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Should Christians Support TBN?

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bibleberean

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I think TBN is one of the worst entities on earth.

This network promotes the "prosperity gospel" and ecumenism of the worst sort.

There are so many evils, false prophets, false teachers associated with this network I couldn't list them all

What do you guys think?

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 
Re: Should Christians Suppor TBN?

bibleberean said:
I think TBN is one of the worst entities on earth.

This network promotes the "prosperity gospel" and ecumenism of the worst sort.

There are so many evils, false prophets, false teachers associated with this network I couldn't list them all

What do you guys think?...
Very unfortunate for the ones there who actually teach and preach the truth. Unfortunate also that many who watch TBN are unable to wisely discern. :-?
 
I agree. TBN makes a mockery of salvetion but for the "Christians" who think that you can live anyway you want I guess that's the kind of gospel they want. Of course I believe that TBN and PTL were the start of the decline in the church.
 
Re: Should Christians Suppor TBN?

Vic said:
bibleberean said:
I think TBN is one of the worst entities on earth.

This network promotes the "prosperity gospel" and ecumenism of the worst sort.

There are so many evils, false prophets, false teachers associated with this network I couldn't list them all

What do you guys think?...
Very unfortunate for the ones there who actually teach and preach the truth. Unfortunate also that many who watch TBN are unable to wisely discern. :-?

I agree. The ones who teach truth remain silent as to the errors and compromise of TBN. They should be held accountable for supporting TBN by their silence.

Unfortunately most of them rationalize their presence on TBN by stating that it is their job "to preach truth not point out error".

The apostles and prophets did both as did our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The real problem in my opinion is that they know if they speak out against TBN their book and tape sales will drop and they will not be able to reach the vast audience TBN commands.

Jesus was right...

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
 
The real problem in my opinion is that they know if they speak out against TBN their book and tape sales will drop and they will not be able to reach the vast audience TBN commands.
Another 'problem' that exists is, why is it that TBN commands such a "vast audience"?

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

TBN stands for Trinity Broadcast Network. T.D. Jakes airs on TBN. Jakes is a "oneness" teacher. :o

Reinhard Bonnke, an exposed fraud, along with Benny Hinn, air on TBN also. That's enough for me to ALWAYS make sure I have a fresh pair of batteries for my remote control. :-?

Note it's not just TBN. By and large, there isn't a whole lot of sound teachers and preachers on TV these days. Alarming. :sad
 
Vic said:
The real problem in my opinion is that they know if they speak out against TBN their book and tape sales will drop and they will not be able to reach the vast audience TBN commands.
Another 'problem' that exists is, why is it that TBN commands such a "vast audience"?

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

TBN stands for Trinity Broadcast Network. T.D. Jakes airs on TBN. Jakes is a "oneness" teacher. :o

Reinhard Bonnke, an exposed fraud, along with Benny Hinn, air on TBN also. That's enough for me to ALWAYS make sure I have a fresh pair of batteries for my remote control. :-?

Note it's not just TBN. By and large, there isn't a whole lot of sound teachers and preachers on TV these days. Alarming. :sad

"That's what I am talking about"... :D

"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables"

We need to stick to truth...

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
I guess people feel the need to be part of one big 'happy' family of 'believers'. Even Christians can get caught up in the "more is better" belief. Maybe they need to read Matthew 13:32 in a different light.
8-)
 
Vic said:
I guess people feel the need to be part of one big 'happy' family of 'believers'. Even Christians can get caught up in the "more is better" belief. Maybe they need to read Matthew 13:32 in a different light.
8-)

Very good point... Not a whole lot of people look at that verse with the right perspective.

That verse is a deep study all by itself...
 
2 Corinthians 9-10 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Paul went on to say..."And I will not be burdensome to you; for I do not seek yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children." vs.14

According to many [churches "parents"] today, the strong emphesis is put on the children laying up for the parents.
 
When you die, bibleberean, are you going look back at your life and be happy with all the hatred you showed other Christians?
 
One of my biggest problems with tv ministers is the fact that they have turned their ministries into a business. The gospel is to be free. What about the poor soul who can't afford all of their merchandise?
 
"When you die, bibleberean, are you going look back at your life and be happy with all the hatred you showed other Christians?"

I'll bet he'll look back and thank the Lord that he was able to love in truth, whether or not people hated him for it. Keep preaching the truth Robert. :D

Who would knowingly lead people astray and call it love because it brings a temporary superficial peace? That's not only hateful, but cowardly.

Peace
 
One more question: Are we even to support this stuff by watching it???
---John
 
Thanks Dave,

Overlooking error for the sake of unity is not love...

All Christians learn this principle from their Father.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Should we be loving and tolerant of error and sin?

Did Jesus teach tolerance? Does love thy neighbor mean that we embrace all, including sin?

SHOULD CHRISTIANS TOLERATE SIN?â€â€"Should police be tolerant of crime, doctors tolerant of disease, judges of false testimony, etc.? Yet a tolerance is mandated in spiritual matters which in any other context would be lunacy…." (Dave Hunt, 5/00 The Berean Call)

JohnTB,

A person can watch TBN without supporting it. Sometimes it is wise to watch and learn about the latest false doctrine being taught with the purpose and intent of warning others...

