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Should women be allowed to preach?

Should women be allowed to preach?

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1. 1 Corinthians 11:8-9, “For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.â€Â

2. 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, “Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

3. 1 Timothy 2:8-15, “I will therefore that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, was in the transgression. Notwithstanding, she shall be saved in child bearing if she continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.ââ¬Â
 
if its in a church, then no, they should not.
 
belovedwolfofgod said:
if its in a church, then no, they should not.
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The role of women is quite clear. Why else would kitchens, stoves, washing machines, brooms, mops, nurseries, babies, etc. have been invented? The purpose of being female is basically to cater to the every whim of the male. At least God allowed them to live ...they should be eternally grateful and submissive. Debate over. So sayeth the Bible. :wink:
 
:lol: not quite.

While I do not think that women are called to be pastors/priests, the Scriptures do not say that women are to "cater to the every whim" of men.

St. Paul gives a good balance of the dynamic between women and men. Women submit as the Church submits to Christ, and men love women as Christ does the Church (that is, they ought to sacrifice their lives). This creates a pretty awesome balance and mutuality between men and women, especially as regards husbands-wives.
 
Well, being able to prophesy will have to be satisfaction enough since it is held in very high regard according to new testament scripture, it sure is mentioned alot more than the (one) time that "pastor" is. Btw, my head is covered with hair.:-D

Joel 2:28
"It will happen afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters will prophesy. Your old men will dream dreams. Your young men will see visions.

Also funny how when our old church went belly up into apsotasy it was the woman who were the only ones who were seeing it or saying anything about it. :-?
 
I believe that women should only be allowed to teach other women. In some instances they can teach children up to a certain age too. All in accordance with with 1 Timothy 2:11-12 which says that women should not teach or have authority over men.

2. 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, “Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
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I believe you're taking this verse out of context. In Corinthians it also speaks of women prophesying and using their spiritual gifts in the church and doesn't condemn it.

1 Corinthians 11:5 - And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her headâ€â€it is just as though her head were shaved.

We can see in chapter 11 that Corinthian women had some behavioral problems that men did not have, and we have to consider the possibility that this might be true in chapter 14, too. We do not think that Paul unfairly singled women out; we therefore conclude that women were the ones who happened to be causing a problem in Corinth by talking and asking questions. Since Greco-Roman culture gave men many opportunities for public meetings, but women had few, it is to be expected that women would have the most problems in what was for them a new situation. L. Ann Jervis writes, “Paul evidently singled out ‘the women’ here simply because in his eyes, they were the culprits in the situationâ€Â

In Corinthian culture, women were not allowed to confront their husbands in public. Apparently, some of the women who had become Christians thought that their freedom gave them the right to question the men or their husbands in public worship. This was causing division in the church. In addition, many women of that day did not recieve formal religious education as did the men. Women may have been raising questions in the worship questions that could've been answered at home without disrupting services. Paul was asking the women not to flaunt their Christian freedom during worship. The purpose of Paul's words was to promote unity, not to teach about women's role in the church.


http://www.wcg.org/lit/church/ministry/women9.htm
 
If God anoints a women to spread the Gospel, whats the problem ?
Who is anyone on this earth to tell the Holy Ghost, who He can't anoint to preach. That statement up there in the post above this one, about women should only be able to teach other woman, is not a good statement at all.
God will use who ever he wants. And men just need to stop this garbage about women staying out of the pulpit. Are not women Gods people too ? Just as I thought, so whats the problem ? I am thrilled to have people like Paula White, Joyce Meyer, and the other anointed powerful women of God. And you know what the women that God anoints He uses. And they do great work for Him.
And also there are more women in the church than men, and thats a fact.
And men have the nerve to stand up there, and say that the anointed women of God should not preach. If it were not for the women where would the church be ? While men were out doing their own agenda, I included, the women were holding up the church. And that is a documented fact, and I have seen it with my own eyes. And I still see it. It is a crazy thing to say that a woman can teach the Gospel but can't preach the Gospel. I ain't buying that standing up or lying down. and one more thing women will except god faster than most men. And I do know the feelings of some of the men on this board about this issue. But this is the way I see it and the way I feel about it.
 
