Should Homosexuals Adopt Children ?

[peace4all]

LOL, Jesus was no "pro-choice" liberal.



There's nothing stopping a non-sterile homosexual from "having a child". That's impossible for a homosexual couple to achieve.

The standards for adoption should be the strictest of all - two parents, one male one female, nice house, high income, etc.

Any deviation from that should be a disqualifier.

yet again.

Another example of a "Christian" that weights one sin over all others, and claims that one sin is worse.

btw, Lewis, in case you forgot..

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[kiwimac]

SputnikBoy,

You should read before posting. I'm not going to defend anyone here. But do you know anything about the ACI? If not I ask that you study it, then come back with input on why Jg feels so strongly as he does.

I have a question kiwimac?
Why are most of your bishops gay? It's a valid question. I'll post a link with all the bishops in the ACI who have come out openly in public and stated they were gay, and this was accepted by the ACI. But, I would like to hear your opnion before I judge it. Because then I will judge it.

Oh by the way Jesus did have fellowship with prostitutes as He did with Mary. But He also told her to go and SIN NO MORE.

Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

And what does the very next verse say??

Jhn 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Mary became closer to Christ. Even anoiting His feet with precious oils. Because He forgave her. But if she refused to listen to Jesus. What would have happened? She would have continued to live in darkness.

Some go as far to teach that Jesus slept with Mary. We have a right to call these people a cult because of their teachings. Well help me understand why the ACI accepts homosexuality before I judge you and say it's a cult?

These are valid questions that should be answered. Coming from someone who calls themself a priest with the ACI should be able to vouch that these are questions that Need an ANSWER!!

Meant to add last night that the identification of Mary Magdalene with the woman taken in adultery has no scriptural evidence to support it.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International

 

[Oscar3]

Hello
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

This one word describes much of what paul is saying.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, Its a duck

4202 πορνεία [porneia /por·ni·ah/] n f. From 4203; TDNT 6:579; TDNTA 918; GK 4518; 26 occurrences; AV translates as “fornication†26 times. 1 illicit sexual intercourse. 1a adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. 1b sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18. 1c sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12. 2 metaph. the worship of idols. 2a of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols.

 

[JM]

kiwimac, is the ACI a schismatic Church?

 

[kiwimac]

Oscar3

Please show me where I or any other Anglican cleric say beastiality is ok. If you cannot, I give you 24 hours to retract this statement and remove it or I will take legal action against both you personally and this site.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International

 

[Oscar3]

Oscar3

Please show me where I or any other Anglican cleric say beastiality is ok. If you cannot, I give you 24 hours to retract this statement and remove it or I will take legal action against both you personally and this site.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International

Like I said, your threats don't scare me, but I DID go overboard with my statement.
I retract this statement and I appologize for offending you.
Good night.

 

[Atonement]

Please show me where I or any other Anglican cleric say beastiality is ok. If you cannot, I give you 24 hours to retract this statement and remove it or I will take legal action against both you personally and this site.

If you read in context:

4202 πορνεία [porneia /por·ni·ah/] n f. From 4203; TDNT 6:579; TDNTA 918; GK 4518; 26 occurrences; AV translates as “fornication†26 times. 1 illicit sexual intercourse. 1a adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. 1b sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18. 1c sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12. 2 metaph. the worship of idols. 2a of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols.

What Oscar was doing, was showing you what the word πορνεία meant, and you picked up on one meaning of the word?? What about the others? Are they less offensive? Neither one of these has a place in a ture Christian Church. We accept the sinner as they are, but to continue to live in that lifestyle and being accepted by the Church is a cult. No other way around it.. The Church should encourage the sinner to repent, repent and repent.. You do understand the meaning of the word REPENT?? being a priest and all, I'll assume you do. Oscar you have nothing to retract, you stated what a word meant, and this yo yo priest took it out of context..

 

[kiwimac]

kiwimac, is the ACI a schismatic Church?

No, it is not. The ACI is technically an "Independent Old Catholic Church" (I will post a link concerning the OCC at the end of this post.) The ACi springs out of the concerns the Founding Bishop (Hugh Strickland) had when he saw the pain in the lives of folk who were, for various reasons, excluded from their local churches.

