Should Christians observe the OT feasts?

[kiwimac]

Regarding the OP list false teachers, there are some that think I am part of the (fill in the blank) _________ crowd because of my belief in lost tribes teaching. (Kept his name out so as I am not accused of preacher bashing and belittlement). However, his teaching seems to question more the authenticity of those claiming to be Jews and they believe in multiple man-lineage creations besides Adam, including the serpent seed doctrine. I don't embrace these doctrines and believe that all men came from Adam, specifically Noah since the flood was world wide.

I suppose I can live with that but the thing that really galls me about this false teacher is his denial of the obvious (as opposed to obscure) doctrines. He can't even keep a Jewish calendar correctly. He sits there with that smirk on his face and calls those who disagree with him "yo-yo's" and yet I doubt that he knows a synodic month from a draconic month in calendars and astronomy. He claims the ancient Israelites used only the sun and not the moon. Yet, King David very clearly made reference to the moon regarding the timing of the feasts. The word "month" has it etymology in the word "moon". Even clock hands have this 12:1 ratio in movement in case anyone wondered where that came from. I can't help but to think its an excuse to "change the times" so as not to celebrate Passover when the Jews do.

When someone gets something this straightforward blatantly and pridefully wrong, I say get away from them. It even sounds stupid. This man is a minute hand short of a true clock.

We are not commanded to keep the Jewish feasts, indeed they were never meant for Gentiles.

 

[Theofilus]

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We are not commanded to keep the Jewish feasts, indeed they were never meant for Gentiles.

Yesterday was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread. For the next week, the Bible tells us not only not to eat leavened bread, but that leaven should not be found in our homes. To fulfill this commandment, observant Jews throrouly clean their homes before passover, making sure to get every nook and cranny clean, so that no leaven will be found anywhere in their homes. (As a side note, this is where spring cleaning has ist's origin.) Paul alludes to this custom and this feast, when he, writing to the Gentiles at Corinth, says:

Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ: wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (I Cor. 5:7-8 ASV)​

Rather than doing away with the biblical festivals and telling Gentiles that they were not required to keep them, Paul shows that they have a special meaning for Christians, and encourages Gentiles to "keep the feast".

Have a happy Chag HaMatzot

 

[theLords]

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Yesterday was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread. For the next week, the Bible tells us not only not to eat leavened bread, but that leaven should not be found in our homes. To fulfill this commandment, observant Jews throrouly clean their homes before passover, making sure to get every nook and cranny clean, so that no leaven will be found anywhere in their homes. (As a side note, this is where spring cleaning has ist's origin.) Paul alludes to this custom and this feast, when he, writing to the Gentiles at Corinth, says:

Rather than doing away with the biblical festivals and telling Gentiles that they were not required to keep them, Paul shows that they have a special meaning for Christians, and encourages Gentiles to "keep the feast".

Have a happy Chag HaMatzot

Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ: wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (I Cor. 5:7-8 ASV)​

Paul is speaking spiritually. Actual leaven cannot take on the characteristics of malice or wickedness, but the leaven within the heart can. Again, actual unleavened bread cannot be sincere or truth, but the unleavened bread of the heart can be. Keeping the Passover is about a heart condition. Furthermore, 1 Corinthians 5 is a chapter in which Paul addresses sexual incest in the that church.

1 Corinthians 5 (KJV)

1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

 

[reba]

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Yesterday was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread. For the next week, the Bible tells us not only not to eat leavened bread, but that leaven should not be found in our homes. To fulfill this commandment, observant Jews throrouly clean their homes before passover, making sure to get every nook and cranny clean, so that no leaven will be found anywhere in their homes. (As a side note, this is where spring cleaning has ist's origin.) Paul alludes to this custom and this feast, when he, writing to the Gentiles at Corinth, says:

I know i used to clean house for a Jewish lady

Leaven is not always a bad thing

 

[Sam21]

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Yesterday was the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread. For the next week, the Bible tells us not only not to eat leavened bread, but that leaven should not be found in our homes. To fulfill this commandment, observant Jews throrouly clean their homes before passover, making sure to get every nook and cranny clean, so that no leaven will be found anywhere in their homes. (As a side note, this is where spring cleaning has ist's origin.) Paul alludes to this custom and this feast, when he, writing to the Gentiles at Corinth, says:

Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ: wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (I Cor. 5:7-8 ASV)
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Rather than doing away with the biblical festivals and telling Gentiles that they were not required to keep them, Paul shows that they have a special meaning for Christians, and encourages Gentiles to "keep the feast".

Have a happy Chag HaMatzot

Paul was using an EXAMPLE, he was not instructing christians to keep Jewish feasts,sigh!

 

[reba]

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No sour dough bread??

My mother in law had the same starter for years and years she took it when she moved... But for here is was ok she was Catholic. totopic

 

[Theofilus]

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Paul was using an EXAMPLE, he was not instructing christians to keep Jewish feasts,sigh!

No. You're right. Let's not keep this feast that God commanded, and which is full of sybolism that all points directly to Christ. Let's instead celebrate a festival that is full of fertility symbols and sun-worship symbolism, which the Bible tells us quite clearly to avoid, and which contains nothing at all that points to God or Christ. That makes sense. I'm sure that's what Paul meant to tell us, when he said "keep the feast".

 

[jasoncran]

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well i for one having talked to jews,wont keep passover with them.they have no idea of the type that points too.why would God have to do with belial?

is it a sin. no, but if i did do that it would be with the brethren or as an outreach or with the messianic hebrews.

