Socalism & Christianity, a perfect match or a complete clash of ideologies?

[Jaxyy]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

 

[Milk-Drops]

Maybe along the lines of Bernstien, but not Marx based. Marx was very Anti Religion.

 

[jasonc]

Charity at gun point ?

 

[miamited]

Hi Jaxyy

I rather think of our eternal life as being one with a fairly 'socialist' dogma among those who gain the promise of God. However, I don't think it will be seen as 'charity at gun point', because all will be in agreement that we all want to do ALWAYS what is best for the body.

God bless,
Ted

 

[jasonc]

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Hi Jaxyy

I rather think of our eternal life as being one with a fairly 'socialist' dogma among those who gain the promise of God. However, I don't think it will be seen as 'charity at gun point', because all will be in agreement that we all want to do ALWAYS what is best for the body.

God bless,
Ted

Socialism doesn't carry this

I quote Paul ,if mam don't work he don't eat .

Did the church feed the working man then ?
No and yet in America we have overweight Americans collecting food stamps .since the op said.

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

Charity at gun point ?

Take any threat away of jail and or death and we'll God gives decictions on helping the poor ?

Anything that requires a govt must also use deadly force to enforce .

A Christian socialist must then logically being willing to make the reciever repent .what Good is for a soul to enter hell with a full belly ?

Per govt law ,as my pastor ignores it and the elders support it.you Can't mention any religious things when giving out food.they insert pray cards,Bible verses,tracts into food donations boxes.

So no,I don't mind if a church does help the poor sadly we don't but the state simply wouldn't allow the gospel to be spread and a compromise too great for me will happen ,seen it .

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

The system is broken.

I work and esrn a dollar and freely give from my own pocket, i might fund another 10 counciling sessions this week so someone don't have to wait a year to recieve the help they desperately need through the broken system.

 

[miamited]

HI jasonc

I quote Paul ,if mam don't work he don't eat .

For the record, socialism has nothing to do with whether or not the people under such a system will work or not. However, to be honest, the proper definition of socialism isn't really what I think it will be like, I really just men that it will be a society where everyone does and accepts what's best for the whole and not any particular individual. That's not really the full and complete definition of socialism which is why I couched my approval with the words ' fairly socialistic'.

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

Socialism doesn't have anything to do with caring for others. It's about equity or what I call the "Robin Hood" syndrome and I know of nowhere in Scripture where it says it is our duty to take from one and give to another. Greed is sinful and Socialism forces everyone, even those who are not willing supporters, to hand over everything they have to the state. What Scripture does teach is that each one of us individually is to care for the other. That's something entirely different. So no, I do not believe Socialism is supported by Scritpture.

 

[hawkman]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

Why don't we ask Karl Marx ? He may not have been a Christian but he had an opinion .

“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.”
Karl Marx, German German philosopher and socialist revolutionary (1818-1883)

It comes down to this . Do you trust in the state or do you trust in God ?

 

[jasonc]

HI jasonc

For the record, socialism has nothing to do with whether or not the people under such a system will work or not. However, to be honest, the proper definition of socialism isn't really what I think it will be like, I really just men that it will be a society where everyone does and accepts what's best for the whole and not any particular individual. That's not really the full and complete definition of socialism which is why I couched my approval with the words ' fairly socialistic'.

God bless,
Ted

That's not socialism .

Socialism is the means where by the state owns the means and production .

People in your view live in communes .surely you met those I did ,ft Pierce had a few .rich kids deciding who can live with them and decided based on your skill set .

 

[miamited]

Hi WIP

It's about equity or what I call the "Robin Hood" syndrome and I know of nowhere in Scripture where it says it is our duty to take from one and give to another.

That's right. No one had to 'take from one and give to another'. The early church just did it without having to be told.

The disciples, as each one was able, decided to provide help for the brothers and sisters living in Judea.
They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

Let me repeat. I believe that in the eternal life, we will all live just as those were living when the early church was being created.

God bless,
Ted

 

[dwb001]

I, myself, am a socalist and have been for many many years and firmly believe that a more socalist society would be better then the current one. Since I have started to study the Bible, I personally believe the Bible renforces my ideas of socalism as it talks about caring for one another, loving one another and helping out those who are less fourtante.

I was just wondering what other Christians would think of this paring?

So lets take an example from the Bible in which the Apostle confirms the validity of private property, ownership and self determination.

Acts 5
1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God.

 

[WIP]

Hi WIP

That's right. No one had to 'take from one and give to another'. The early church just did it without having to be told.

The disciples, as each one was able, decided to provide help for the brothers and sisters living in Judea.
They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

Let me repeat. I believe that in the eternal life, we will all live just as those were living when the early church was being created.