So part of our raison d'etre comes from the life of Jesus where our Lord fellowshipped with all manner of folk, we do likewise. I am happy to discuss ACi doctrine but I am aware that it might break the site TOS so if you like you can email me directly.

The Old Catholic Church

The Old Catholic Church is a community of Christian churches. Many of these were German-speaking churches of laypersons and clergymen who split from the Roman Catholic Church in the 1870s because of the promulgation of the dogma of Papal Infallibility as promoted by the First Vatican Council of 1869–1870. The term 'Old Catholic' was first used in 1853 to describe the members of the See of Utrecht, who were not under Papal authority. While the European Old Catholic Churches are a part of the Union of Utrecht, there are many more that are independent, especially in the United States.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International
emailiftucoops@kriocoudek.mailexpire.com

 

[kiwimac]

What Oscar was doing, was showing you what the word πορνεία meant, and you picked up on one meaning of the word?? What about the others? Are they less offensive? Neither one of these has a place in a ture Christian Church. We accept the sinner as they are, but to continue to live in that lifestyle and being accepted by the Church is a cult. No other way around it.. The Church should encourage the sinner to repent, repent and repent.. You do understand the meaning of the word REPENT?? being a priest and all, I'll assume you do. Oscar you have nothing to retract, you stated what a word meant, and this yo yo priest took it out of context..

No, I am sorry Atonement what Oscar said was the following:

( In other words be careful of the Anglican priest whos name is Ray and all the other preist, bishops, false tachers of the anglican church, because some of the demonic doctrine they teach is that it is ok, for men to have sex with animals)

That is not a discussion of the word porneia. That, Atonement, is libel in that Oscar is suggesting that I PERSONALLY teach that beastiality is OK.


Furthermore Jesus, when he lived among us, did not continually yell repent at people, why? because it is counter-productive, instead he lived with the folk that he ministered to, got alongside them, became friends with them. That is a much more useful way to 'preach' the Good News of Christ.

 

[Atonement]

Furthermore Jesus, when he lived among us, did not continually yell repent at people, why? because it is counter-productive, instead he lived with the folk that he ministered to, got alongside them, became friends with them. That is a much more useful way to 'preach' the Good News of Christ.

Do you believe the Bible is the true living Word of God?
Because if you do you will know that the word repent occurs 46 times in 43 verses:

Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and

throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Has my point been proven or do I need to quote more?? Don't tell me repenting was not a issue because it's infact commanded that we do so.

 

[kiwimac]

Do you believe the Bible is the true living Word of God?
Because if you do you will know that the word repent occurs 46 times in 43 verses:

No, I do not because John 1:1, tells me that the Word of God is Jesus Christ.

 

[jgredline]

No, I do not because John 1:1, tells me that the Word of God is Jesus Christ.

:o :o :o :o

 

[Lewis]

Furthermore Jesus, when he lived among us, did not continually yell repent at people, why? because it is counter-productive, instead he lived with the folk that he ministered to, got alongside them, became friends with them. That is a much more useful way to 'preach' the Good News of Christ.

That is true' but he still was against the homosexual sin. The Bible says that being gay is a abomination to mankind. The Bible does not condone being gay' nowhere in it. So lets just stop this garbage right now. And for gay people to adopt a child or children' would have been death in Biblical times' Old and New Testament times. And as a matter of fact they would have killed you if they found out that you were gay anyway. So you would not have the chance to adopt a child' because you would be dead. Old and New Testament times. But today we can't do that' and I am ok with that. I have about 4 gays in my family and I am close to one of them more than the others, and I don't want him dead. But God did not change. The Bible says I am the Lord I change not. So do you really think that God went back on his word ? Only a fool would think so. What He says is finale. Homosexuals is a abomination to mankind. And it does not matter what you think. Because if it does not line up with God it is garbage. Did you all hear me' (garbage). So take that homosexuals will make it to heaven' type attitude somewhere else' because it does not go over big here. And if some don't like how I put this' so what. Because if the Bible says that it is wrong' I will say that it is wrong. Case closed' unless someone wants to take this further.

