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So,,TrickorTreatIsSatanic?

JimJib said:
For anyone interested the video "Holloween: Trick or treat?" which I alluded to it is available in DVD and you can see quite a bit for free at this site: http://www.christianfilmdatabase.com/review/halloween-trick-or-treat/
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Ok, wow, I just watched the video and now I'm really convinced that this is a bunch of hoey.

Witch has several different meanings depending on the religion. Many Ancient European and Asian religions have Shamans and "witches" in them, but are not linked to Christianity.

The Druids where destroy well before even the Roman empire even came into power. The video shows random clips from several different pagan ceremonies from Nordic, Old English, Wiccan, etc.

Its flashy editing but nothing really informative, just shock and ah.
 
JimJib said:
Meatballsub, You only saw a few minutes of exerts from about an hour long documentary. You really have no basis for the accusations you make.

Any factual substantiation for your musings?
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I've asked you to be specific on exactly what you want me to back up. I don't feel like wasting my time corralling sources if you don't want them. I'll make it quite blunt, I've been in youth groups that have pulled the same tactics and I have done research on many claims of the FoF people and even have read up ( especially reading the holy texts and philosophical texts) of other religions and philosophies many groups depend on their audience being ignorant about. I've taken College Level sociology, biology, philosophy, psychology, and history classes. I've also been a member of every library I've ever been neer and abuse the heck out of the Ibook Store and Kindle Store since both have tons of free books at my disposal. Yeah, university makes you take a lot of classes.

I'm an open minded person to a lot of things ( which is why I discuss religion, science, ethics, and politics on this and a few other boards).

I'm not attacking you and I don't want you to think that this is a personal assault. I'm just giving you a heads up on an organization that is not truthful and some basic information that they hope you are ignorant of. That is it.

peace dude.
 
Every year another thread pops up about the pagan origin of Halloween. The theme of the thread is it should be avoided (to which I agree). But that being said, can't wait for Christmas. :lol hint: whether one is right or wrong, at least stay consistent.
 
Halloween to me is a time for unselfish giving to others in the form of candy or treats. It always makes me happy to see the kids smile when the candy bar drops into their bag. Most churches do "trunk or treat" from their cars, giving anything from food, clothing, hygiene products etc. Everything can be used for good or evil, it is a choice!!
 
Well I dont know of any biblical law against tricksortreats but I am aware of the Second Commandment, which do you think is more important?
 
tim-from-pa said:
I think Halloween is an opportunity for the church to get something right. They can celebrate their harvest festival one month before Halloween --- it's called the feast of Tabernacles. Not only will they beat the world one month ahead of things, but an opportunity to celebrate a real harvest rich with the gospel of the Kingdom. While they are at it, they can also take note that's probably when Christ was born (c.f. John 1:14) and celebrate that, too. Then we get two commercial holidays off our list.

Of course kids may like to dress up at Halloween if they been exposed to that. No problem. They can "camp out" in a Tabernacle booth they help make. I can't imagine that being any less fun than dressing up in a stupid costume for a night. And it will teach them as well. I think the Lord's ways are indeed joyous.
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That would be fun
 
Hitch said:
Well I dont know of any biblical law against tricksortreats but I am aware of the Second Commandment, which do you think is more important?
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There are scriptures all over the place in the Bible, but now that its over, no need to get into that.
 
I read that trick or treat was started by the Boy Scouts, actually. To keep the kids from playing pranks on people during Halloween.
Not trying to start an argument or anything. ^^; Like I said, I don't celebrate Halloween. I am beginning to really question some of the things I used to believe about it's origins, though. Quite a bit of conflicting information.

At my house, we would give out candy and Gospel tracts to trick or treaters. But no one comes to our house for that these days because we're quite a ways back from the road.
 
