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Some reasons Christians should oppose Christmas

RED BEETLE said:
As a Christian, specifically a Calvinist, I am openly opposed to Christmas. Let me briefly explain why.....
I do not recognize Christmas, for I am not Roman Catholic. Christmas is a Roman Catholic Holy-day (holiday).


Gee, RED, I am not a Roman Catholic, and I celebrate Christmas. I simply love the Lord, and I love the story of His birth. I figure if people can celebrate their own birth, if people can jump up and down and scream cause someone throws a ball really good or plays a guitar, then I can hang some lights, sing some songs, and celebrate the birth of the Lord.

It is a great witness tool to let people know that Christmas is about Jesus.
Lets not throw this baby out with the bathwater.
 
Hey! I play guitar and no one is jumping up and down or screaming...


unless I'm playing too loud! LOL
 
I'm for CHRISTmas

I love the C'mas season, even tho' it's full of commercialism. X'ns can still hold the birth of our Lord holy and share it with others.

Check out the Christmas traditions at the Kingdom Life forum: http://kingdomlife.hyperboards.com

Kingdom Life :: Family :: Activities Together :: Share your Christmastime traditions


Love & blessings, Lisa
 
Christmas wasn't celebrated in this country till the mid 1800's.
Keep that in mind the next time you hear someone say, "I wish people today would realize that the U.S. was founded on Christianity."

This country's beginnings were possible only because of the Puritans, the Dutch Reformed, and the mass Calvinist conversion throughout the Colonies known as the Great Awakening. This Calvinist Spiritual Awakening gave the majority of people in the Colonies a common theological ground which prepared them to resist monarchy by "divine right" in favor of a democratic-republican government which is by and for the people. Our representative government does not resemble congregationalism nor the prelacy of the Roman Catholic / Anglican ecclesiastical government, but it closely resembles the Presbyterian (Calvinist) form of church government. This is because men like Patrick Henry and John Adams were Presbyterians. Even Deists like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were heavily influenced by Calvinism. Franklin actually went to hear George Whitefield preach and ended up supporting his ministry to the orphans in the Colony of Georgia.

The Great Awakening was primarily preached by two men, both Calvinists. The first was Puritan Jonathon Edwards. He was also one of the early presidents of Princeton University (back when it was a Christian school). Jonathon Edwards understanding of Scripture goes far beyond that of today's so called "evangelicals" such as Billy Graham or Jerry Falwell. Compare some of Edwards' sermons, all of which are available online, to your own minister's sermons. Then, when you are finished, ask yourself, "How is it that men in the 18th century had a far greater knowledge of Scripture with such limited technology and financial power, whereas men today with all of their seminaries and the internet are little more than watered down Sunday school teachers.

The other preacher of the Great Awakening I have already mentioned. He was the great Calvinist preacher George Whitefield. This man often warned the people of the Colonies to beware of the Church of England's political theory of the day. Although at one time very Calvinistic, it had strayed into Arminianism and was favoring a soteriology and political theory closer to Roman Catholicism, than Protestantism. Whitefield was one of the founding fathers of the Methodists.

Christmas was rarely celebrated in those days, yet the average person then new 10 times more of Scripture than the average person of today. The people then new that Scripture commands us to celebrate the birth of Christ not once a year, but once a week! They celebrated the advent of Christ publicly every Lord's Day. Since they were not Catholic, they left Christ-mass to the few Catholics who might still be found in Maryland.

I have met kids in Universities who claim to have never read one verse of Scripture, but never missed a Christmas with their family. One of our teachers, an atheist, was so shocked by this girl's confession of this fact that he gave her a Bible the next class for free and bid her to read it. The atheist even professed that a person could not understand Western thought correctly without having read the one book which has influenced this nation the most. The real kicker is that we were at a university in the heart of the "Bible belt!"

Christmas has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but is the product of Roman Catholic superstition.

Oh, the 2nd commandment forbids nativity scenes, for we are not to make an image of God. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore we are not to make images of Him. Not even cute little baby ones.

Sola Fide
Red Beetle
 
I love Christmas, and its a great witness when people ask 'what are you doing over christmas' to tell them about things your church is getting up to.