 

[kiwimac]

Lewis,

Please point me to one thing that Jesus said about homosexuality.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International

 

[jgredline]

No, I do not because John 1:1, tells me that the Word of God is Jesus Christ.

ok
correct me if I am wrong. by your answer, it appears that you are a Jesus only kind of guy... This makes sense. In your statement of faith you describe God as manefestations. Modalism. By believing this way Pauls letters and the OT basically have no meaning or are uninspired. Am I close? By believing this way, you can justify a lifestyle such as homosexuality or porneia...
Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Lewis]

Lewis,

Please point me to one thing that Jesus said about homosexuality.

Rev. Ray McIntyre,
Priest
Anglican Church International

Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law. Jesus also said I and the Father are one. So when did God take back His Word that being gay is a abomination. There are 613 laws and that is in there. the sacrificial laws are done away with' but the moral ones still stand.

 

[kiwimac]

You obviously missed the bit where I spoke praisingly of Paul's writings.

As for the OT. Paul himself says it best

(Gal 2:16 EMTV) knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law; because no flesh shall be justified by the works of the law.

Further

(Gal 3:10 EMTV) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all the things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

(Gal 3:11 EMTV) But that no one is justified by the law before God is evident, for "The just shall live by faith."

(Gal 3:12 EMTV) But the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."

(Gal 3:13 EMTV) Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us, for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,"

(Gal 3:14 EMTV) so that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

(Gal 3:15 EMTV) Brothers, I speak in human fashion: A covenant is of a man, yet having been confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.

(Gal 3:16 EMTV) Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises spoken. He does not say, "And to seeds,"as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed,"who is Christ.

(Gal 3:17 EMTV) And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, does not annul the covenant previously confirmed to Christ by God, so that it make the promise of no effect.

(Gal 3:18 EMTV) For if the inheritance comes by the law, it is no longer of promise; but God has given it to Abraham by promise.

(Gal 3:19 EMTV) Why then the law? It was added on account of transgressions, until the Seed should come to whom it had been promised; and it was commanded through angels by the hand of a mediator.

(Gal 3:20 EMTV) Now the mediator is not for one person, but God is one.

(Gal 3:21 EMTV) Therefore, is the law against the promises of God? By no means! For if a law had been given which was able to give life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.

(Gal 3:22 EMTV) But the Scripture has confined all under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

(Gal 3:23 EMTV) But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, having been hemmed in for the faith which was to be revealed.

(Gal 3:24 EMTV) Therefore the law has become our custodian, leading us to Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.

(Gal 3:25 EMTV) But after faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian.

(Gal 3:26 EMTV) For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

(Gal 3:27 EMTV) For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

(Gal 3:28 EMTV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

(Gal 3:29 EMTV) And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Paul also says quite clearly that if we as Christians attempt to keep any part of the law we place ourselves back under it and must keep it all.

The OT is part of the Bible, it is part of the record of God's dealings with humanity but the laws of the OT are not binding on us.

 

[jgredline]

That is true' but he still was against the homosexual sin. The Bible says that being gay is a abomination to mankind. The Bible does not condone being gay' nowhere in it. So lets just stop this garbage right now. And for gay people to adopt a child or children' would have been death in Biblical times' Old and New Testament times. And as a matter of fact they would have killed you if they found out that you were gay anyway. So you would not have the chance to adopt a child' because you would be dead. Old and New Testament times. But today we can't do that' and I am ok with that. I have about 4 gays in my family and I am close to one of them more than the others, and I don't want him dead. But God did not change. The Bible says I am the Lord I change not. So do you really think that God went back on his word ? Only a fool would think so. What He says is finale. Homosexuals is a abomination to mankind. And it does not matter what you think. Because if it does not line up with God it is garbage. Did you all hear me' (garbage). So take that homosexuals will make it to heaven' type attitude somewhere else' because it does not go over big here. And if some don't like how I put this' so what. Because if the Bible says that it is wrong' I will say that it is wrong. Case closed' unless someone wants to take this further.

AMEN my brother.


You can take lewis out of phily, but you can't take the phily out of lewis and I love it :

 

[Lewis]

Romans 1 read it. Paul said that' they are worthy of DEATH.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[jgredline]

So Kiwi
Are you a Jesus only kinda guy? You forgot to answer that part of the question