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In Australia as I was growing up,we never had Halloween, It was something the "Americans" did. With globalization,it is now celebrated as a fun event for kids and adults alike with no consideration of it's "undertones'
Similarly , here in Thailand it is now a big thing, with huge parties (mainly for adults and Uni students) they approach it with childlike enthusiasm as a chance to dress up and escape the day today rigours of study and work. Being mostly Buddhist, they dont have the same concept of good and evil as Christians so it is just that. An escape from routine.
Once again as with many things, such as tattoos,heavy metal music, rap music, horror movies etc. it must come down to what is in your heart! If you celebrate Halloween as the worship of evil in carnate you are sinning against our Lord.If you are simply letting off steam / letting your hair down with no sinful intention where is the harm?
Something to consider... If a church put's on a play showing the devils attempted temptation of Jesus, is the actor who plays the devil a satanist or sinning? No?...well isn't it the same thing under a different banner?
Just my opinion no offense intended
 
Corey said:
Very cool.

THere is nothing satonic about dressing up and going door to door to get treats.
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How can parents allow their children to go door to door. What if someone molests them. I am amazed at the kind of parents who seem to think that this is a fun custom. With the molestations and kidnappings going on this is one custom I would hate to be involved in.
 
JimJib said:
That is just the tip of the iceberg, abide. Psychopaths out there put razor blades in things like apples, drop LSD/METH/whaterver on candy, and on and on. And parents take them to these unknown people to be poisoned and have their lips and tongues slashed open.
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Has there ever been a real and confirmed incident of something like this? Because that really sounds like a mix of urban legend and horror movie story.
 
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Claudya said:
Has there ever been a real and confirmed incident of something like this? Because that really sounds like a mix of urban legend and horror movie story.
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Do you know the state of mind of the people the children will be seeing? Families molest children, don't you think that there are child molesters and sickos who would harm children.
 
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Claudya said:
Has there ever been a real and confirmed incident of something like this? Because that really sounds like a mix of urban legend and horror movie story.
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A confirmed instance of a razor blade in the candy? Yes. Likely many confirmed instances around the world. There was one that made the news here just this Halloween.
 
abide said:
Do you know the state of mind of the people the children will be seeing? Families molest children, don't you think that there are child molesters and sickos who would harm children.
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Unfortunately there are, but not only on Halloween.
If there's so much reason to fear you'd have to lock your kids in at home for the whole year.

Free said:
A confirmed instance of a razor blade in the candy? Yes. Likely many confirmed instances around the world. There was one that made the news here just this Halloween.
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I only ever heard of razors in apples as either a scary halloween myths (because Halloween has to be scary, so people tell horror stories to each other) or as a result of pranks that were meant to frighten someone but not to seriously injure them....
But I guess you will never know what crazy ideas people come up with and even harmless pranks can end in disasters. I just wouldn't want to live in fear like that. I wouldn't want to teach my kids to distrust everyone.
 
Claudya said:
I only ever heard of razors in apples as either a scary halloween myths (because Halloween has to be scary, so people tell horror stories to each other) or as a result of pranks that were meant to frighten someone but not to seriously injure them....
But I guess you will never know what crazy ideas people come up with and even harmless pranks can end in disasters. I just wouldn't want to live in fear like that. I wouldn't want to teach my kids to distrust everyone.
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Not to get off topic, but in my city a couple of years ago, someone kept putting pins and sharp metal objects in foods (mostly cheese, iirc) at a local grocery store over a period of a few weeks. Eventually they caught the woman doing it. There really are sick people out there who want to hurt people and don't care who it is.
 
As a parent, I would have to say that if we had halloween in Oz when my kids were growing up, I would have done the resposible thing and gone with them as they went door to door. NOT allowed them to go by themselves.
Unfortunately the times we live in are very dark with many dark-hearted people out there, but Praise Jesus they are still the minority.
And i'll probably get into trouble for saying this but...there have also been many instances of child molestation, injury in safe environments such as Churches by church elders etc, so there is danger everywhere. We can only protect our kids so much. A "bubble wrap"approach is no alternative to being an aware and vigilant parent who, allows their child tobe a child while ensuring their safety.

Back to thread topic, how many Christians allow their children to participate in Easter egg hunts etc? Easter eggs are a hand me down from pagans as part of fertility rites / rituals. It wasn't until much later that someone in authority decided the eggs represented the stone rolled from the entrance of the Tomb where HIS mortal remains had been placed.
 
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