Signs in the heavens

[guysmith]

Bible prophecy contains several periods of time. God uses catchphrases to help us identify these periods of time. In this case, He uses these "signs" in the heavens repeatedly to identify at period of time which takes place after the Tribulation period......

Matthew 24: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

......but before the "day of the Lord.

Joel 2: 30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

Guy

 

[guysmith]

Based on the OP, we now know when the sixth seal will occur.

Revelation 6:12
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Guy

 

[D4Christ]

The signs you describe, the sun, moon, stars, etc precede the Day of the Lord. These signs annunce the DOL and consequently signal the time of our rapture.

 

[guysmith]

We know that the GT has a 3 1/2 year duration recognized in Revelation as 1260 days.

Revelation 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

And we know that the first resurrection occurs on the DOTL at the beginning of the millennium.

Revelation 20:4-6
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So if we want to find the duration of this obscure period which lies between the GT and the DOTL, we need to find a passage which describes the GT, the DOTL and a duration which lies between the GT and the DOTL. And to that search we have the description of the two witnesses which contains all three period.

1. The two witnesses will witness for 1260 days of the GT.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

2. Their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days after the 1260 days of the GT.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

3. Then after their bodies have laid in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days they are resurrected which takes place on the DOTL.

Revelation 11:11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

So, the period which lies between the GT and the DOTL and is recognized in scripture as a time when the moon will turn to blood and the sun blackened, has a duration of 3 1/2 days.

Guy

 

[Adstar]

I don't think the scriptures are saying that the moon will turn blood red for an exact duration of 3 and a half years.

It will happen but the duration of each event foretold is not firmly announced.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[guysmith]

Adstar,

You stated: I don't think the scriptures are saying that the moon will turn blood red for an exact duration of 3 and a half years.

My response: I agree. I do not know how long the moon will turn blood red. My guess is 3 1/2 days, the amount of time that the two witnesses lie in the streets of Jerusalem.

Guy

 

[Vic C.]

Some things to consider when reading Apocalyptic literature.

Understanding Apocalyptic Literature - Into Thy Word

Also remember that that the writing style of Revelation is not unique in light of other Apocalyptic literature during Biblical times.

 

[guysmith]

Here is how I see it. The trib is 7 years. There are 365 days in a year. 7 x 365= 2555 days.

1. The DOTL is .................................................. .............1 day
2. The Moon Red/Sun Black is 3 1/2 days rounded up to.......4 days
3. The GT .................................................. ...............1260 days
4. The first half of the tribulation Daniel 12: 11 .............+1290 days
Total............................................. .............................2555 days
Guy

 

[Adstar]

Adstar,

You stated: I don't think the scriptures are saying that the moon will turn blood red for an exact duration of 3 and a half years.

My response: I agree. I do not know how long the moon will turn blood red. My guess is 3 1/2 days, the amount of time that the two witnesses lie in the streets of Jerusalem.

Guy

Ok. But if what i believe is true it will be longer than a few days. I believe the signs will be caused by a meteor stiking the earth so it may last a few months.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[jasoncran]

Ok. But if what i believe is true it will be longer than a few days. I believe the signs will be caused by a meteor stiking the earth so it may last a few months.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

i am curious if the meteor is that large, how would any life survive?

and if its the whole earth that sees that then what?

 

[guysmith]

Jason,

You stated: i am curious if the meteor is that large, how would any life survive?

and if its the whole earth that sees that then what?

My response: Matthew 24:21,22
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Guy

 

[jasoncran]

Jason,

You stated: i am curious if the meteor is that large, how would any life survive?

and if its the whole earth that sees that then what?

My response: Matthew 24:21,22
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Guy

hello that would include the elect and the christians. when the mt.st helens volcano erupted the tempature of the whole earth rose 1 degree f.

imagine when the moon was turned red, and how hot it would be.

and the day of the lord has occured,

see acts 2.

something about the holy spirit coming spoken of joel 2:28

 

[Adstar]

i am curious if the meteor is that large, how would any life survive?

and if its the whole earth that sees that then what?

The bible states:

Matthew 24
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

So the effects would lead to the deaths of all mankind on earth. But Matthew 24, 22 states that those days will be shortened so that not all flesh will die. So it is the intervention of God that will remove the effects after a certain time.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Adstar]

Jason,

You stated: i am curious if the meteor is that large, how would any life survive?

and if its the whole earth that sees that then what?

My response: Matthew 24:21,22
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Guy

LOL you got the scriptures in first i read your post after i posted mine.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Adstar]

hello that would include the elect and the christians. when the mt.st helens volcano erupted the tempature of the whole earth rose 1 degree f.

imagine when the moon was turned red, and how hot it would be.

and the day of the lord has occured,

see acts 2.

something about the holy spirit coming spoken of joel 2:28

The Day of the Lord did not happen in acts 2 Peter was referring to the last days the last days started then but the last days are not the Day of the Lord. The signs given have not yet occurred.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[jasoncran]

The bible states:

Matthew 24
22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

So the effects would lead to the deaths of all mankind on earth. But Matthew 24, 22 states that those days will be shortened so that not all flesh will die. So it is the intervention of God that will remove the effects after a certain time.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

acts 2

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

hmm odd peter seems to disagree and says this not longer after the lords return to heaven and fifty days within that(pentacost) that it happened.

how does that fit in with the tribulation?

seeing that in some part of fullness its done?

 

[guysmith]

Hello Jason,

Here is what we do know.
1. Christ stated in Matthew 24 that the events which lead up to His return are as follows:
.....A. The GT/AC.
.....B. The moon to blood and sun blackened "immediately" after the GT.
.....C. The DOTL.
2. The Acts 2: 17-21 speech (containing moon to blood and sun blackened) took place on Penecost some 40 days after Christ's assention.
3. John, some 60 years after Peters speech, wrote Revelation describing the GT, the AC and the sixth seal (moon to blood and sun blackened) as still future events.

Now, if Peter, in his speech, implied that the "moon to blood and sun blackened" occured sometime after Christ's crucifiction but before pentecost, then that would mean that the GT and the AC's rule had to occur while Christ was alive. Is there any evidence you are aware of that the GT and the AC's rule occured during Christ's time? If not, then Peters quote of Joel 2 could not have been implying that the "moon to blood and sun blackened" had happened in the days shortly after Christ crucifiction.

Now, there are those that feel that the siege on Jerusalem fulfilled the GT prophecy in Matthew 24. If this were true then the "moon to blood and sun blackened" event would have occured "immediately" after the Jerusalem's fall. The problem with this is that John stated, some 20-30 after the fall of Jerusalem, that the "moon to blood and sun blackened" event, was still in the future. So, unless "immediately" doesn't mean immediately, then the "moon to blood and sun blackened" event didn't occur shortly after the fall of Jerusalem.

For that matter, all of John's Revelation visions (which include descriptions of the AC and the GT) took place 20 -30 years after the fall of Jerusalem. And if this is the case, then the fall of Jerusalem was not the GT and the General that sacrificed a pig on the temple's alter was not the AC.

Guy

 

[reba]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[jasoncran]

the problem with that idea of is that the amount of life destroyed

think about no sun for days,

how long would it take for life to die off?

within a few days, and not to mention the greenhouse effect.

and i think it would way more then the third of the sea that died. as most of 02 comes from the sea, not the amazon.

 

[reba]

Cant find anitchrist in Matt nope ya sure cant


If the sun is dark we wont see the moon. Its light is only a reflection correct?