 

[reba]

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The OT all the stories, feasts, teachings all the verbal pictures look to the cross,stick, or tree anyway to His death. IMHO. As a Christian looking back to the feasts would be like Lots wife looking back .

 

[jasoncran]

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The OT all the stories, feasts, teachings all the verbal pictures look to the cross,stick, or tree anyway to His death. IMHO. As a Christian looking back to the feasts would be like Lots wife looking back .

How, that is like saying knowing the ot is bad.NO God forbid. its too learn more what christ did and what the types where that point to him.

ever wonder what the rose of sharon is?and why?

 

[theLords]

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This topic is worthy of it's own thread. AP or Bible Study? I'm going to split it...

 

[reba]

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How, that is like saying knowing the ot is bad.NO God forbid. its too learn more what christ did and what the types where that point to him.

ever wonder what the rose of sharon is?and why?

Good grief did i do it again? not make myself clear? I love the OT big time i draw much if not most of my relationship with Christ from the OT.

Jason why cant you just see into my head and heart then you would know what i am saying. :p

To learn from the feast to understand their meanings etc is all very good ... they all point to Christ. Salvation is in the cross not in the in keeping the feasts..

As a Christian looking back to the feasts would be like Lots wife looking back

Looking back to the feasts as/for salvation/works would be like lots wife



Edited: I really should read this verse often

Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

 

[reba]

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The rose of Sharon

Sharron is a place a valley i think the flower has a ton of Christ comparisons but that is just general what do you say jason?

 

[jasoncran]

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reba you assume that theo is saying that.

much to your chagrin, christmas is a totally pagan idea and so is the easter egg thing.really the day the christ rose wasnt celebrated.

that is what communion is for.and that is done daily by the rcc whenever mass is done and that really points to the cross. is Good friday a sin? no but easter comes from the word ashart or ishtar. need i say more.

which should a christian celebrate? channukah(very biblical)or christmas that was condemned in jermiah 10.

 

[theLords]

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AP it is! Here we go...

 

[RoadDebris]

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which should a christian celebrate? channukah(very biblical)or christmas that was condemned in jermiah 10.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. - Col. 2:16

 

[reba]

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reba you assume that theo is saying that.

much to your chagrin, christmas is a totally pagan idea and so is the easter egg thing.really the day the christ rose wasnt celebrated.

that is what communion is for.and that is done daily by the rcc whenever mass is done and that really points to the cross. is Good friday a sin? no but easter comes from the word ashart or ishtar. need i say more.

which should a christian celebrate? channukah(very biblical)or christmas that was condemned in jermiah 10.

No i was not assuming anything about theo.
Christ was most likely born in Sept. is what i understand.... I love the Resurrection and hate easter. even as a kid i couldn't see what the hoarable death and resurrection of Christ had to do with unreal rabbits that don't even really lay eggs


MY favorite holiday is Thanksgiving.


Seems i have a tuff time being clear so ill keep on the superficial and or just Scripture.

Heck i cant even spell oops correctly all the time

 

[theLords]

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Heck i cant even spell oops correctly all the time

:rolling

 

[Theofilus]

We are not commanded to keep the Jewish feasts, indeed they were never meant for Gentiles.

(This comment is meant, not only for kiwimac, but also for all others who feel the same way.)

We are not commanded to keep Christmas, Good Friday, Easter or Pentecost (aka the Feast of Weeks), either. Yet, many Christians keep all of those, and nobody tells them that they are not required to do so for their salvation. Do you keep these days, which the Bible does not command you to keep?

As for my keeping Passover, Channukah, the biblical Sabbath and eating only kosher food (all of which we are, indeed, commanded to do, since we are grafted onto Israel), I will follow Pauls advice, where he tells us:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. (Col. 2:16 KJV)​

 

[Sam21]

(This comment is meant, not only for kiwimac, but also for all others who feel the same way.)

We are not commanded to keep Christmas, Good Friday, Easter or Pentecost (aka the Feast of Weeks), either. Yet, many Christians keep all of those, and nobody tells them that they are not required to do so for their salvation. Do you keep these days, which the Bible does not command you to keep?

As for my keeping Passover, Channukah, the biblical Sabbath and eating only kosher food (all of which we are, indeed, commanded to do, since we are grafted onto Israel), I will follow Pauls advice, where he tells us:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. (Col. 2:16 KJV)
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Funny how you turned the words of Paul around to make them appear to say the exact OPPOSITE of what they are actually saying. The context is clear that Paul was telling christians not to let anyone judge you because you do not have to practice a holyday,or new moon,or the sabbath days. Hey, if you want to practice them then practice them,just be careful you do not slip off into the deception that you are being accepted by God because you practice them,other wise you could fall from grace.
About christians KEEPING christmas,ect. These are AMERICAN HOLIDAYS that we have all been brought up to participate in...no one is KEEPING anything,as christians we celebrate in our hearts the birth and resurrection of Christ, however we do not KEEP christmas and easter in the sense of following a command of God because we all know that there is no command of God to celebrate christmas and easter,they are American holidays and no christian is keeping them as a command from God. On the other hand the Jewish days were commands to Jewish people and they were part of the law that was fulfilled in Christ,they were part of the law that lead us to Christ,once you are in Christ it seems a little silly to go back and practice what was leading you to Christ. Like getting a HS diploma and then going back into the third grade...ole well, whatever rings your bell, but just be careful.