If God anoints a women to spread the Gospel, whats the problem ?
Who is anyone on this earth to tell the Holy Ghost, who He can't anoint to preach. That statement up there in the post above this one, about women should only be able to teach other woman, is not a good statement at all.
God will use who ever he wants. And men just need to stop this garbage about women staying out of the pulpit. Are not women Gods people too ? Just as I thought, so whats the problem ? I am thrilled to have people like Paula White, Joyce Meyer, and the other anointed powerful women of God. And you know what the women that God anoints He uses. And they do great work for Him.
And also there are more women in the church than men, and thats a fact.
And men have the nerve to stand up there, and say that the anointed women of God should not preach. If it were not for the women where would the church be ? While men were out doing their own agenda, I included, the women were holding up the church. And that is a documented fact, and I have seen it with my own eyes. And I still see it. It is a crazy thing to say that a woman can teach the Gospel but can't preach the Gospel. I ain't buying that standing up or lying down. and one more thing women will except god faster than most men. And I do know the feelings of some of the men on this board about this issue. But this is the way I see it and the way I feel about it.
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I agree that God will use any/everyone to accomplish his will. But the Word says that women should not have the authority to teach over men for a reason and I believe a lot of it just has to do with the simple fact that its just the way things are. I mean its the same reason why in my lifetime, I dont believe we'll ever see a woman in the white house. You can believe what you want and be pro women and all for that, but the final say so for you and for all other believers should be God, and he lays down firmly and clearly what he desires our places to be. This isn't even a grey area! If you were led to Christ by a woman, and you have a female minister at your church no one, atleast i'm not condemning you or her for it, but why don't you ask her about the verses that speak on women not teaching over men? Most people try to rationalize the words away by saying times were different back then and men were chauvanistic, but God's Word is alive and its applications can be applied to ALL times. It's the Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth (BIBLE) and if you don't believe that part, then pray about it, fast on it, and ask God to shed some wisdom on to you. Have you read any of the verses? Do you just ignore them, or what is your explanation for them?


And i'm not saying that women cannot spread the gospel, we're all called to do that. Just look at the tag team Acts speaks of. Apollos and Priscilla. All i'm saying is that the minister/leader of a church BIBLICALLY, should not be a woman. If you disagree take it out on the author of the idea (God).
 
The Bible shows that God's pattern, order, and norm for the sexes must allow for the prominent, public, and significant contribution of women. From Eve, the mother of us all, to Mary, the mother of our Savior, the women of the Bible form that complementary, interdependent half of our humanity apart from which man would have no existence or hope of heaven. Furthermore, a survey of the roles that women have played in history reveals the depth and richness of their contribution.

Miriam was a prophetess, and along with her brothers Moses and Aaron shared the leadership of Israel (Mic. 6:4).

Deborah was a prophetess and judge of Israel who resolved disputes with the wisdom of God (Judg. 4:4). During her service, another woman named Jael was used by God to kill an enemy king (4:21).

Abigail, who eventually became a wife of David, distinguished herself when she acted against the wishes of her evil husband, Nabal, and thereby saved herself and her household (1 Sam. 25).

Esther was a queen who, by her courage and cleverness, was used by God to save her people.

Huldah was a prophetess of Israel who spoke words of judgment to a delegation of men that included Hilkiah the priest (2 Ki. 22:14).

Daughters of Israel will be among the prophets of the last day, according to Peter who quoted from the prophet Joel (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:17-18).

New Testament prophetesses include Anna (Luke 2:36) and the daughters of Philip (Acts 21:8-9).

Mary Magdalene and a number of other women were counted among Jesus' close friends and were the first to be met by Jesus after His resurrection (Matt. 28:1-10; Mark 16:9).

Mary and Martha were also among Jesus' close friends. Mary, at a time when women did not receive instruction from rabbis, was commended by Jesus for attentively listening to and being taught by Him while her sister Martha busied herself with more domestic details (Luke 10:38-42).

