Should women be allowed to preach?

[starbyfar]

And may I add, that it was a woman who lead me to the Lord. But let me get this right. A woman is to supposed shut her mouth, and not tell the world the good news of Jesus, is this what some of you are saying ? She can learn all about the Lord, read the Bible everyday, but keep it all to herself, does that make any sense? God is a sensible God. So we are to treat our Christian sisters like the Muslims treat their woman, and that is, sit down and shut up. Is this what I am being told here. God is the one using thses women, not any of you.
Is the Holy Ghost being called a lie. When He anoints these women to preach ?
Read this Scripture below carefully.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.




But it was ok for God to use women in the Bible, but not today.
Jesus after He rose appeared to women first. Why wasn't it a man. I'll tell you why. Because we are all one to him. The man is the spiritual head of the family, he was given that. And the woman is second in that order. But the woman is also supposed to open her mouth about the goodness of the Lord. Why should she keep all that goodness in ? That is crazy.

You really need to read what I posted instead of skimming and looking for key words. If you read my post, you would see that I did not say women should not preach the gospel or that we have to keep our mouths shut in all conversations involving the gospel. And I refered to that very verse in Galatians as an advocate of why we are ALL called to spread the good news. Women are not supposed to be the leaders of a church! If you disagree then please explain the verses I cited in which it is CLEAR that they are not ordained to be ministers or priests or what have you because you seem deadset on ignoring those and simply using your feminist ideology to refute it.

Also, in the New Testament, Phoebe played an important role in the church at Cenchrea (Romans 16). There is no doubt that women supported Paul in many areas and were great helpers in the church (Act 2:17; 18:24; 21:8). But what Paul is speaking of in 1 Tim. 2 is the relationship between men and women in the church structure, not in a social or political context.

So yes, women can be rulers or hold political office

In each case, the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is instructed to be male. He is the husband of one wife, responsible, able to "exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). We see no command for the overseers to be women. On the contrary, women are told to be "dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things" (1 Tim. 3:11). Why is it that it is the men who are singled out as the overseers? It is because of the created order of God that Paul references (Gen. 1-2; 1 Tim. 2:12-14). This is not merely a social custom that fell away with ancient Israel.


Additionally, in the Old Testament in over 700 mentions of priests, every single one was a male. There is not one instance of a female priest. This is significant because priests were ordained by God to hold a very important office of ministering the sacrifices. This was not the job of women.
Therefore, from what I see in Genesis 1-2, 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, the normal and proper person to hold the office of elder/pastor is to be a man.

Why are there no female priest in the bible?


Does the wife's submission to the husband mean that she is less than the husband, less important, or belittled? Again, not at all. Not having a place of leadership in the church does not mean a woman is less of a person, less important to God, or inferior. All are equal before God whether it be Jew, Gentile, free, slave, male, or female. But in the church, God has set up an order the same way he set one up in the family. The chain of command is Jesus, the man, the wife, and the children.




There are women pastors in the world who love their congregations and have stated that they are called by God to be pastors. Of course, I cannot agree with this considering the previous analysis of the biblical position. Instead, I believe they have unsurped the position of men and gone against the norm of scriptural revelation. Additionally, those who state that they are called by God because of the great job they are doing and the gifting they have received are basing their theology upon experience and not scripture.
The issue is simple: are they submitting to the word of God or are they making the word of God submit to their desires?

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This verse is often used to support the idea that women can hold the offices of elder and pastor because there is neither male nor female in Christ. The argument states that if we are all equal, then women can be pastors.
Unfortunately, those who use this verse this way have failed to read the context. Verse 23 talks about being under the Law "before faith came" and how we are brought closer to Jesus and have become sons of God by faith. We are no longer under law, but grace and we are "Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise," (v. 29).(2) The point of this passage is that we are all saved by God's grace according to the promise of God and that it doesn't matter who you are, Jew, Greek, slave, free, male, or female. All are saved the same way, by grace. In that, there is neither male nor female.
This verse is not talking about church structure. It is talking about salvation "in Christ." It cannot be used to support women as pastors because that isn't what it is talking about. Instead, to find out about church structure and leadership, you need to go to those passages that talk about it: 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1.

 

[Lewis]

starbyfar I am not angry at you or anything for saying how you see this subject.
Oh and check your PM I sent you.

 

[starbyfar]

..that "Emerging Churches" is a term to cover new forms of church?

Jesus said, "Whenever/wherever even 2/3 of you gather in My name, there I am in the midst of you"

In Acts, Paul regularly went into the public forums, where folk gather to talk @ whatever is new & happening

Like these here forums..

where your great posts have been helping to preach, teach & "prepare ALL God's people for the work of ministry"

Preaching essentially means proclaiming/declaring/sharing with a group

It inc 'gossiping the gospel'

Hi Mr. Versatile48,

Yes, Jesus did explain that church can be 2 or 3 people, but this is not what Paul is speaking of. The churches in Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, and what have you were not complaining that women in their personal discussions at home or in groups of 2/3 where preaching too much. This was speaking of a meeting where many, i'm not sure how many, but enough to need elders and different people to handle aspects and tasks.

Yes, I agree with your definition of preaching. I have posted a lot on this board, most of which is aimed at helping others understand my interpretation of the word and also to gain knowledge from more mature Christians, but you won't ever see me initiate a chat room on this or any other board so that I can prepare a lesson plan and try to teach the word to a group of men. It goes against God's word no matter how anyone tries to justify the actions of women pastors. Now, i'm not saying that these women are influenced by the devil to do this and blah blah they're going to hell.... All i'm saying is that it goes against what is taught in the bible.

 

[SputnikBoy]

if its in a church, then no, they should not.

The role of women is quite clear. Why else would kitchens, stoves, washing machines, brooms, mops, nurseries, babies, etc. have been invented? The purpose of being female is basically to cater to the every whim of the male. At least God allowed them to live ...they should be eternally grateful and submissive. Debate over. So sayeth the Bible. :wink:

And the purpose of men is to love their wives like Christ loved the church. ;-)

Is your comment sarcastic, or do you believe the bible, Sputnik? :-?

Yes and yes.

HOWEVER, not EVERY word in the Bible is to be taken literally. :fadein:

 

[Steve]

No, they should NOT be allowed to preach. And I am quite militant about that. :smt027

 

[Lewis]

No, they should NOT be allowed to preach. And I am quite militant about that. :smt027

And tell me why ? It's your turn.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

I do not believe women should preach in a church because it is unbiblical. I am a man who has a great deal of respect and love for women. In fact I at one time struggled with my faith because I thought the Bible was sexist toward women; however, after much more study and actually reading the entire Bible I came to understand that women are loved and respected by God and the Bible is not sexist toward them. The fact of the matter is we all have a role in the church and in the body of Christ. Each role is vastly important and just because someone is a pastor that does not make them any better, or more spiritual or what not, then someone who is not a pastor.

If you need more explanation then well…look at the post by starbyfar. She is defiantly more knowledgeable about the Bible then I am. I hope to one day be as knowledgeable and with God’s help I know I can be.

I personally believe that the reason that a lot more people today believe women should be allowed to preach in church is due to ones emotions on the matter and not correct Biblical interpretation. Even though women are not to be preachers in the church that does not mean they are not still supposed to proclaim the gospel to the world. The Matthew 28:18-20 mandate applies to all Christians regardless of race or gender.

 

[Lewis]

Read here.
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/womspeak.html

 

[Lewis]

Well did anybody go to that link above, and read it ?