My church went out on a late night shopping evening in town giving out mince pies as presents to the town from church. We also gave them a flyer about all that we are getting up to. People were very enthusiastic so am praying some will come to one of our services and learn the real story.
 
RED BEETLE said:
Oh, the 2nd commandment forbids nativity scenes, for we are not to make an image of God. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore we are not to make images of Him. Not even cute little baby ones.

Hey RED BEET

When did the nativity scene become an idol?
 
mutzrein said:
Hey RED BEET

When did the nativity scene become an idol?

mutzrein,
it has alway been a transgression to make an image of God. Exodus 20:4; Exodus 32:5,8; Deuteronomy 4:15-19; Deuteronomy 11:31-31.
The Westminster Shorter Catechism correctly states, "The Second Commandment forbids the worshipping of God by images, or any other way not appointed in His Word. (W.S.C. Q+A 51)

No wonder the Gospels, nor any of the Epistles ever describe what Jesus looks like.
Scripture puts the emphasis on the written Word, never on sensations.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Red Beetle
 
Nice essay RED(I notice you do a lot of them), but I'm still going to celebrate Christmas. I'm basically doing what Gabbylittleangel is doing. Actually my family and I are getting a birthday cake and singing happy birthday on Christmas Day :-D (Even though some say he was born in the summer time, so I guess this is a late birthday party ;-) ).
 
Hi Red Beetle,

Your essay seemed to be saying that even though you oppose Christmas (which is very unpopular with Christians) that you do not mind if others celebrate the day, or say, "Merry Christmas" because you are a proponent of free speech. And that both of these decisions are based on your own religious beliefs, and theology.

Our family also chooses to not honor December 25, or have images of God (which is very hard because pictures of Christ are in lots of books). We do not neglect to honor His coming another time, but in a different manner, and with different emphasis. Anyway, I appreciate your essay, and that you have considered the matter. Oh, and I also agree that communion is most important, and so beautiful.

I think you may find that some believers may feel you are being legalistic, or judgemental, to say such things, but of course to judge others for not doing these things may be legalistic as well. Some will be offended, and give you a tongue lashing, because you do not celebrate Christmas...as if God commanded it, and you are breaking His command. I have some that tell me every year what all the symbols of Christmas are, and extend their regret for our family that we do not honor December 25. I have come to know who they are now, and am able to smile, and move through it lovingly...though, I admit I would cry over such things in those beginning days. With each year, and as my children grow older, I am more inclined to be a bit more outspoke about it because of the legalism that would pressure other believers to keep such a day, and mark them as near "blasphemers" if they don't. But, I pray for all of us as a church that in our own convictions, we are more and more able to be graceful and loving in our disagreements with others, and just have a response of love.

On the other hand, I think it is important that if you do not honor December 25 that you do not judge those who do. I am trying to instill this in my children as well, which can prove to be difficult when people are constantly shaming us, and saying to my children that they are sorry for them...as if they are missing out. I use to want to reciprocate with reasons not to celebrate it, but I do not think it would have been loving, nor would it glorify God...this would work against our efforts to honor Him, really. It takes prayer, ultimately. It took prayer to follow God's leading in not celebrating the day, and every year we must ask God to help us not be angry, or offended, by the words, and actions, of our brothers and sisters because of our obedience to Him. We must give Him control over our responses as well.

To my brothers and sisters who celebrate December 25 as Christmas, I do not judge you, but I would ask you to consider that some of your very own brothers and sisters have been led by the Holy Spirit to not honor the day. We have prayed, struggled, and obeyed. Please believe, and understand, that we have not come to the decision lightly, and that it was difficult to pull our families out of it, and into a position where they are sometimes considered outcasts even among those who share Christ. Christmas has not been commanded to us to celebrate, and we should not treat others as if they must honor the day, or that they are somehow less. I would like to encourage you, that if you know someone in your church that does not celebrate the day, to encourage them in their efforts to obey God, and extend grace to them because of Christ, even if you do not agree.