Priscilla and her husband Aquila achieved honorable mention when together they taught Apollos the doctrine of Christ (Acts 18).

Phoebe was recognized by Paul as a servant and helper not only to the church at Cenchrea but to him as well (Rom. 16:1).

Junia(s) is possibly a woman who along with Andronicus is said by Paul to be "of note among the apostles" (Rom. 16:7).
 
lol shouldn't I be the one arguing that women should be able to preach and you should be arguing that they shouldn't?
 
Yup, LOL. My thing is when the Holy Ghost anoints you to do something then thats what you do. In this subject it is women preachers. And millions of souls are being lead to the Jesus, by these women. That says a lot right there.
 
"Women are under-appreciated and under-utilized in the church. There are many gifted women who might very well do a better job at preaching and teaching than many men. However, it isn't gifting that is the issue, but God's order and calling. What does the Bible say? We cannot come to God's word with a social agenda and make it fit our wants. Instead, we must change and adapt to what it says.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, the garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve. He put Adam in the garden and gave him the authority to name all the animals. Afterwards, God made Eve as a helper to Adam. This is an important concept because Paul refers to the order of creation in his epistle to Timothy when he discusses the relationship between men and women in the church context. Let's take a look.
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression" (1 Tim. 2:12-14).

This passage has several interesting areas of discussion, but for our purpose we will focus on authority. At the very least, there is an authority structure set up by God. The woman is not to have authority over the man in the church context. But this does not extend to the political/economic world. In the Old Testament Deborah was a judge in Israel over men. Also, in the New Testament, Phoebe played an important role in the church at Cenchrea (Romans 16). There is no doubt that women supported Paul in many areas and were great helpers in the church (Act 2:17; 18:24; 21:8). But what Paul is speaking of in 1 Tim. 2 is the relationship between men and women in the church structure, not in a social or political context.


In each case, the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is instructed to be male. He is the husband of one wife, responsible, able to "exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). We see no command for the overseers to be women. On the contrary, women are told to be "dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things" (1 Tim. 3:11). Why is it that it is the men who are singled out as the overseers? It is because of the created order of God that Paul references (Gen. 1-2; 1 Tim. 2:12-14). This is not merely a social custom that fell away with ancient Israel.


Additionally, in the Old Testament in over 700 mentions of priests, every single one was a male. There is not one instance of a female priest. This is significant because priests were ordained by God to hold a very important office of ministering the sacrifices. This was not the job of women.
Therefore, from what I see in Genesis 1-2, 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, the normal and proper person to hold the office of elder/pastor is to be a man.

Male leadership does not belittle women. Jesus was given his authority by God the Father (Matt. 28:18). He was sent by God (John 6:38). He said the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). Did this belittle Jesus? Of course not. Women are of great value in the church and need to be used more and more according to the gifts given them.


Does the wife's submission to the husband mean that she is less than the husband, less important, or belittled? Again, not at all. Not having a place of leadership in the church does not mean a woman is less of a person, less important to God, or inferior. All are equal before God whether it be Jew, Gentile, free, slave, male, or female. But in the church, God has set up an order the same way he set one up in the family. The chain of command is Jesus, the man, the wife, and the children.



What About Women Who Say They are Called By God to Be Pastors?

There are women pastors in the world who love their congregations and have stated that they are called by God to be pastors. Of course, I cannot agree with this considering the previous analysis of the biblical position. Instead, I believe they have unsurped the position of men and gone against the norm of scriptural revelation. Additionally, those who state that they are called by God because of the great job they are doing and the gifting they have received are basing their theology upon experience and not scripture.
The issue is simple: are they submitting to the word of God or are they making the word of God submit to their desires?


