Should Homosexuals Adopt Children ?

[jgredline]

A rebuke? You committed a logical fallacy, rather than actually debate his points, and then ignored him as if that would make your stance any more justified.

Moniker
Are you his mouth piece?
Can you speak for him?
Are you his kind of seeker friendly guy?
Why can't he stand up for himself. If I have been wrong in what I said to him, I will repent of it.....
But for now I stand by what I said....Its amazing what you can learn about a person in one paragraph..... :

 

[Rick W]

Strawman? I'm asking you for your justification. Burden of proof, and all that.

Again, the justification is in science of yesteryear. You tell me it's wrong, that child psychology has changed now to include anything other than the father/mother family unit. the proof of burden is on you moniker. It's up to you to prove a mother/mother or father/father family unit has no ill-effect on children before the change is legislated into the laws governing adoption.

 

[moniker]

Like Noah, you and I are end times believers.

'fraid not. I put as much stock in your claims of the apocalypse as I put into William Miller's.

What was it like in Noah’s day? In Genesis 6, we see four parallels between Noah’s day and the days in which we live.
In the days of Noah, there was a population explosion (Genesis 6:1). Due to the fact that in Noah’s day, men lived for eight or nine hundred years, there were probably five to six billion people on the planet during the time of the Flood.

That's quite the leap. What backs up this assumption?

In the days of Noah, abnormal sexual practices abounded (Genesis 6:4). Most Bible scholars believe that Genesis 6:4 is a reference to fallen angels having sexual relationships with human women. So, too, we live in a time of abnormal sexual practices. Things that were unthinkable a generation ago are now commonplace and accepted.

Yet 4 or 5 generations ago they were commonplace and accepted as well.

In Noah’s day, the imagination of man was evil continually (Genesis 6:5). Seeing that men’s hearts were only evil continually, God decided to lovingly put them out of their misery. Thus, the Flood accomplished quickly and mercifully the destruction their sin and perversion would bring about inevitably. So, too, the imagination of people in our society is evil continuallyâ€â€as evidenced by the fact that in our country, legal pornography is now a multi-billion dollar industry.

While you won't see me relying on the expectant goodwill of strangers even I am far from the level of misanthropy you seem to enjoy.

 

[moniker]

Again, the justification is in science of yesteryear.

Mind making it a tad more specific than that?

 

[jgredline]

Sorry Moniker
I was not directing that post on noah to you. I was addressing it to believers.

 

[Rick W]

Misanthropy moniker? Is any objection to your views an act of hate?

 

[moniker]

But for now I stand by what I said....Its amazing what you can learn about a person in one paragraph..... :

A logical fallacy or a formal fallacy is a pattern of reasoning which is always or at least most commonly wrong. This is due to a flaw in the structure of the argument which renders the argument invalid.

An ad-hominem argument involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself. It is a logical fallacy.

You dismissed him and his argument, as well as my own with that last little post of yours, rather than respond to them. I didn't realize asking you to actually debate him (twice) would be so horrible a thing.

 

[Atonement]

Enough Already!!!! Moniker, you ask why we should not accept two loving people to raise an innocent child; even though they are two of the same sex correct??

Well Moniker, show me in the Bible.. ANYWHERE in the Bible, that God accepts this life style and and I will agree with you right here and right now. If you can't then why are you playing the Devil's advocate??

 

[moniker]

Misanthropy moniker? Is any objection to your views an act of hate?

He said:

So, too, the imagination of people in our society is evil continually

That is a textbook definition of misanthropy. A distrust of mankind.

 

[jgredline]

That is a textbook definition of misanthropy. A distrust of mankind.

Moniker
What does Jerimah tell us about the heart????
Its in the bible.. Let me know if you would like for me to look it up for you.

 

[moniker]

Enough Already!!!! Moniker, you ask why we should not accept two loving people to raise an innocent child; even though they are two of the same sex correct??

Well Moniker, show me in the Bible.. ANYWHERE in the Bible, that God accepts this life style and and I will agree with you right here and right now. If you can't then why are you playing the Devil's advocate??

Show me where he condemns it.

Leviticus 20:13? For one, it ignores lesbians. For two, it is in the greater context of how not to commit adultery; that cheating on your wife with another man doesn't all of a sudden make it okay. For three, Leviticus also damns you to hell for eating shrimp, cheeseburgers, bacon, wearing fabric blends, and any other number of things which are all wholly ignored.

 

[jgredline]

Even Rosie O'Donnell Knows Homosexual Adoption Puts Children at Risk


The media glorified Rosie O’Donnell’s public announcement that she has sex with other women. But it glossed over these startling contradictions: O’Donnell’s frank admission that she believes her own adopted children would be better off being raised by a married mother and father, bolstered by the hope that they won’t follow her example of choosing to engage in homosexual behavior.

“Would it be easier for [my kids] if I were married to a man? It probably would,†O’Donnell told ABC Primetime Thursday reporter Diane Sawyer.

And when asked if she hopes her adopted children will grow up to be “straightâ€Â…

“Yes, I do,†Rosie said. “I think life is easier if you’re straight. … If I were to pick, would I rather have my children have to go through the struggles of being gay in America, or being heterosexual, I would say heterosexual.â€Â

Rosie also revealed that her six-year-old son Parker has told her, “I want to have a daddy.†She responded, “If you were to have a daddy, you wouldn’t have me as a mommy, because I’m the kind of mommy who wants another mommy. This is the way mommy got born.â€Â


For the rest of the story click here
http://www.cultureandfamily.org/article ... d=cfreport

 

[jgredline]

Show me where he condemns it.

