors, warriors, and I am blessd to be a few things in His system. If god did not raise up warriors what are we doing fighting in a secular war. But you know what, if they repent God will forgive them, and so will I ;)

 

[Vic C.]

I understand your frustration, as do most of us. Above all, my faith is in a God who deals with the righteous and the unrighteous in HIS time, according to HIS will and promises to HIS elected saved ones. Yes, they are breaking God's moral code as we see it, but it is HE who ordains who will be on office and what laws of the land will be in place. As Christians, we have every right to voice our displeasure with the abortion laws on the books. We have the choice to not choose abortion as an option for ourselves. But... we do not have the right or privilege to self impose and carry out our morals as if they were secular laws. We are not a Theocracy.

Also, Paul isn't calling for anyone's death; he is saying these unrepentant, covenant breaking sinners re "worthy of death". This is death brought on by God, through wrath. Just as we are promised spiritual and eternal life, they are given the opposite. It's all in God's hands. :amen

One more thing; we are mandated to forgive whether one repents or not. That's a key passage in the Lord's Prayer. :yes The call to forgive is all over the NT and carries no prerequisites either.

We here love you Lewis and want for you the peace of mind that only the Peace of God can bring over you in HIS blessings.

 

[Sparkey]

One more thing; we are mandated to forgive whether one repents or not. That's a key passage in the Lord's Prayer. :yes

Forgive us as we forgive others? Is that the passage or is there more?

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Cordially,
~Sparrow