Nuff said.

http://www.carm.org/questions/womenpastors.htm
 
SputnikBoy said:
belovedwolfofgod said:
if its in a church, then no, they should not.
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The role of women is quite clear. Why else would kitchens, stoves, washing machines, brooms, mops, nurseries, babies, etc. have been invented? The purpose of being female is basically to cater to the every whim of the male. At least God allowed them to live ...they should be eternally grateful and submissive. Debate over. So sayeth the Bible. :wink:
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And the purpose of men is to love their wives like Christ loved the church. ;-)

Is your comment sarcastic, or do you believe the bible, Sputnik? :-?
 
DO YOU REALISE..

starbyfar said:
lol shouldn't I be the one arguing that women should be able to preach and you should be arguing that they shouldn't?
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..that "Emerging Churches" is a term to cover new forms of church?

Jesus said, "Whenever/wherever even 2/3 of you gather in My name, there I am in the midst of you"

In Acts, Paul regularly went into the public forums, where folk gather to talk @ whatever is new & happening

Like these here forums..

where your great posts have been helping to preach, teach & "prepare ALL God's people for the work of ministry"

Preaching essentially means proclaiming/declaring/sharing with a group

It inc 'gossiping the gospel'

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it was prophetess Hannah who was given the privilege of recognising & proclaiming Messiah in the temple when the baby Jesus was publicly dedicated to God 8-)

I'll never forget how, in homiletics classes at 2 international, inter-denominational evangelical Bible Colleges, the women students consistently made very valuable & inspiring impact in their practice preaching sessions

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And may I add, that it was a woman who lead me to the Lord. But let me get this right. A woman is to supposed shut her mouth, and not tell the world the good news of Jesus, is this what some of you are saying ? She can learn all about the Lord, read the Bible everyday, but keep it all to herself, does that make any sense? God is a sensible God. So we are to treat our Christian sisters like the Muslims treat their woman, and that is, sit down and shut up. Is this what I am being told here. God is the one using thses women, not any of you.
Is the Holy Ghost being called a lie. When He anoints these women to preach ?
Read this Scripture below carefully.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


But it was ok for God to use women in the Bible, but not today.
Jesus after He rose appeared to women first. Why wasn't it a man. I'll tell you why. Because we are all one to him. The man is the spiritual head of the family, he was given that. And the woman is second in that order. But the woman is also supposed to open her mouth about the goodness of the Lord. Why should she keep all that goodness in ? That is crazy.
 
Why should she keep all that goodness in ? That is crazy.
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Oooooh boy.... are you opening up a can of worms! :-D

You do realize that by advocating women to preach the Gospel, that you go against some verses in the bible....By doing so, you involuntarily cause the Word to not be true [aka 'inspired'] in some cases....

And just to reassure you, I too think that women's should preach to the church.... They have an insight that many men would do well to listen to...

But Starbyfar does have some valid texts regarding women that, if we place the same validity to inspiration [ 2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Concider this text-

"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression" (1 Tim. 2:12-14).

If we allow women to preach, then she does exercise authority over a man....even if only for a short time...which might be a good thing [said while looking around for the possible blow from a broom or a rock] :D

How do we rectify the problem of scripture then?
 
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression" (1 Tim. 2:12-14).

If we allow women to preach, then she does exercise authority over a man....even if only for a short time...which might be a good thing [said while looking around for the possible blow from a broom or a rock]
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No no no. If a womnen was given authority by God to lead a congregation, she is to be the eathly leader of that flock. Some people have women bosses on their jobs don't they. And should they tell their female bosses to take hike ?
The queen of a country in Biblical times everywhere had to be bowed to, man or women. Did the Bible tell them not to bow, so that they could get their heads cut off. I believe that when Pauls said it is a shame to let people speak in church, it was the custom, because otherwise it would be a contradiction.
Tell me something what about this stuff below.

Huldah was a prophetess of Israel who spoke words of judgment to a delegation of men that included Hilkiah the priest (2 Ki. 22:14).

Daughters of Israel will be among the prophets of the last day, according to Peter who quoted from the prophet Joel (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:17-18).

New Testament prophetesses include Anna (Luke 2:36) and the daughters of Philip (Acts 21:8-9).
 
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