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Sixteen Crucified saviors

Jesus of Nazareth is the ONLY person amongst the millions of others who have ever been crucified that fulfills EVERY messianic prophecy od the Old Testament scriptures.

Jesus of Nazareth is the ONLY person to have been born in Bethlehem of Judaea that fulfills EVERY messianic prophecy.

He is the ONLY descendent of David to have fulfilled EVERY messianic prophecy.

No other person called Y'shuah (a common name at the time) fulfilled EVERY Messianic Prophecy.
 
not really

evanman said:
Jesus of Nazareth is the ONLY person amongst the millions of others who have ever been crucified that fulfills EVERY messianic prophecy od the Old Testament scriptures.
Jesus did not fulfill any Messianic prophecies. The prophecies you are familiar with WERE NOT considered prophecies at the time. You can prove it to yourself by reading more than the passage you memorized. There were Messianic prophecies but Jesus did not fulfill them.Here is a link that will fully explain why Jesus is not accepted by the Jews. Remember the prophecies you are familiar with were not prophecies at the time. Passages were pulled out at a later date to create the myth of Jesus .
http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philos ... Jesus$.asp


Jesus of Nazareth is the ONLY person to have been born in Bethlehem of Judaea that fulfills EVERY messianic prophecy.

He is the ONLY descendent of David to have fulfilled EVERY messianic prophecy.
You see he can't be a decendent of David since God is supposedly the father. The term "seed" is a physical link. You can't have it both ways"

No other person called Y'shuah (a common name at the time) fulfilled EVERY Messianic Prophecy.
You have been misled and you can prove it too yourself if you do the homework.
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Jews don't believe in this. If you look at their websites, you will find out why they think that Jesus was a false messiah. The following website lays out its objection among 7 points: http://www.aish.com/spirituality/philosophy/Why_Dont_Jews_Believe_In_Jesus$.asp -

1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.

4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology

6) Jews and Gentiles

7) Bringing the Messiah

Quath
 
Jews do and did believe Jesus is the Messiah. Read the New Testament. Who wrote it? 8 of the 9 authors were Jews!

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Gary_Bee said:
Jews do and did believe Jesus is the Messiah. Read the New Testament. Who wrote it? 8 of the 9 authors were Jews!
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8 Jews do not represent the Jewish people as a whole. Look at what modern Jews say about Jesus if you want to see problems with the prophesies.

Quath
 
And if the gospels are to believed then most of Jews didn't seem to keen on Jesus either.

The didn't seem too convinced, given they wanted him killed.
 
Were the early Christians converts from Judaism? Were they ex-Jews?

Read the Book of Acts. Acts 1-11

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... also look at the statistics....

Gilbert also held that in CE 300 there were probably at least three million Jews living in the Roman empire of whom a million resided west of Macedonia (Gilbert 1992:17). If Gilbert was accurate, then a plausible hypothesis for explaining this change, from 6 million to 3 million over the course of 250 years, would include the conversions of significant numbers of Jews to Judeo-Christianity.

Stark, who opts for this phenomenon, argues that Jews as a population were the primary source of Christian converts well into the second century and they remained a viable source of converts well into the late fourth or early fifth centuries (Stark 1996:138). He stressed that Jewish Christianity: "...played a central role until much later in the rise of Christianityâ€â€that not only was it the Jews of the Diaspora who provided the initial basis for church growth during the first and early second centuries, but that Jews continued as a significant source of Christian converts until at least as late as the fourth century and that Jewish Christianity was still significant in the fifth century" (Stark 1996:49).
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Source: http://www.bibarch.com/The%20First%20Ch ... RomWld.htm

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... and more statistics....

Biblical conservatives would attribute more veracity to the report in Acts 2. There the writer of Acts claimed that 3,000 Jews, augmenting the existing 500 first Christians, became Judeo-Christians on Pentecost in CE 30. Projections based upon Gilbert’s population estimates, where presumably up to 50% of the empire’s population of Jewish stock had become Christians by CE 300, would require a 28.4% per decade growth rate assuming an initial Christian population as 3,500 in CE 30. Only an exhausted recruitment pool of Jews would have remained by CE 300 as the population would have been fished out. Any projection beyond a 3 million upper limit would be far too speculative.