Red, my prayers go with you as you go on to raise a family up with these convictions. I pray God give you strength to pave the way for them in obedience to Him, and sometimes your greatest struggles will be found among your own brothers in Christ...which I guess all of us have in some area or another...not just those who don't celebrate Christmas. I challenge you to love them in your response, and not judge them, but be as gracious and understanding as God allows you to be. The Lord bless you, all of you.
 
Lovely,
I do mind that others celebrate Christmas. I am never tired of explaining to evangelicals just how many Protestants were put to death by the Roman Catholic Church-state for not celebrating the blasphemous Mass. Many of men and women were burned alive, Thomas Moore burned little children in England, for rejecting to celebrate the Mass. People need to remember this the next time they wish to celebrate Christ-mass.

As for Free Speech, let me clarify. The government should not pass any law forbidding free speech. If you want to say, "Merry Christmas", although this may offend some, no law should ever be passed forbidding people from saying this. Jewish people may be offended, but that is the cost of living in a free society based on the Protestant Reformation. If people want to live in a police state where specific speech will get you imprisoned or killed, then I suggest that people move to a Islamic or Catholic nation where such civil and religious liberties are forbidden.

One of the more recent examples of this was the pop-star Madonna who wanted to present herself as being crucified in a show in Italy. Italy, who agreed to have Roman Catholicism to be the official religion when they signed the Lateran Agreement with fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, wasted no time threatening Madonna and warning her not to do that when she was in Italy. Roman Catholic Canon Law 1369 forbids any critical or blasphemous language against the Catholic Church. Italy was just being consistent with their religious Catholic principles. Islam and Catholicism both have religious principles which produce fascist governments which limit or attack civil liberties. Only those nations which embraced the Protestant Reformation went on to develop civil liberties and separation of church and state.

Although I am not Catholic, I would not hesitate to defend a Catholic from having his free speech limited by the U.S. government. Those who believe the truth do not have to hide, and they do not have to appeal or resort to government censorship to silence their opposition. The truth of Scripture should not be hid, and it cannot be stopped by fascist governments. God is sovereign. Thank God our government protects the unalienable right of people to disagree with me. If this protection of free speech disappears, then you will know that we have returned to the Dark Ages.

RB
 
...Some will be offended, and give you a tongue lashing, because you do not celebrate Christmas...as if God commanded it, and you are breaking His command. I have some that tell me every year what all the symbols of Christmas are, and extend their regret for our family that we do not honor December 25....

Lovely, what can I say except I truely admire your convictions. Now, I'm not so concerned over nativity scenes as much as I am over the whole secular symbolism mindset.

I do want to close with Scripture, so:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

and:

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

*gets pushed off, I mean, falls of soapbox*
 
Red, you wrote...

Lovely,
I do mind that others celebrate Christmas. I am never tired of explaining to evangelicals just how many Protestants were put to death by the Roman Catholic Church-state for not celebrating the blasphemous Mass. Many of men and women were burned alive, Thomas Moore burned little children in England, for rejecting to celebrate the Mass. People need to remember this the next time they wish to celebrate Christ-mass.

I understand this, though It is not the reason that we do not celebrate the day. I mean, you could make the same argument about the Trinity, and there are people here who do. Is the Trinity wrong just because the Catholic church believes in it, or has killed those who didn't?

I would also like to see other believers come to see things as our family does in this area, but I can not mandate my own convictions...and this is where we differ maybe. I think the Holy Spirit must teach believers, ultimately, and it is up to me to extend grace and love in my responses, while remaining truthful. I do agree that we should not make images of God...this, I pretty much just think is an absolute, and it does offend me in the sense that God is not being obeyed, and that many may be in error on the matter...this could be a topic for a whole new thread. But, honoring December 25 as Christmas would not fall into that category. I have friends who honor the day apart from all the secular things, and essentially redeem the day for God...I think they are free to do so, as God leads them, as long as they are not breaking God's commands.

Anyway, I did misunderstand your essay, because I thought you were not offended. I think we agree to a point, though our reasons, and method, may be slightly different. I appreciate the thread none the less. The Lord bless you.

Vic,

Lovely, what can I say except I truely admire your convictions. Now, I'm not so concerned over nativity scenes as much as I am over the whole secular symbolism mindset.