God bless,
Ted

Yes, they chose to live with each other that way. Of course, it would appear it didn't last long. Probably because in a very short time some began to feel like some were riding the coattails of the rest or perhaps some were unfairly receiving benefits more than others and so forth.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, they chose to live with each other that way. Of course, it would appear it didn't last long. Probably because in a very short time some began to feel like some were riding the coattails of the rest or perhaps some were unfairly receiving benefits more than others and so forth.

Or God moved them along .

A bunch of self sufficient Christian commune ,I find that problematic

 

[Milk-Drops]

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Socialism doesn't carry this

I quote Paul ,if mam don't work he don't eat .

Did the church feed the working man then ?
No and yet in America we have overweight Americans collecting food stamps .since the op said.




Take any threat away of jail and or death and we'll God gives decictions on helping the poor ?

Anything that requires a govt must also use deadly force to enforce .

A Christian socialist must then logically being willing to make the reciever repent .what Good is for a soul to enter hell with a full belly ?

Per govt law ,as my pastor ignores it and the elders support it.you Can't mention any religious things when giving out food.they insert pray cards,Bible verses,tracts into food donations boxes.

So no,I don't mind if a church does help the poor sadly we don't but the state simply wouldn't allow the gospel to be spread and a compromise too great for me will happen ,seen it .

I think if a look at a more libertarian form of Socialism Christianity could fit. Anything involving a vanguard is a no go. Especially in the US.

 

[miamited]

Yes, they chose to live with each other that way. Of course, it would appear it didn't last long. Probably because in a very short time some began to feel like some were riding the coattails of the rest or perhaps some were unfairly receiving benefits more than others and so forth.

Hi WIP

Well, that's always been the way it is with the things of God. God created Adam and Eve and began a relationship with them that was fairly quickly destroyed, although we don't know exactly how long it was, it was most certainly less than 130 years of the earth's existence. Then He brought on the flood and started all over with Noah's family, and it wasn't but a few hundred years, at the most, before men lost the relationship with God that Noah had had. Then God gathered His people together and made himself known to His people in Egypt and carried them out by performing great miracles. It was only a matter of, at most, a couple of years, and they had built a golden calf.

Man has always, always, always been prone to deny who God is. So, to your complaint that this attitude of giving didn't last very long, I would absolutely agree. However, that isn't any kind of proof that it wasn't what God expected of them. When I read Paul's account of these things he does seem to be speaking in a pretty positive attitude about it.

God bless,
Ted

 

[jasonc]

I think if a look at a more libertarian form of Socialism Christianity could fit. Anything involving a vanguard is a no go. Especially in the US.

That there was a few of these one in my county.another far older both having problems ,one failed ,the other was closed to the public and now open ,borderline cult .


The older one is a start park .

Let me dig it's story

 

[jasonc]

That there was a few of these one in my county.another far older both having problems ,one failed ,the other was closed to the public and now open ,borderline cult .


The older one is a start park .

Let me dig it's story

Friends of Koreshan State Park Inc - Koreshan State Park History

 

[WIP]

Hi WIP

Well, that's always been the way it is with the things of God. God created Adam and Eve and began a relationship with them that was fairly quickly destroyed, although we don't know exactly how long it was, it was most certainly less than 130 years of the earth's existence. Then He brought on the flood and started all over with Noah's family, and it wasn't but a few hundred years, at the most, before men lost the relationship with God that Noah had had. Then God gathered His people together and made himself known to His people in Egypt and carried them out by performing great miracles. It was only a matter of, at most, a couple of years, and they had built a golden calf.

Man has always, always, always been prone to deny who God is. So, to your complaint that this attitude of giving didn't last very long, I would absolutely agree. However, that isn't any kind of proof that it wasn't what God expected of them. When I read Paul's account of these things he does seem to be speaking in a pretty positive attitude about it.

God bless,
Ted

I didn't offer it as proof against God's intent. I was demonstrating how much of a lost cause the concept of Socialism is and how human nature just doesn't work that way, even then.

 

[miamited]

I didn't offer it as proof against God's intent. I was demonstrating how much of a lost cause the concept of Socialism is and how human nature just doesn't work that way, even then.

Hi WIP

Oh, sorry. However, I'm not sure that it's clear to you that the reason that human nature as you know it today, doesn't work that way, is because we all...each and every one of us, is living with the fallen nature of sin still living in us.

However, there are a lot of christian organizations that do this today among the fellowship to some extent and will even extend it out to people outside of the body. So, I'm pretty sure that this jaded view we have of humanity and it's lack of ability to treat others with mercy and compassion will change pretty drastically in the eternal life.

We'll see.

God bless,
Ted