Assuming, for purposes arguendo, an initial Judeo-Christian population of 3,500 in CE 30, and a growth rate of 33.3% per decade, the total population of Christians in the world would be 34.5 million in CE 350. This figure is consistent with Stark’s hypothesis that 56.5% of the Roman population of 60 million, that is about 33,882,008 were Christians by CE 350 (Stark 1996:7-9). Population growth based on these presumptions are provided in Table 4, Growth Projection 2, which is a projection for all Christians in the world.
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Source: http://www.bibarch.com/The%20First%20Ch ... onWrld.htm

Index: http://www.bibarch.com/The%20First%20Ch ... _home.html

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forget

Forget who converted when and how. Take the bible and just read it. None of the passages that are linked with the prophecy of Jesus are actually prophecies if you read more than the often quoted passage. All of the Messianic prophecies are very clear to read and easily understood to be a prophecy and Jesus did not fulfill them. As to Jews converting several hundred years later what does that prove? Believing doesn't make something true.
 
reznwerks: Forget who converted when and how.

Gary: Why? Because it does not fit your argument?

reznwerks: As to Jews converting several hundred years later what does that prove?

Gary: As to Jews NOT converting thousands of years later (as per all of Quath's quotes), what does that prove? See how silly your logic is?

The facts remain. The majority of Christians for the first 300 years were converted Jews. Neither your faulty logic nor Quath's posts prove otherwise.

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Gary_Bee said:
As to Jews NOT converting thousands of years later (as per all of Quath's quotes), what does that prove? See how silly your logic is?
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It shows a group of people that believe in your God, but find many faults with the claims of your religion. The Jews are arguing on the Christian level by showing that Jesus is a false messiah and they back it up with your Bible and history. You seek to ignore the importance of their rejection and instead of focus on side issues.

Quath
 
The facts remain. The majority of Christians for the first 300 years were converted Jews.

Did some Jews reject the Messiah? Yes. Do Jews today reject the Messiah? Yes. Do some Jews today accept Jesus as the Messiah? Yes. http://www.jewsforjesus.org

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The facts remain. The majority of Christians for the first 300 years were converted Jews.
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Fine, but that was only a miniscule part of the question. The crux of it is found on the site Quath and rezn posted. The point on the demographics of early Christians is hardly relevant.
 
Gary: The facts remain.
The majority of Christians for the first 300 years were converted Jews.

Chupacabra: Fine....

Gary: At least you now admit the facts. Thanks.

Chupacabra:..., but that was only a miniscule part of the question. The crux of it is found on the site Quath and rezn posted. The point on the demographics of early Christians is hardly relevant.

Gary: Oh.... so the first 300 years of the new religion
(the majority of which consists of converted Jews) is not relevant?
How so? Does that not show that a large numbers of Jews believed the Apostles (all Jews)
and the New Testament (8 of the authors were Jews)?
So the claim that all the Jews rejected Jesus is incorrect.

Not all Jews rejected the Messiah as Acts 1-11 and the demographics of the early Christians shows.
http://www.bibarch.com/The%20First%20Ch ... RomWld.htm
http://www.bibarch.com/The%20First%20Ch ... onWrld.htm

Obviously, many millions of the Christians today are descendants of those converted Jews!

Neither do all Jews reject the Messiah today.
http://www.jewsforjesus.org
http://www.jfjonline.org/witness/jewish.htm
http://www.messianic.com/top/index.htm

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http://www.messianic.com/top/index.htm
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The vast majority of so-called Jews in this world do not follow the writings of their own prophets.

The vast majority of so-called Jews do not practice the teachings of Moses!

So why should I take any notice of such people?
 
evanman said:
So why should I take any notice of such people?
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Don't notice the people, just notice the points they make. It seems that Christians would rather attack the messenger instead of the message.

Quath
 
Oh.... so the first 300 years of the new religion
(the majority of which consists of converted Jews) is not relevant?
How so? Does that not show that a large numbers of Jews believed the Apostles (all Jews)
and the New Testament (8 of the authors were Jews)?
So the claim that all the Jews rejected Jesus is incorrect.
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First, while most early Christians were Jews, most Jews were not Christians following Jesus's death. Second it indeed is not relevant in the least. The reasons for Jews who did not convert as seen on the site Quath posted seem pretty solid to me and you've yet to refute them and have quite cleverly been dodging them by focusing only on this small section of the issue at hand.
 
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