Vic, they both bother me, and as I said before I think you and I have a similar view on this whole matter, and it's nice to not be alone...though, I would still adhere either way. I think those verse are very fitting. The Lord bless you, Vic.
 
lovely said:
I do agree that we should not make images of God.

What we should not do is create graven images (idols) to worship.

WE are made in the image of God, are we not? Should we ban all photos and paintings of ourselves?

Nativity scenes, unless they are worshiped, rather than worshiping God, are, like Christmas, a commemoration of one of the greatest events of all time.
 
RED BEETLE said:
Christmas wasn't celebrated in this country till the mid 1800's.
Keep that in mind the next time you hear someone say, "I wish people today would realize that the U.S. was founded on Christianity."

That C'mas wasn't celebrated as we know it today has nothing to do with how or why our country was founded. I prayerfully request you look up David Barton's texts about our fair country and its birth.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/

Look for the book - "Original Intent"

"In Original Intent: The Courts, the Constitution, & Religion, discover how the United States Supreme Court has reinterpreted the Constitution, diluting the Biblical foundations upon which it was based. Filled with hundreds of the Founders’ quotes revealing their beliefs on the role of religion in public affairs, the proper role of the courts, the intended limited scope of federal powers. States’ rights, and numerous other current issues."

In the book, Barton shows how much of our founding was based on Christian principles.

With love and respect,
~~Lisa :D
 
Hi Christian soldier,

What we should not do is create graven images (idols) to worship.

WE are made in the image of God, are we not? Should we ban all photos and paintings of ourselves?

Nativity scenes, unless they are worshiped, rather than worshiping God, are, like Christmas, a commemoration of one of the greatest events of all time.

Christian soldier, I can not agree with you. I do not believe that we should make images of God. The first four commandments speak to how man should relate to God. 1. No other God's before Him. 2. No graven images of Him, of anything in Heaven, or on Earth, or in the Sea. 3. Not taking His name in vain. 4. Honoring His Sabbath. Neither the Nativity scene, nor Christmas, were given to us to commemorate Christ...the communion was, "This do in remembrance of me." I don't want to hijack this thread, and so I will simply say that I do not agree with you on this matter, and I want to honor God in this. It's obvious we don't agree, no sense in dragging it out. The Lord bless you.
 
I don't honor December the 25th as His birthday. Because I know that that was not Hid birthday. But giving Him a special day is ok' even though everyday is His day. I like the lights and the Christmas tree. I don't worship the tree' like in Jer 10' and I know the orgin of the tree' and I know why and how the Catholics brought this to be.
 
Lovely,
The main reason I oppose Christmas is because of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the mass. You may need to study why Protestants object to the mass to get a better understanding of my position. A good place to start would be the Heidelberg Catechism, Lord's Days 28,29, and 30 (questions and answers 75-82). Let me give you a link to the Heidelberg Catechism. This link is found on the Protestant Reformed Churches website. They are sound Dutch Calvinists. If you have time then I would encourage you to browse through their other on-line literature and even listen to some of their uploaded sermons. Here is the link:
http://www.prca.org/literature.html

The fact that the Catholic hierarchy have murdered over the mass is a subordinate reason to oppose Christmass, but still a good one. The main reason is that the mass is not Biblical. The Bible teaches that Christ died once for the sins of the elect. Christ said, "It is finished." This indicative statement contradicts the mass which teaches that the priest, by saying some words in latin, transforms the bread and wine into the actual body and blood of Christ, then sacrifices Christ again for the sins of the entire world. The mass teaches that Christ must be continually sacrificed, while Scripture teaches that Christ was sacrificed once.

Here is a couple of good quotes from Thomas Jefferson on being offended or disagreeing with someone, yet protecting people's free speech:

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion without imputing to them criminality."
Jefferson to Abigail Adams, September 11, 1804

"Difference in opinion leads to inquiry, and inquiry to truth; and that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves."
Jefferson to P.H. Wendover, March 13, 1815

Jefferson, a deist, did understand the importance of free speech, though he was sadly not a Christian.

R.B.
 
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