Leviticus 20:13? For one, it ignores lesbians. For two, it is in the greater context of how not to commit adultery; that cheating on your wife with another man doesn't all of a sudden make it okay. For three, Leviticus also damns you to hell for eating shrimp, cheeseburgers, bacon, wearing fabric blends, and any other number of things which are all wholly ignored.

Moniker
If you want to get legalistic, who was the book of leviticus written to?
I just finished reading that section of scrioture and did not see anything about cheesburgers, bacon, or wearing fabric blends. Why are you adding to scripture?
You are a false teacher..

 

[Rick W]

Show me where he condemns it.

Show me where it condemns pediophilia. Is that ok too since you claim the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality therefore it's right?
Same logic.

 

[jgredline]

Lewis
I think this thread is a good one and of course very controversial. When I see these threads on Homosexuality, I for the most part will tend to stay away from them, but when the kids and family is at stake, well, then the Gloves are off.

I will give as little of my opinion as possible, but lets see what God tells us through his word.

First, Lets take a look at what the word Homosexual is in the Greek.
Now there are three words for homosexual that is used in the Greek The most common one and its the one paul uses in Romans and Galations is
πορνεία This word is pronounced Pornia...This word is where we get the word pornography from.

This single word is loaded. Here is what this one word means.
illicit sexual intercourse, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals, sexual intercourse with close relatives.

OK, Now lets look at this loaded verse in context....
Galations 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

In the Greek language you can remove all the words here that describe the sins and replace them with the single word Porneia in Greek and it will mean the same thing.

Here these verses are all in the wrong place. It should be one verse and that single word πορνεία covers all of these sins. And notice that in the Text, the word homosexual does not appear...yet this very word means just that. This sin of homosexuality is so bad that it takes at least 17 words in the english laguage to describe...

So to summerize;
summarizeThe first group of sins relates to man’s defilement in the area of sex. Immorality is from porneia, from which is derived the English pornography. The term has a broad meaning, referring to all illicit sexual activity-especially, but not limited to, adultery, fornication, homosexuality, bestiality, and prostitution.
In 1 Corinthians 5:1, Paul uses the term to refer to a form of incest (sexual relationships of a man with his mother or stepmother) that even the pagans did not practice. In the next two chapters (6:13, 18; 7:2; cf. Eph. 5:3; 1 Thess. 4:3) he uses the same word to represent sexual sin in general.

When I was first learning Greek, this was one of the words we studied and the context of this word.

Moniker
Read this and learn

 

[Rick W]

Anyway, I'm going to bed.
Night all. ing:

 

[jgredline]

Anyway, I'm going to bed.
Night all. ing:

Me too, Good night and God bless you.
Javier

 

[Atonement]

Show me where he condemns it.

Leviticus 20:13? For one, it ignores lesbians. For two, it is in the greater context of how not to commit adultery; that cheating on your wife with another man doesn't all of a sudden make it okay. For three, Leviticus also damns you to hell for eating shrimp, cheeseburgers, bacon, wearing fabric blends, and any other number of things which are all wholly ignored.

Listen, stop beating around the bush here man.. Answer my question. You can not!!!!!! You answer my question by posing another question.. What else can I expect from you?? Truth?? Yeah right...

My answer to your foolish question..
BUT DO I THINK YOU'LL READ ALL OF IT????? NO BECAUSE I MEAN THAT WOULD ONLY BE THE WISE THING TO DO RIGHT??

Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).


For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another...' (Romans 1:26-27).

The Greek word arsenokoitai used in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means 'men who sleep with men'. It is the same Greek word used for 'homosexual offender' in 1 Corinthians 6:9, variously translated as 'abusers of themselves with mankind' (KJV), homosexuals (NASB) or homosexual offender (NIV).

Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sex with them' (Genesis 19:4-5).

What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah??

The foundational teaching on marriage and sexual issues is found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. When Jesus was questioned about marriage, He referred to these 2 chapters (Matthew 19:1-12; Mark 10:1-12). Genesis teaches us that 'male and female He created them' (Genesis 1:27). We were created to a planmale and female complementing each other. That is, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve.

Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth'. This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17). But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms 'that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman's role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising God-fearing woman in (Proverbs 31:10-31) is an inspiring role model.

CAN YOU PROVE YOUR POINT?????

I think I just did!!!

 

[jgredline]

Nice post atone !!!!

 

[kiwimac]

Ray
Of course you would feel this way since you are a part of the apostasy of the Church. (IN OTHER WORDS A CULT) You are a priest of a church who welcomes sin. While I agree we are to love the sinner, your church turns around and loves the sin and whats more has made peace with the sin of Homosexuality.
I browswed your web site and there is no mention of well anything other than seeker friendlyness. No Trinity, No Jesus is God, Certainly no mention of Hell, Nada..... You have no credibility.... If you read the Bible, you would see that homosexuality is a sin. Try reading it sometime...

Now do I really need to say more?


What a crock of fertiliser, friend. I have studied the bible for well over 30 years. I have doctoral degrees in both theology and comparative religions.

The Gospel of Christ is not simply in the teachings of Jesus but in the life he lived, a life of loving acceptance of those the righteous of his time had also declared beyond the pale. More simply, the Anglican Church International picks up the pieces left when you lot have finished shattering people, people made in God's image and likeness.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International
http://www.theanglicanchurchinternational.org/