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
 
Speaking the truth about God's Word is not hatred, hatred is caring more about your wallet than a persons soul.
 
These are the verses I found interesting in reference to this thread. Also it is not only television teachers and preachers but those in many many churches. We left one church for such teachings and in our search for a new church home we found that every church we visited was infected one way or another and in all denominations.

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

These show in the Old Testament that following the masses is not such a good idea, and what God does in the end.

2 Chronicles 18
400 prophets tell Ahab & Jehoshaphat to go to war, one prophet of the Lord says don't go to war.

1 Kings 18:19,46
Elijah challenges the prophets of baal, and their end result.

There are many more these are just a few.


peace V
 
Interesting post! Yet this caught my eye:

"These are the verses I found interesting in reference to this thread. Also it is not only television teachers and preachers but those in many many churches. We left one church for such teachings and in our search for a new church home we found that every church we visited was infected one way or another and in all denominations. ... "

So what comes next for you according to the Everlasting Gospel directions??? In other words, how are we different than these ones of Revelation 17:1-5's teaching, if we void out Hebrews 10:25?? (pluss other verses) --- John
 
von said:
Speaking the truth about God's Word is not hatred, hatred is caring more about your wallet than a persons soul.

I hear that! :D
 
TBN president Paul Crouch made these remarks on the air in 1991 about those who would dare critisize anyone's doctrine who preached on his network

"That old rotten Sanhedrin crowd, twice dead, plucked up by the roots ... they're damned and on their way to hell and I don't think there's any redemption for them ... the hypocrites, the heresy hunters that want to find a little mote of illegal doctrine in some Christian's eyes ... when they've got a whole forest in their own lives. ...

"I say, `To hell with you! Get out of my life! Get out of the way! Quit blockin' God's bridges! I'm tired of this! ... This is my spirit. Oh, hallelujah!' ...

"Have you ever seen the old movie, Patton? ... He's my hero; he's my hero. Old nail-chewin', tobacco-chewin', cussin' Patton--but he read the Bible every day. I have a feelin' we'll see old General George in heaven. ...

"There's a wonderful scene in Patton ... they're tryin' to get the Third Army across the bridge in France and there's an old, dumb jackass--donkey--right there on the bridge and it's blockin' the whole convoy of troops ... General George roars up, pulls that ivory- handled revolver out ... and he shoots the donkey. ...

"There's a spiritual application here. ... I want to say to all you scribes, pharisees, heresy-hunters, all of you that are around pickin' little bits of doctrinal error out of everybody's eyes and dividin' the Body of Christ ... get out of God's way, stop blockin' God's bridges, or God's goin' to shoot you if I don't ... let Him sort out all this doctrinal doodoo!

"I don't care about your doctrines as long as you name the name of Jesus, as long as you believe He died dead [sic] and was buried but came out of the tomb on Sunday morning and ascended to the Father ... I don't care about anything else! Let's join hands ... to get this gospel preached in all the world.

"The rest of this stuff is what Paul the Apostle calls dung--human excrement! It's not worth anything! Get rid of it ... and get on with winning the lost.

"I refuse to argue any longer with any of you out there! Don't even call me if you want to argue doctrine, if you want to straighten somebody out ... criticize Ken Copeland ... or Dad Hagin. Get out of my life! I don't even want to talk to you ... I don't want to see your ugly face!"

BB comments

Paul Crouch knows that if many of the teachings and practices of TBN are exposed in the light of scriptures his ratings would fall and so would his lavish income and power.

What do the scriptures say about the importance of doctrine?

SOUND DOCTRINE

Matthew 16:6-12 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.

8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the DOCTRINE of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

There are many today that hold the erroneous belief that DOCTRINE is not important. Jesus Christ shows in the above verses that this modernist philosophy is not only false but also in direct conflict with the Word of God. The apostles and prophets who wrote the New Testament under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit give considerable importance and emphasis on DOCTRINE.

Paul writes in his epistle to the Romans...

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of DOCTRINE which was delivered you.

Paul writes again in Romans...

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the DOCTRINE which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1Timothy 1:2-10

Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and
peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into
Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no
other DOCTRINE,

4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which
minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith:
so do.

5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure
heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain
jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what
they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but
for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with
mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if
there be any other thing that is contrary to SOUND DOCTRINE;

Paul exhorted Timothy to give attendance to Doctrine

1Timothy 4:13-16

Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to
DOCTRINE.

14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by
prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy
profiting may appear to all.

16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the DOCTRINE; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear
thee.

Those who show contempt for DOCTRINE are fulfilling prophecy.

2Timothy 4:2-3

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and DOCTRINE.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,
having itching ears;

The Scriptures are profitable for DOCTRINE.

2Timothy 3:16-17

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all
good works.

Conclusion

DOCTRINE IS IMPORTANT
 
Yes, and churches that teach sound doctrine are getting hard to find. Just like the Bible says. In the end we will run to and fro in search of the truth but it will be found no where.
I guess that is what really amazes me about some of the threads on this forum. The people tend to think that everyone who professes Jesus is going to Heaven no matter haow they live.
 
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